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Re: Commercials
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2007, 08:20:37 PM »
Whoa!  The hellniece got her shit together?  Good for her, but too bad for your repertoire of stories.
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Re: Commercials
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2007, 08:27:42 PM »
Whoa!  The hellniece got her shit together?  Good for her, but too bad for your repertoire of stories.

Seriously!  100+ posts from you and this is the first mention of this?
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Re: Commercials
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2007, 11:46:13 PM »
Craziness.  My hellniece was that bad, and worse, Soup -- and then, near her last year of college, she suddenly pulled her shit together, got a job, met a guy who didn't suck, subsequently got married, and became a pretty damned responsible person.  Bizarre, but it happens.  Apparently.  One can hope.

Anyway, don't apologize to me for a threadjack.  That doesn't even make sense.  If I jacked a few more threads, I'd have a full wardrobe.

Wait.... WHAT?



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Re: Commercials
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2007, 06:56:29 AM »
No, it's true.  She married the largest guy in Missouri, listens to 80s music, works at a crematorium, and makes rent payments.  She shows no signs of rocketing to the top, but it's an amazing and unforeseen turnaround.

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Re: Commercials
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2007, 08:39:18 AM »
That's just amazing. Well, hey, good for her.

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Re: Commercials
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2007, 09:49:41 AM »
Oh, she actually graduated from college, too.  I have no idea what her major was . . . one of those soft majors that you can parlay into a pre-law somewhere down the line, not that I think that will ever happen. 

Once she bought her own car . . . well, my brother paid for it, but she seems to believe, this time, that she won't get another one that way . . . so, once she had her own car, rather than one on permanent loan, she stopped smashing up cars.  I guess she pays her own insurance now.  That might be part of it.

It's continually amazing to me that someone could skate through so much trouble with zero consequences and still turn out OK that easily.  It kind of shakes your faith in the universe.

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Re: Commercials
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2007, 10:53:42 AM »
Sonic is all about the Tater Twats.

There is one around a mile and a half from here.

I go there frequently for lunch because Elliott likes sitting outside in their "picnic" area and watching stuff.
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Re: Commercials
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2007, 11:16:46 AM »
Gah!

Well if there's hope for the hellneice ... !
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Re: Commercials
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2007, 02:32:22 PM »
It's continually amazing to me that someone could skate through so much trouble with zero consequences and still turn out OK that easily.

It's because cops are too busy fucking with teenagers and black people (a.k.a. people who have no money to fight back) to actually do their jobs. By the time I was 20 I had probably been pulled over 50 times, and for no other reason than I looked like (and was) white trash.

You see, cops think in terms of what they can get away with, not in how to do their jobs without breaking the laws that are meant to restrain them. So if a white trash kid driving a 20yo piece of shit with a quarterpanel that's only primered and wearing a harley bandana goes driving by, they figure they can pull him over no problem. The legal reason doesn't matter, but it can be for any of twenty reasons they decide to use: swerving (might be drunk), didn't stop completely, took the turn too quick (wreckless driving), etc. But what matters is that when they get back to the station and the chief asks them why they pulled the guy over, they can simply justify it with a, "Chief, the kid looked like trouble." That is, if the chief even bothers to ask, or cares.

It's even easier if they find some drugs in the car. Once that happens they have carte blanche to do whatever they want. This means they can fuck with the person, even hit them, and the victim has no recourse. The victim simply has to stand there and take whatever they feel like doing, because it's the only chance to get out of trouble.

And if your response to this is, "Well, you shouldn't have let them search your car in the first place," that's completely unrealistic. The cops can search your car anytime they like and you have no way to stop them. When they ask if they can search you (if they ask), you can say no, but then you're hiding something. Then they call the dogs to scratch up your paint and your seats (and they intentionally let them). But really, they never need to call the dogs. Probable cause laws say that red eyes, the smell of pot smoke, you're acting slow and drugged are all good enough. And in practice, they can just say you had red eyes and there's almost no way you can refute this. But again, this is all about justification to their chief assuming he discourages this behavior, and if you take legal action, to a judge.

This is the ridiculousness of the drug laws, particularly the marijuana laws. It means anyone can get pulled over anytime because they simply, "looked stoned." Ever have red eyes when you wake up? That's probable cause. Not only can they pull you over, they can search your car. And really, you don't even need to have red eyes for them to do it, they just have to say you had red eyes.

And so you may say, "Well what if I have 3 people in the car with me and they all testify that I didn't have red eyes?" The judge might then believe you over the cop. You see, because they're all part of the justice system, judges have a serious tendency to believe cops over people. That's also because judges hear people using any and all manner of excuses to get out of tickets and trouble, so they're naturally skeptical of the people.

