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Title: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 04, 2010, 10:24:42 PM
Orange, round, peach-basket ball stuff, welcomed here.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Hedaira on November 05, 2010, 10:53:33 AM
I'mma make a college baskety-ball thread when the season starts.

That said, former UK playas Wall and Cousins are doing a'ight in the NBA. Good on 'em.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Hedaira on November 05, 2010, 10:54:12 AM
Also, the Celtics actually won one. Pants were shat.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 05, 2010, 11:35:44 AM
The Celtics have won four.  Only the Cavaliers (somehow) have beaten them as yet [no jinx].  The big surprise with them is that their bench, which was supposed to be awesome this year, has been pretty sucky.  Delonte 'Go' West is halfway through a ten-game suspension (for crazy gun-totin' off-his-meds nonsense last year), and there have already been a bunch of injuries.

Some injuries were expected, considering how many 'old' players the C's have, but the whole point of signing both O'Neals (Shaq and Jermaine) to cheap contracts was so they'd have enough bigs no matter who got hurt.  Perkins, their starting center, is out half the season.  Shaq's the only actually old player on their team -- he's almost my age -- and he'll probably play about half the regular season's games.  JO has a history of being way too fragile, plus he fouls out a lot.  Big Baby Davis is better but also has foul troubles some nights, and after that it's just the Turkish rookie Semih 'Tough' Erden . . . who tends to have foul trouble. 

So they've had a couple of games already where Pierce, at 6'7", ends up being their tallest player in the fourth quarter.  Ridiculous.  But the bench should get better once West comes back and Nate Robinson stops having to play point guard.

Wall is a freak of nature, in a good way.  It's always awesome to see kids come into the league and immediately kick ass.  Not to mention that the Wizards really, really need him.  :lol:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 05, 2010, 10:06:03 PM
Tonight's Celtics / Bulls game was surprisingly entertaining.  The Bulls could be scary once they get Carlos Boozer playing with them, assuming he meshes.  Right now, they have too many people trying to play hero, and only Derrick Rose is really equipped for it.  But they have a lot of young and youngish players who could be phenomenal if they could be more consistent and remember to play as a team.

Their coach is pretty much the ideal coach for a team playing against the C's, though, because until this year he was Boston's defense mastermind.

The C's just need the whole team to be able to play.  Shaq and Perkins were both sorely missed -- the C's had three guys playing center, for a total of almost 68 minutes (overtime, plus some overlap), and altogether those guys had six rebounds, which is ridiculous.  And they need West back because the second unit doesn't have a real point guard.

But otherwise, watching this game, it would've been easy to believe the score was 20 points higher for each team.  Fairly crazy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 11, 2010, 04:17:43 PM
It pains me to miss tonight's rematch between the Celtics and the Miami Nazgul, but I'm having dinner with my brother.  Miami is likely to win, anyway, as Boston has both of the gimpy O'Neals out with injured legs (oy), their star center still out for weeks to come while recovering from surgery, and their best backup guard still suspended.  Plus, the C's beat Miami in the embarrassing first game of the season -- and Miami blew a 22-point lead at home in their last game to lose decisively in overtime to the Utah Jazz, a team they were really really expected to beat.

But we'll see.  Or at least I'll see the recap afterward.

In other NBA news, Kentucky fans may note that John Wall may be a rookie with like half a dozen NBA games under his belt, but he's already hot shit and no foolin'.  The other night, against the allegedly much better Houston Rockets team (even with their injury problems), he not only led the Wizards to the win but had his first triple-double:  19 points, 13 assists, and 10 rebounds.  On 50% shooting.  With just 1 turnover.  And with 6 steals.  And he blocked a shot, which is always impressive for a guard.

Yeah, I'm a little jealous, but so are a whole lot of people.

This season is turning out to be a hell of a season, too.  Lots of interesting stuff going on.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 11, 2010, 11:43:40 PM
And . . . the Celtics won.  :lol:  Even though LeBron made as many free throws as the entire Boston team.  Oof.

The Heat have problems at center.  They should be starting the Big Z over Joel Anthony.  He may be getting old, but he's better, knows how to play with LeBron, and is six inches taller, for crying out loud.  LeBron has too much else going on to be your main guy to block shots, and I don't know how Bosh ever got a reputation as a shot blocker.  Last year, Z blocked like five freaking times as many shots, per minute played, as Bosh did.

They also have defensive problems at guard -- on the opposing point guard, usually -- and it's just too many holes.  They started off as the #1 team defensively, and now they've gotten torched their last three games as coaches are figuring out what their problems are.

edit:  For ONE thing, they definitely have to figure out how to fix this if they're still expecting to play the Lakers in the Finals.  Between Kobe and Gasol, they'll get killed even if Bynum is injured.  I wasn't a big Pau Gasol fan until toward the end of last season, but by now I'm convinced, although right now I'd still rather take a much cheaper chance on his brother, dollar-wise.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on November 12, 2010, 01:31:07 PM
In other news.  The Nuggets beat the Fakers last night!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 12, 2010, 01:42:51 PM
Yeah, the Nuggets underperform a bit, but the Lakers always seem to have trouble with them.  It was a good win for Denver, and it leaves only New Orleans undefeated.

