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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2010, 08:55:51 PM »
Yep I work in an electronic plantation.  No leisure time for me.
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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2010, 08:50:02 PM »
A-ha!  Finally, near the very end of the Salatin chapter, he goes into some specifics of essential fatty acids and livestock being fed corn or grass.  He even gets it right that grass-fed beef is better for you than corn-fed salmon.  Good jerb.


The "Forager" chapter has a bit of fuzziness that caught my attention, though.

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The prevailing theory as to why, as a species, we left off hunting and gathering is that we had ruined that perfectly good lifestyle by overdoing it, killing off the megafauna on which we depended.

Well, maybe.  It's certainly a lot easier to sustain a considerable population density and group size with hunting when you're the apex hunter, and that's a lot easier when you still have megafauna.  The problem is that it's relatively easy to wipe out all the giant predators (harder to kill an individual but easier to reduce the population to the breaking point) but much harder to wipe out all the smaller ones.  It's easier to wipe out all the grizzly bears in your area than all the wolves, much less all the coyotes.  And grizzly bears may take down bison, but wolves are less likely to, and coyotes generally won't even try.  But if the prey animal you depend on is deer, then the wolves and even coyotes may be competing with you directly.

And it takes a lot more rabbit-hunting, say, to support 200 people than bison-hunting.  But most cultures we know of, historically, wander into agriculture.  I think it's just a vicious cycle.  You start farming, and you settle down, and your population quickly expands.  And then you're locked into agriculture unless a lot of people leave or die.  And even if a lot of people do leave or die, odds are that the remaining population will keep farming.  You don't see many cultures go from agriculture back to hunting and gathering.

Of course, once you domesticate animals, you have to feed them, which is often the biggest part of agriculture.  Plains Indians, still living with selective megafauna (bison), were semi-farmers, in that their culture depended on staying with the herds.  They just didn't need to feed the bison (because they let them roam freely and followed them) and didn't need to protect them (because they'd killed off most of the major predators and, anyway, there were so many bison).  And the population stayed low enough that there were plenty of bison to go around.

If you look at the Maasai, they're slightly further along the agricultural curve -- they take ownership of herds but don't keep them in one place.  Instead, they follow the herd around, letting it graze as freely as possible.  As their population density has gone up in modern times, though, this lifestyle has become a lot more difficult . . . and they're killing off all the lions in their territory, having already killed a large proportion of them in earlier eras.

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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2010, 09:15:03 AM »
If you were like me as a kid, you picked the actual cereal out of a bowl of Lucky Charms or Frankenberry so there'd only be a bowl of delicious, crunchy cereal marshmallows remaining.

Well, pick no more.  Now you can buy cereal marshmallows wholesale.
 
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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2010, 09:28:29 AM »
OH DEAR GOD NOOOO!


Those horrible little things squeak on my teeth and make the hair stand up on the back of my neck.  :thumbsdn: :thumbsdn: :thumbsdn: :thumbsdn: and  :thumbsdn:
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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2010, 09:35:48 AM »
Yes!  What is that teeth-squeaking thing??  Augh!
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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2010, 09:53:49 AM »
:eek:

I knew you could buy cocoa-style 'petite marshmellows' in bags, but I never understood why actual mini-marshmellows (such as they are) weren't preferable.

We weren't allowed sugary cereals when I was a kid, and when we did get to have them (thank you, grandparents), we wanted Frosted Flakes or (ow ow ow) Captain Krunch.  Or the old Pink Panther cereal, mostly because we were big fans of the Panther.

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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2010, 01:20:59 PM »
Squeaking? Must be from the milk
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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2010, 01:30:22 PM »
Squeaking? Must be from the milk

Not exactly. It's the tiny mice they use. They come out of suspended animation when rehydrated with milk and squeak in tiny agony as you crush them. It's horrible. But not as horrible as Crunchberries. Those were like crystallized sugar-infused vomit molded into little spheres.

The only good thing about Crunchberries is they cured me of wanting sugared cereal, forever. EVER.

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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2010, 01:49:17 PM »
Tch.  Fairly gross, yes, but crunchberries aren't THAT bad.  Not as bad as most 'chocolate'-flavored cereals, for starters.

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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2010, 01:53:19 PM »
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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2010, 01:53:58 PM »
I bought some cocoa Krispies on a whim. They're okay. Not as chocolatey as I remember, but eeeeeeh.
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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2010, 01:58:13 PM »
Cocoa Pebbles > Cocoa Krispies

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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2010, 02:08:51 PM »
I have a horrible story relating to Froot Loops.  Have I already told that one a dozen times?

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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2010, 02:15:30 PM »
Froot Loops made my little brother hyper.  One of the artificial colors in there.  As a kid my favorite cereals were hot Grape Nuts and CW Post which was basically granola.  I never really dug the artificial chocolate or tiny fake marshmallow stuff.

My favorites now are Quaker Oat Squares and Cracklin' Oat Bran.  Great for swim meets.
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Re: Food and Gunk
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2010, 02:18:57 PM »
Oat bran, great for swim meets?

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