But there is the possibility the judge would believe you. And that possibility comes down to how respectable you and your 3 witnesses are. Are you dressed in nice clothes? Talk well and don't interrupt? Come in with a lawyer? All of those are considered signs of respect for the bench. All of those are based on your socio-economic status. Four white trash teenagers who own no nice clothes and have no money for a lawyer (thus making interrupting a real possibility) saying the cop violated their rights are likely to go ignored. Four wealthy white businessmen are likely to be given serious consideration.

So cops don't pull over businessmen and fuck with them. They might give them a speeding ticket, but they aren't going to insist on searching them (even though that's the only class that can actually afford cocaine). But cops will pull over blacks, hispanics, and teens because they can get away with doing whatever they want to them.

And because they have this power, they abuse it. There have been many times I've been pulled over where they were really enjoying fucking with me. It's fun, so they do it. Meanwhile, hellneice is doing bad things and getting away with them.

I really believe that a large amount of my respect for the law was corroded directly as a result of all those times I was pulled over. There's also a psychological aspect that is often ignored. It's not just that I resented the law. It's that the law basically branded me a criminal for years. Over time, you start to believe that. So when I was walking around smoking pot literally all the time, and I was certainly being treated like a suspect/criminal, what's the difference if break other laws, too? I'm already a criminal.

Until there's some serious legal reform, they're going to have ridiculous power over the general population. Why do you think black people hate the police so much? Why do you think they refuse to convict OJ? It's because they know how cops are, and they have no problem believing that OJ was set up.

Cops are dicks, and they know it, and they don't do their jobs.

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Re: Commercials
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2007, 02:55:13 PM »


1 Adam 12, send back-up and a K9 unit. We got a radical type here.

Possibly a terrorist.

Better send a straight jacket too.
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Re: Commercials
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2007, 06:56:40 PM »
Nex, you're killing me over here, not that I entirely disagree with you.  When I was driving my van, I got pulled over constantly -- four times in four months, in the worst stretch -- but I was never ticketed or searched. 

(I did stop carrying illegal weapons, though, which frankly chaps my ass.  I don't know if this is an active defense state, and I doubt most judges allow paranoia as a justification, but sheesh!  I only carry hand-to-hand weapons.  I compromised and just put a 2' chunk of jacketed heavy steel cable in the car.  No, officer, that's just a piece of trash.  A slightly flexible 3 lb piece of trash with a sharply abrasive end.  But I digress.)

Cops are a variable but formulaic lot, in my experience.  If they have a reason to pull you over -- which can vary from 'I hate foreign cars' to 'It's the middle of the night, and I'm bored' -- then they're trained to try to search you, etc, if they think they can get away with it without causing problems for the department.  Cops are taught a rationale called Reason to Stop, in fact.  And the reason for that is mostly simply that they catch at least as many criminals through dumb luck as anything else.  Not because they're incompetent, but just because of the law of averages -- and it's less work, too.  So why not?  That's their attitude.

Some of them are assholes, sure.  Power tends to corrupt, no question, and, frankly, a hell of a lot of the people who want to be cops should never, ever be allowed to be cops.  They weed out about a third of the psychologically unfit, if you ask me.  Then, too, there's the whole problem of the militarization and confrontationalization of the police as a general philosophy, which is about 30% LA's fault, all by themselves, and 30% the feds' fault, and 15% because of socialists a hundred years ago, and yadda yadda.  The friendly beat cop is long gone, and it's made life worse for cops, too.


As for the hellniece . . . she was guilty, but she actually almost never got stopped.  She routinely drove at 20 MPH over the limit and got about one speeding ticket a year.  (Of course, she also had that moronic hit-and-run, but that was a separate issue.)  She routinely had pot in the car, and god knows what else, but never got caught, etc.  No, she was a skater, not one of the oppressed.  She broke both side mirrors -- and one light on each corner! -- within months of taking over my brother's Accord, and she drove it that way for maybe a year, year and a half, no tickets.

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Re: Commercials
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2007, 10:28:11 PM »
The ad for whatever online service, where the woman sings "I got what I was looking for", and they show lots of glam photos of Kato Kaelin . . . .

Am I the only one who detects a whiff of Hugely Inappropriate?  I mean, aside from who the F is looking for glam photos of Kato.


Oh, speaking (twice, now) of OJ . . . I think he was framed, myself.  I mean, I think he was there, and I think he was, shall we say, a prime mover in the murders, but I also think one or more LAPD officers planted evidence.  I mean, come on, what are the odds of a crime so Shadow-esque that there were no witnesses (not even any overheard noises to speak of), no decent physical evidence at the scene (well, except for what the LAPD bungled), etc, and yet they found one bloody glove at the scene and the other oh-so-conveniently at OJ's door?  No, I think both gloves were at the scene, and one was dropped later.