Anytime Kobe has a bad night and the Lakers lose, it makes the Lakers look really vulnerable.  I didn't see the game, but the box score suggests Kobe should've given up on his shot early and concentrated on passing.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 18, 2010, 10:59:19 PM
So . . . it sucks to be an NBA fan in Portland. 

Four years ago, they won the draft lottery in a big year and dithered between a 7' mad scientist named Greg Oden and a 6'9" all-around wizard named Kevin Durant.  Durant was skinny as a pipe cleaner, and Oden had had a few problems with his knees.  They took Oden.  Durant became a superstar for Seattle, who then lost their entire team to Oklahoma, where Durant is now being talked up as possibly this year's MVP.

(Aside:  Boston actually had a better chance of winning the draft that year, and they had planned to take Durant.  Instead, they lost the draft and made the mega trade that won them the championship.  That's good management, baby.  Still, it's fun to play What If.)

Oden . . . had knee problems.  Needed surgery.  Then he broke his wrist.  Then he had knee problems.  Now he needs surgery again and will miss this entire season.  And at the end of the season, his contract is up.  In four years, he's played in about 25% of the games he should have played in, and he's never averaged more than half a game when he was playing.  That sucks for everyone involved.  And his stats, for the limited minutes, suggest he would have been a superstar if he could have stayed healthy.

But Portland managed to make some trades and land this other star player, a guard named Brandon Roy.  Who, it now turns out, has bad knees . . . that probably can't be helped with surgery . . . and which are just getting worse over time.

The moral of the story seems to be that Portland is a bad place for knees.  And basketball.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 18, 2010, 11:28:38 PM
They were good once. Back in the Seventies I think.

But as for the knees, I blame the climate. My knee ached the whole time I was there, last time. Like on foggy days here.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 19, 2010, 10:39:56 AM
They took Walton in one of those lottery fairy tales, too, back in the 70s, and immediately he was all injuries, too.  But then he settled down after a few years, and they won a championship.  (They swept the Lakers out of the playoffs, which the Lakers still occasionally bring up.)  Then he got injured again and things got ugly . . . and he eventually wound up with the Celtics, where he won another championship . . . before getting injured again. 

Still, he arguably had a better career in Boston, the Portland of the East Coast.

Portland did better with Clyde Drexler, back in the day.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 20, 2010, 05:20:02 PM
Last night . . . Miami played Charlotte, the Lakers played Minnesota, and the Celtics played Oklahoma City.  The first team, in all three cases, should have beat the snot out of the second team.  OKC is not a pushover, but Durant and their second-leading scorer were both out.

The Celtics managed to lose.  Miami blew a huge lead and almost lost.  The Lakers . . . beat the snot out of Minnesota.  :lol:

The Celtics-Thunder game was weird as hell.  The Thunder had been shooting just over 25% on three-pointers, but last night they were 67%.  Their fourth-leading dude, Ibaka, is allegedly not a good shooter, but he was hitting 15-20' shots.  Through the first three quarters, they just could not miss.  They were shooting almost 70% from the floor (against the Celtics defense, which is in the top five), and what can you do?  Expect the law of averages to work out in your favor.

The C's were shooting over 60% for the first three quarters, too, but just not getting to the free throw line.  That happens to the C's a lot, for all the talk of star treatment.  For the game, the Thunder hit as many free throws as Boston attempted.  It didn't help that Boston had two guys miss all their free throws and a 90% shooter hit just 33%.  Oops.  Boston also only hit one 3-pointer all night.

The fourth quarter was hideous all around.  The C's missed nine shots in a row, and OKC missed thirteen.  The Thunder's offense became mind-numbingly stupid; they ran the same play over and over again even though they kept failing and failing and failing.  Seriously, no one deserved to win this game, but especially them.  Just awful. 

The refs also got terrible in the fourth, although I couldn't honestly say which team generally got shafted worse.  In the last 30 seconds, though, Boston tried to intentionally give a foul to stop the clock, and it took nine fouls (as counted by ESPN) and almost ten seconds before a ref decided to blow the whistle.  That's just asking for someone to flat-out deck the guy with the ball, and it's inexcusable.  Everyone knew Boston was trying to foul on purpose, and they had four guys just slap the crap out of Oklahoma's point guard, and no whistle, no whistle, no whistle . . . .

Anyway, stupid, weird game.  With a stupid, weird ending.  Everyone involved should be pretty embarrassed, but it's a win for the Thunder in a couple of ways.  They beat a top-three team with two of their three main guys out, and Westbrook, their point guard . . . now he's gotta have a lot of confidence that he can score on anyone.  That team may never shoot that well again, but they shouldn't be afraid of trying.

I do kind of wish Charlotte had managed to beat Miami, though.  That would've been pretty funny.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 20, 2010, 05:59:53 PM
Not to harp on it, but I just read that neither team scored a basket during the last 9.5 minutes of that game.  :trance:  Did I mention the fourth quarter sucked?

Also, Rondo hurt his leg, which may or may not have been a factor, and Garnett got clocked in the head in the first quarter.  That didn't seem to affect him, but he was playing despite having a lump literally bigger than his ear on the back righthand side of his head.  It was gruesome.

Westbrook was 6-for-6 on free throws in the fourth quarter, which is how they won the game, but he missed seven shots in a row from the field and ended up with more turnovers than assists, which is not so good for the point guard.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 23, 2010, 02:51:31 PM
My involuntary late-night shenanigans made me miss a Celtics game where they finally kicked ass for 48 minutes.

Also a game in which the Heat got blown out by the Pacers.  THE PACERS.  Seriously, there's little joy in Miamiville right now.  They were talking about winning 70-something games this season, and at the moment they're a game or two over 50%.  If they go the entire rest of the season without losing again . . . .

Everybody's still blaming Chris Bosh.  Look, I've never been a gigantic fan of Bosh, but this is hardly his fault.  He doesn't fit that well on this team, but that's management's fault.  Some pundits are saying that the Heat had to hire Bosh because they could only get LeBron if they put all three nazgul together.  The result is that they had no money left for, you know, the other seven guys, minimum, that they needed.  So LBJ and especially Wade are still killing themselves trying to win games on their own.  Wade's health is suffering as a result, and last night he shot like 1-for-6000.

I still say LBJ should have gone to Chicago or Dallas.  It would've been much more interesting.  And he'd be doing a lot better right now.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on November 23, 2010, 04:00:55 PM
LBJ!  Hee!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 23, 2010, 05:15:37 PM
YARLY.  They often call him that.  Not only is it looking like he can't bring a championship to Miami this year, but he probably doesn't have an exit strategy for Vietnam, either.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on November 23, 2010, 05:18:12 PM
I still laugh at the "Bosh looks like one of those Avatar dudes" comments. Anyway, yeah it takes more than three guys to win a championship, so they could sure use some bench help.

Speaking of the bench, it sounds like AI is there already in Turkey. I was sorta hoping it'd be like when Kenny Fuckin' Powers went to Mexico to revitalize his career in the just-ended season two of Eastbound and Down (what a funny show), but if he's gonna turn things around it's going to take more time than expected, I guess.

As for Dallas, I don't believe even LBJ could help now because this area is currently under some kind of sports curse. (Dirk is playing great though; I really need to make it out to a live game this year, I mean he's not gonna play forever) A few years ago I watched the most soul crushing defeat of my career as a sports fan from like ten feet away, the Crapids in the playoffs...then the next year, exact same team and scenario...then this year, the alignments were weird enough that Dallas represented the West while they represented the East in the finals...perfect scenario for revenge, right? Then this (

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 23, 2010, 05:36:25 PM
Miami has major, major problems not only with depth but with center and point guard, which are, you know, two of the more important positions.  Haslem was their best workaday player, and now he's apparently out for the entire season.  He was also somehow their best rebounder.  So they've now signed Erick Dampier as a new center, which is not going to be earthshaking.  They may be able to get an exception for Haslem and sign someone else, but I'm not sure who.

Dallas may very well be cursed, but if James had gone there, the current starting five would be Jason Kidd, Dirk, Tyson Chandler, Caron Butler (who would slide to shooting guard), and LBJ.  No offense to DeShawn Stevenson.  Stevenson averages 5 pts, 1 rebound, and half an assist this season.  James averages 23.5 pts, over 5 rebounds, and 8.5 assists this season.  That would be significantly better.

James would play a lot of minutes, so Shawn Marion could split between backing him and backing Nowitzki.  You let Stevenson and Mahinmi fade toward the 3rd string, and the team is a whole lot better.  That might not be the right lineup -- I can't remember now how the move to Dallas was supposed to work, so maybe Marion wouldn't still be there, or something.  But it would be a big improvement.

Miami was gutted for this lineup, and they're a disaster.  I think Kidd could blend a new lineup better than Miami's been doing, and there'd be less pressure on James.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on November 23, 2010, 05:50:44 PM
And now I'm :eyeroll: at the Youtube comments. Look, I thought this coach was not pro caliber at first, but he had a system in mind and it took a few years to put in place. Now, FCD plays the kind of soccer I love--always moving forward and attacking, very fun to watch, not the kind of game usually associated with MLS at all. In the past I have watched them field plenty of shitty teams playing the most boring style of bunker ball, so it has truly been a pleasure to see.

Like the NBA, the league often influences ingame proceedings thru the refs chosen (although the refs in MLS are worse than any league of any kind ever), and here's a high-flying uptempo team playing against the usual clutch-and-grab brawler type of team that normally typifies MLS (which is one of the reasons US club soccer has never been embraced more by soccer fans, especially the American audience of Premiership snobs), so they bring in a ref who swallows the whistle and lets these guys clobber each other all night, which naturally leads to an ugly game that favors the uglier team.

So really it felt almost like a loss for MLS as much as for my team, 'cause people look in on that final game who don't normally follow the league and are like "is this what it's like all the time? Ewww American soccer still sucks" and then the only highlight being shown everywhere is a nutmeg leading to an OG leading to a really awkward dive, instead of pretty stuff like this right here ( (Ferreira is beastly)

Yeahh! talkin about MLS in the newly minted NBA thread!!