Anyway, the evidence suggests that (A) there were at least two assailants, and (B) the prosecution's theory of the crime was impossible.  Yeah, I think he's guilty, but I can sure understand why a jury would acquit.  I also think overly specific prosecution theories of the crime are a really, really dumb strategy that shows a very, very poor grasp of juries.  If the defense only needs to break one link in your chain, don't make your chain out of fifty delicate links when three gigantic links will do.  A lot of people disagree with me, but I'm as convinced about this as about scientific testimony.

But I don't like that ad.  I don't think it's a good ad anyway.


I don't really get the Right Guard ad where the guy fights the rabid deer, but the delivery of the "Let's go pitch a tent" line cracks me up a bit.

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Re: Commercials
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2007, 12:46:47 PM »
Cops are a variable but formulaic lot, in my experience.  If they have a reason to pull you over -- which can vary from 'I hate foreign cars' to 'It's the middle of the night, and I'm bored' -- then they're trained to try to search you, etc, if they think they can get away with it without causing problems for the department.  Cops are taught a rationale called Reason to Stop, in fact.  And the reason for that is mostly simply that they catch at least as many criminals through dumb luck as anything else.  Not because they're incompetent, but just because of the law of averages -- and it's less work, too.  So why not?  That's their attitude.
Exactly! Exactly! Exactly! That's their attitude. That's their methodology. No matter that people aren't doing anything wrong. No matter that people are supposed to live without unreasonable search and seizure. Let's just do a continual daily dragnet and see what we find.

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Some of them are assholes, sure.  Power tends to corrupt, no question, and, frankly, a hell of a lot of the people who want to be cops should never, ever be allowed to be cops.
No doubt about that. There's a guy from my hometown (cousin of a friend of mine) who became a cop. And everytime someone heard this they said, "Steve? Really? He's the last guy I'd expect to be a cop." The reason they said this was because he was a loose cannon. He was as likely to break your nose as drink a beer in the same room as you. He was one of those guys that got drunk and got in a fight, always. Hyper violent, a dick, a bully. When I first heard that he became a cop I said, "Well that makes sense." (Of course later he let me off a moving violation or two.) They don't screen their candidates well enough.

Don't get me wrong, though. I don't think they pay them enough, either. I respect what they do, especially in big cities. And they're always there to help you when you need them - maybe not right away, but they'll get there. But I think far too many of them get bored and decide to have some fun at the expense of working to prevent real crimes. And far too many of them don't give a shit about the spirit of the laws, just being concerned with getting around them without getting in trouble.
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Re: Commercials
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2007, 02:00:26 PM »
I think, more than that, that too many of them think they're instilling a Sense of Respect for Authority when they're actually instilling a General Hatred and Distrust of the Police.  It's funny, in the sense of being a bit surreal -- watch cops in action (plenty of Reality TV shows with cops, after all) and note how they're often much more polite and gentle and friendly with people who they're pretty sure are hinky, yet authoritative and less sympathetic to people they think are 'average' relatively law-abiding citizens.  They don't realize that they do this.

Most cops are trained to exaggerate a perceived threat, as this theoretically keeps them safe.  The statistical risk to them is what's actually exaggerated, though, and it makes them paranoid and often overreact.

Also, the Let's All Shout Commands As Loud As We Can To Subdue The Suspect thing is purely moronic.  Nothing fails to defuse a situation like having a bunch of aggressive guys with guns screaming unintelligibly at the same time.  That 'Command Voice' technique is another non-winner out of the LAPD.

Of course, the cops also often fail to set a good example.  I've never known a cop who didn't speed constantly and just flash his badge if he got pulled over, and I constantly see cops driving extremely lazily while on duty -- rolling through stops, failing to signal, failing to stay in their lanes, making illegal turns, speeding, etc, with their lights off, just as a matter of course.  Not to mention blah-blahing on their cell phones while trying to drive with one hand. 

Just the other day I saw a police SUV drive up onto the curb and almost run into a lightpost because he was trying to drive while on the phone.  Swerved back into his lane so abruptly that the car in the adjacent lane nearly went off the road in a panic.  Unimpressive.

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Re: Commercials
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2007, 08:44:27 PM »
ObTopic:  Stride gum.  WTF?

First of all, why "Stride"? 

Second, their entire ad campaign revolves around how long-lasting the flavor is.  I bought some Stride a couple of months ago (no toothbrush at work), and uh-uh.  I'd say that Trident's flavor lasts three times as long, or longer.  And it has all those dentists behind it.

Third, their ads have devolved into two camps.  One, the mildly funny self-referential 'deja vu' ad.  Two, the offensive-stereotype shouting-Asian-convenience-store-owner ads, which are horrible.  Who thought that was a good idea?