Actually with regard to the Mavs lineup, I still think Cuban is gonna make at least one big trade before the season is up. I think Butler's contract is expiring? He's usually mentioned in such rumors. Wow, it would be cool to have a good center here. It's never happened pretty much ever in Mavs history...Roy Tarpley for a minute, but then he drank himself out of that job...

But Dirk, wow. He seems to be shooting better than ever. That game winner against the Celts recently was great. Plus they are putting more emphasis on team defense this year, thinking forward to the playoffs. But still, the curse.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 24, 2010, 01:14:48 AM
Yeahh! talkin about MLS in the newly minted NBA thread!!

I wouldn't have it any other way! :galm:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 24, 2010, 09:14:34 AM
:lol:  Yeah, doesn't bother me -- I just don't know anything about US soccer beyond what everybody knows, ie, that chick totally took her shirt off.  Which, seriously, that was awesome; I don't even know what she looks like or if she was attractive or whatever, but that really shouldn't be the point.  Male athletes have a whole range of excited celebration techniques, from the funny and cool to the really stupid, and it's not like she wasn't wearing anything underneath.  That emotion is part of why you watch sports.

Iverson . . . there's still a fair bit of mystery surrounding his decision to go to Turkey instead of, say, China.  In China, the recognition would have been far greater, the money would have been better, and there are a lot more other former NBA players around to hang out with.  Not that I have anything against Turkey.  They were saying that the arena he played in for his debut there is in an urban area of thirteen million people, and the stadium seats 3200, and it wasn't full.

Maybe just as well considering how rusty he was.  But I saw an article that says he seems to be happy there at the moment.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 25, 2010, 02:44:18 PM
Celtics won last night (which is a good thing, since they were playing New Jersey), mostly thanks to Shaq playing like it was ten years ago, which I don't think many people expected.  Unfortunately, Delonte 'Go' West got fouled on a layup (no whistle), landed badly, and broke both bones in his wrist.  Celtics current players with serious injuries: three centers (including their starting center), a power forward, their starting point guard, a shooting guard, and two combo guards.  That's over half the team.  Five of those guys are currently not playing at all.  Hopefully the schedule will be fairly easy for awhile.

The Heat lost to Orlando, which is about right.  Apparently the Heat are 1-6 against teams that have winning records.  Not too impressive so far.

San Antonio -- currently the best team in the league -- got pummeled for most of the game by lowly Minnesota last night, but then they came back.  They came back from a 21 point deficit, took their first lead with less than a minute to play, and then won in overtime.  Not much joy in Minneapolis last night.  Kevin Love had 32 points and 22 rebounds, though, which is the second time this season he's done that.  Pretty amazing stuff.  Possibly even better news for Minnesota is that Darko finally had another breakout game, 22 points on 10-17 shooting, 8 rebounds, and 5 blocks, in 33 minutes . . . before he fouled out.  Well, good and bad.  He also had 7 turnovers, but maybe it's progress.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 25, 2010, 02:45:09 PM
Not much joy in Minneapolis ever with regards to sports, barring one or two Kirby episodes.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 25, 2010, 02:46:47 PM
AND it's really farking cold, and it takes forever to get from there to most places.

Nice town, though, from what I hear.  I would have visited a long time ago, but, uh, yeah, it takes too long to get there by car.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 25, 2010, 02:58:22 PM
Minneapolis is a bitchin' city. I would really live there if there was a handy ocean. Even taking into account the winters. If you work downtown because of the skyways you never have to go outside!

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 25, 2010, 03:27:16 PM
I actually really like horrible winters if I have enough money to be equipped for them.  I prefer to live where there are oceans or mountains, or at least serious hills.  Minneapolis has lakes, though.

Of course, if I could travel to and through Canada . . . .
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 26, 2010, 02:17:01 PM
The Clippers are still kind of a joke . . . I mean, how much does it suck to be the 'other LA team'?  The Lakers are currently the #2 team in the league, and the Clippers are the worst team, at 3-13.  Ouch.

BUT.  Last year, the Clippers drafted Blake Griffin, a fine young power forward.  Griffin didn't play last year due to an injury, but he seems to be all better.  If he ever learns to block shots, he'll be a monster.  Right now, he's just a highlight reel machine.

Blake Griffin's Top Ten Dunks ( in his first 16 games.

That last one . . . maybe that should be an offensive foul.  :lol:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 29, 2010, 02:23:55 PM
So . . . the Indiana Pacers, yes, beat the Miami Heat the other night.  In a measure of how disappointing the Heat have been so far, many Pacers fans (there have to be some, after all) said that they weren't impressed.  ESPN quoted a message board where a fan said the Pacers would at least have to beat Miami twice before it would be impressive.

But then the Pacers beat the Lakers the other night, which was much more surprising.  The Lakers, like the C's, currently have very few able-bodied big men (by which, in the NBA, they mean at least 6'10"), and Indiana has a lot.  Which also explains why they beat Miami, who's best center is 'Big Z' Ilgauskas, a nice player who was ready to be your starting center five years ago.  I actually like the Z, but he's not ready to take on every other team's grudge match for 35 minutes a night.

Dallas had a harder time beating Miami the other night, but the refs were really, really helping Miami out.  At one point in the fourth, Miami got to a point where they had almost as many free throws that quarter as Dallas had all game.  It was pretty ridiculous, but Dallas still won by close to ten points.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on November 29, 2010, 04:00:25 PM
Dallas had a harder time beating Miami the other night, but the refs were really, really helping Miami out.  At one point in the fourth, Miami got to a point where they had almost as many free throws that quarter as Dallas had all game.

Ladies and gentlemen, the 2006 NBA Finals!

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on November 29, 2010, 05:16:43 PM
You know, what's weird is that this is the first year that it really bugs me that it has to be an Eastern Conference and a Western Conference team in the finals.  I understand why the league does it that way ($$$), but even with all the madness that went on the West still has the lion's share of the better teams. 

If, god forbid, the C's can't stay healthy, and the Magic lose any of three key players, it could easily be, say, Atlanta in the Finals, or Chicago.  And meanwhile six or seven teams in the West with equally good records -- despite playing in a generally tougher conference -- will have to eliminate each other until only one is left.  Right now it looks like the Lakers or the Spurs, but the Lakers have pretty much the same depth issues as the Magic, and the Spurs have the same health issues as the C's, so it could easily wind up being Dallas or New Orleans or (surprisingly) Utah.

It really isn't fair.  Maybe the East Coast wouldn't tune in to watch Dallas play LA, but I can't believe the league can't create more geographical parity. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 01, 2010, 10:11:56 AM
Hey, Dallas is on top of this week's Sports Illustrated Power Rankings.  And San Antonio is #2, followed by the Celtics, Utah, and then the Lakers.  Texas is solid right now.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on December 01, 2010, 08:18:13 PM
Oh yeah, both very fun teams to watch right now too. Both are older squads though, so there's always the question of injuries and etc. down the stretch, but certainly playing better basketball lately than a lot of the really hyped up teams...

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on December 02, 2010, 11:13:38 PM
Thanks Cleveland fans for making me wonder why "Scottie Pippen" was trending (I turned the channel to Always Sunny when the point differential was 30). They were chanting it at LeBron like, neener neener you're a sidekick. It's a dumb comparison though. Given the choice between having LBJ and 90s era Scottie on my pickup team, I'm taking Pippen every time. At least you know he's gonna play some serious D.

People who only know those Bulls teams thru Youtube highlights and etc. don't realize that. It was an NBA era that was particularly brutal and ugly. The Bulls were great offensively, but they won because they played defense like mean hungry dogs who knew you had a sammich in your backpack. MJ and Scottie were perennial All-Defensive Team picks throughout their career. That attitude informed not only their play, but that of the whole squad.

(When I first heard Jay Z rapping about "If we stay strong, we can get paper longer than Pippen's arms" it reminded me of when I shook the guy's hand and it completely engulfed mine. And I'm not that small a dude, haha)

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 02, 2010, 11:32:31 PM
It's a weird comparison, no question.  Pippen was an almost-superstar, and he grated at being called a sidekick, but the fact is he acceded to the role, even if he wouldn't call it that.  He buckled down and did what the Bulls actually needed, not necessarily playing the way he wanted to play.  He made a huge and continually conscious effort to complement Jordan's play and not to compete with him for the ball.  He was a real mensch.

LBJ isn't doing that.  I'm not 100% sure he should -- Wade is a great talent but isn't Jordan, and I think the years since Shaq left Miami have taken a heavy toll on Wade.  Some of it is physical, from trying to carry the team, but I think a lot is psychological.  It's really, really easy to fall into the trap of playing hard enough for everyone to see you're playing hard, but not necessarily playing to win.  Besides, Wade just doesn't seem to be durable enough, at this point, to be the superstar. 

James could easily be the superstar . . . if he had enough of a supporting cast.  The ironic problem the Heat have, that a million people have commented on plenty already, is that there's just too much of a drop-off after their big three.  To win consistently, James and Wade (and, OK, Bosh, one level down) have to score like stars, rebound like stars, dish assists like stars, and play defense like stars.  They both have to be Jordan -- or at least both be Pippen -- without getting in each other's way.  So far, they're both just trying to do it singlehandedly.

Frankly, although it's being called awesome, James' performance tonight was pretty tempered.  He had 38 points, 5 rebounds, and 8 assists in 30 minutes, which is extraordinary, but before the end of the first quarter he already had 14 points, 4 rebounds, and 6 assists, in like 9 minutes.  He kept scoring but it wasn't what it could have been.

That might be for the best.  If he'd lost tonight, it would have taken years to live down.  Instead the Heat blew the Cavs out, and it just makes James look like more of an asshole.  It's all a matter of attitude.  Garnett left Minnesota and was welcomed at his first game back there.  Maybe because he didn't go on national TV and say, well, Minneapolis, it's been swell, but you gotta admit you suck and I'd rather be somewhere better.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on December 02, 2010, 11:52:24 PM
Oooh, the Garnett example is a good one. Ray Bourque leaving the Bruins to pursue a Cup comes to mind as well.

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention Scottie Pippen's greatness as one of the Beatles (

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 04, 2010, 09:17:21 PM

Awesome.  I forwarded that to my favorite archeologist, who's also a huge Beatles fan.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: mrcookieface on December 04, 2010, 11:16:51 PM

That was brilliant.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 08, 2010, 12:44:40 PM
Last year and this year, there's been a lot of talk about who the best point guards in the league are, and that's probably mostly because there are five or six young point guards who are all pretty awesome.  It's a good thing.  Steve Nash, at 49 (36, in Canadian years), actually statistically kicks most of them, but he's surely playing his last few years now and is on a team (Phoenix) that unfortunately just can't get over the hump into trophy contention.

(He really is still amazing, though.  A couple of nights ago, in a win against Washington, he played 30 minutes, hit 8 out of 8 shots and all three free throws, and had 17 assists and just two turnovers.  That's like supernaturally good.)

Derrick Rose, the star point guard in Chicago, is statistically one of the best PGs -- as a 'shooting point guard' more than an 'assisting point guard' -- but actually I think he'd be even better as a shooting guard, although he'd have a little bit of trouble guarding some of the bigger shooting guards.  Unfortunately, the Bulls are really thin at the guard positions, so it's not likely to happen anytime soon.  Rose averages a lot of assists, but he'd rather score.

Rondo, for Boston, does exactly what an ideal point guard does (except hit free throws . . . c'mon, man), which is make it easy for the other players to score by orchestrating the offense.  ESPN was on about this yesterday:

With Rondo this season, Pierce is averaging 28.3 points per 48 minutes, while shooting 55.1 percent overall from the floor, including 51 percent from beyond the 3-point stripe. When Rondo is off the court, Pierce is averaging 19.6 points per 48 minutes, while shooting 39.7 percent, including a mere 6.7 percent from 3-point land.

That's, like, :trance:.  It's like the difference between having a great quarterback or just hiking the ball and letting any random offensive player pick it up and try to run it in.
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Post by: random axe on January 11, 2011, 11:26:02 PM
Last week, Power Balance, the company that makes those magic bracelets that a lot of pro athletes wear, admitted to the press that the bracelets don't actually do anything.

This week, the Sacramento Kings announced that they're going to change the name of their stadium to Power Balance Arena.

Yeah, that probably won't actually do anything, either.

Putting that aside . . . corporations sure are dumb!  If you put your corporate name on a ballpark or sports arena or whatever, and it sounds awful, people will remember you -- and hate and mock you for it.  If you just paid the same money and had your name advertised inside, you'd be far better off.  The way things are going, the best you can hope for is to be gently mocked, or even ignored.  The new Boston Garden is really called the TD Banknorth Garden, but no one calls it that unless they're paid to, because it would be stupid to call it that.

But are corporations really that dumb?  Well, yes, but this is against their financial interest, and I don't think the executives are that dumb.  I think they know it's bad for business but do it just because they can.  It goes to show that you can make far too much money and run a giant corporation and still be as fiercely insecure as a puppy on the wrong side of a closed bedroom door.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on January 12, 2011, 01:03:57 AM
The Kings play at Arco Arena.  Arco is a subsidiary of BP.  I wonder how the gulf spill impacted any of that.  Maybe that's the reason for the change.  But then again the typical person on the street wouldn't be aware that Arco is owned by BP, would they?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 13, 2011, 12:17:47 PM
OK, OK . . . a lot of people hate LeBron these days.  While he was in Cleveland, he complained that it was too hard for him to make the team win by himself, and he complained that they weren't surrounding him with other stars, but he also privately told a lot of other star players that Cleveland sucked and that he wasn't going to hang around there.  That kind of made it hard for management to surround him with stars, because nobody wanted to join LBJ if he wasn't trying, and nobody wanted to be stranded in Cleveland after he left.

He also tended to tank important games, here and there.  And then his abandonment of Cleveland for Miami was done about as classlessly as possible.  I do believe he didn't intend to be as cruel as he was about it, but he was just utterly clueless, and he refuses to admit the slightest fault in the whole thing.

So.  Cleveland lost their megastar, and the veteran center who followed him to Miami, and then they recently lost their best young player to injury for the rest of the season.  Then the Lakers walk in and crush, biblically, and I mean setting records for the beatdown.

LBJ thinks it's funny and tweets that "karma is a everything" [sic].  Wow.  Asshole.

THE NEXT NIGHT, Miami walks into a game against the not-doing-so-well Clippers.  BOOM! HEADSHOT!

Not only did they lose (after a streak of 13 wins on the road), but James sprained his ankle.

Yeah, karma, go figure.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 13, 2011, 12:21:25 PM
That it's the Clippers makes the schädenfreude that much sweeter. Mmmmm.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 13, 2011, 12:26:03 PM
And right before the game he defended his karma comment!

Seriously, that's like begging for it.  Guy's a great athlete but needs an advisor specifically to teach him how to not be a douchebag.  At this point, Ron Artest is overqualified for the job.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on January 13, 2011, 12:29:39 PM
Maybe LBJ and Palin can share one.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 15, 2011, 10:59:47 PM
And . . . LBJ has not played since spraining his ankle in the game immediately following his "karma" remark, and the Heat have not won.  They've now lost three in a row.


I feel bad for Wade, a little bit.  I should probably feel bad for Bosh, but I don't, although I feel a little bad that he's such a junior member of Miami's Big Three.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 21, 2011, 10:58:14 PM
Apparently it's Massacre Night in the NBA.

Milwaukee beat Cleveland by 14, which is a pretty convincing win.  And New Jersey beat Detroit by 15.  But Phoenix beat Washington by 18.  And Boston walked away from Utah by 24.

However, Orlando beat Toronto, 112-72.  If Orlando hadn't scored in the entire fourth quarter, they still would have won, but they scored 39 points in the fourth.  Ouch!

And then New Orleans beat Atlanta, 100-59.  If New Orleans hadn't scored in the fourth quarter, they still would have won by eleven.  That's Washington Generals territory.

Meanwhile, three nights ago Atlanta beat LeBron James and the Miami Heat . . . that's gotta be embarrassing for Miami.

Tough night for a lot of teams, tonight.  Yeesh.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 14, 2011, 02:41:54 PM

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on February 15, 2011, 09:42:05 AM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 24, 2011, 06:15:13 PM

The NBA is expecting to have entirely new business rules by the end of next season, with the major upshot probably being that players won't make as much money.  The economy's bad, and all.  There's a lot of talk about how this is unfair to the players, and maybe it is, but frankly over the last couple of years there's been an absolute epidemic of players being stuck playing crappily on teams they don't want to play for simply because they're owed so much money every year that it's impossible to trade them.  And some star players have gotten traded to crap teams just to dump their enormous contracts. 

That situation isn't good for anyone, and, if you ask me, it's the result of players not having much sense and agents being too greedy.  Frankly, if you can't live on $8 million a year, then $12 million a year isn't going to do you much good beyond bragging rights.  There was a lot of talk that the big three in Miami took pay cuts to all wind up on the same team, but between them they still took up so much of the allowable salary that the team couldn't get enough good backup players.

But anyway.  The other upshot of this situation is that teams don't want to resign stars to long contracts right now, because if they wait until next year . . . they can probably resign them (or equivalent stars) for less money, after the rules change.  New York just gave up a huge amount of money and several good players to get Carmelo Anthony, and most analysts are wondering why they didn't wait a few months to get him as a free agent for less money and without giving up those other players.

The trade deadline for this season was today at 3 PM, and all manner of hell broke loose as teams tried to figure out how to position themselves before the new rules go into effect.  I don't remember another year with as much crazy trading.  And my much-loved Celtics traded five players in about half an hour today.  :trance:  They had four centers (!), all of whom were injured, and they traded two of them -- the two who were least injured, and including their starting center. 

The C's management loves bizarre complicated trades and such, and maybe they'll hire a free agent before the playoffs, or maybe this is all an attempt to clear space to go after Dwight Howard (or possibly Marc Gasol, et al) next year.  But as it currently stands, they went from being in the top three championship contenders to pretty much being written off.

Weird.  But there have been a lot of big trades.  The second half of the season will be a mystery.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 25, 2011, 08:25:25 AM
Seriously, 50 players were traded in the last couple of days before the deadline.  That doesn't count draft picks or cash that changed hands.

By my count, at least six major players got screwed over because of their own big contracts.  Turns out the C's traded Perkins, who helped them win one championship and who would've gotten them another one last year if he hadn't been injured, because they were afraid his agent was going to ask for too much money this summer.  Same story as the rest of them.  They ask for a ton of money, and if you don't sign them they walk away and you get nothing.  So teams dump them, for whatever they can get, before that happens.

Meanwhile, Rip Hamilton is wasting the last good years of his career sitting on the bench in Detroit because he refuses to give up a few million dollars (out of many millions of dollars) to take a pay cut and go play for a team that would actually play him.

It's the agents as much as the players, but that's just not a right situation.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 28, 2011, 07:00:39 AM
Oh . . . now that the trading season is over in the NBA, I can mention -- without fear of jinxes -- the scariest possible trade that there were any rumors about.  People who follow this particular sport may remember (hard to forget) that Memphis handed the Lakers an incredible deal a few years ago when they gave them Pau Gasol.

Well, this year there were rumors in LA that the Lakers were going to send All-Star but often-injured center Andrew Bynum and talented but mentally spastic forward Ron Artest to Memphis for yet another Why Would Memphis DO That trade -- getting back Pau's brother, center Marc Gasol and forward Zach Randolph.  There were some other fiddly pieces in the rumored trade, but those were the main bits.

That would probably have put the Lakers on top for the next three years.  The younger Gasol is underrated, a bit under-coached, and hasn't reached his potential yet, and I wouldn't want to see him on the same team as his brother unless it was a team I normally root for.  Bynum is great except that, yeah, he gets injured a lot, and Artest is great when he's not being crazy instead.  You can't count on either of them.

Besides, the much ballyhooed Bynum + Artest combo averages about 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 3.5 assists a game, which is not actually that great.  Marc Gasol + Randolph combo averages 32 points, 20 rebounds, and 4.5 assists.  Blocks would be the same, and the Gasol / Randolph combo even has a better shooting percentage.  And they're both way better at free throws.  So that would have been HUGE. 

Fortunately for anyone not a Lakers fan, the trade didn't happen.  Although if it had, at least it would have killed some of the Miami buzz.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on February 28, 2011, 10:55:54 AM
Did you watch the Knicks/Heat last night?  That three-pointer at the halftime buzzer to put the Knicks ahead was poetry.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 28, 2011, 11:58:28 AM
I can't watch most games without shelling out $$$, what with no cable and all, but I followed the box score fairly closely and chortled with glee at the recaps this morning.

I can't decide if enjoying the Knicks kicking the Nazgul while they're down is schadenfreude or just fair game, but I did enjoy it.  And I'm very happy for Billups, who did not want to be traded and definitely did not want to be an afterthought.  He was initially a Celtic, you know, and they traded him halfway through his rookie season.  :doh:

I'm not a laundrymonger, so I tend to root for players even on the basis that they used to be Celtics.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on February 28, 2011, 04:31:04 PM
I can't watch most games without shelling out $$$, what with no cable and all


It's good because the Knicks have been shitty forever and they're due for some success, it's bad because the East Coast Bias means we'll have to hear about them constantly now.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 28, 2011, 04:46:33 PM
Nah, ATDHE is illegal, mang.  I mean, I don't care that other people use the site, but I have unrealistically high standards for myself in certain weird ways.  Unfortunately.

I do think it's pretty awesome, actually, that the Knicks are so much better.  For one thing, no team learns real road warrior toughness if its division is all crap.  For another, the Eastern Conference teams I like will make more money if they play more games that feature a couple of extra big-draw players.  And the Knicks sucking is just lame.  Now they just have to fix their management, or the Russian Bear will somehow eat them alive.

The East was so much weaker than the West for so long, and now a bunch of big stars have migrated eastward, and that's got to be a good thing for the league.  Mix it up.

And if you hear the Knicks more, you won't hate it if it means you hear about the Heat a little less.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on February 28, 2011, 05:26:21 PM
Yes. Sometimes in quiet moments, I ponder upon all the dollars of lost revenue I am snatching right off the table of those hard working NBA execs, and I weep like a small child, and there is much rending of garments.

It's mostly just offsite links to and the like, and the monkey's fate is up to the organ grinder, so if they care a whole lot (like Vince McMahon and his high dollar pay per views) they can get it pulled off those sites pretty quickly. Nobody seems to give a shit about blocking some midnight tilt between the Bucks and Sactown, though. (and you still see the ads, which are already bought and paid for as per the broadcast)

Their prob not mine anyway, but y'all already know I suck as a person, that's why I never claimed to be anything more than a nice guy and an athlete. But it's like when they cracked down on torrents (where you can see every IP addy in the seed pile, and then go threaten their grannies) and so everybody just went to Rapidshare and Fileserve and etc (if you want it taken down, you have talk to the admin in Russia or Switzerland or wherever, and there are no traceable records to pursue)

(Actually I do have cable so between TNT and ESPN and the locals I get most NBA games anyway, plus licensed ESPN3 access on the computer. We don't get the "VS" network though, so it's nice to get CBC coverage of hockey, for example, or obscure soccer matches that are often blocked to the USA via their normal channels or simply unavailable otherwise)

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 28, 2011, 08:57:17 PM
Sometimes in quiet moments, I ponder upon all the dollars of lost revenue I am snatching right off the table of those hard working NBA execs, and I weep like a small child, and there is much rending of garments.


No, when I said I don't care if other people do that sort of thing, I actually meant it.  That wasn't my way of trying not to be a dick while still having the moral high ground.  I just have a thing about it, and I'm strict with myself about certain things like Rorscharch is strict with his own rules even in the face of getting blown to a smear by Dr Manhattan.  I don't know that it's a smart way to be, much less the right way to be.  It doesn't make me happy, or even smug.  I still can't afford freaking CDs or DVDs, basically, so I'd really like to torrent and such, but I know that I have come to the conclusion that it's wrong and that I could convince myself to do it anyway . . . but so I won't.

It's not entirely unlike the paranoia.  It's self-consistent, but probably divorced from reality.  And I can't say I recommend it.

The DHS has no business whatsoever in the IP arena, and personally I regard it as utter and outright corruption, period, that they even get involved.  Not their fight, not their territory, not their jurisdiction, and neither cool nor American how they go about it.  Flatly and absolutely a disgrace to every citizen past and present that they do that shit with an official US stamp on it.

One more sign that the DHS was a bad idea, badly implemented.  Shut it down, already.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on February 28, 2011, 10:24:01 PM
Heh, well that makes sense. Like the great Omar Little said, a man got to have a code.

For the record, as a working musician I try not to be hypocritical about this stuff. As I recently said elsewhere, when I first saw my tunes up for download on a Russian pirate site it felt like I had "made it" in an odd sort of way. The idea that people found my music to be worth stealing was strangely gratifying...

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 01, 2011, 07:32:43 AM
Yeah, the closest anyone comes to stealing my IP is when I see people recycling my schtick over at Frak.

In WTF NBA news, the insane racism of Clippers owner Donald Sterling took a newsworthy turn this week when he announced the Clippers would be celebrating Black History Month . . . in March . . . by letting "underprivileged" (black) kids see Clippers games for free!  Which is not actually so generous since their ticket sales are abysmal and of course the kid must be accompanied by a paying adult.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 05, 2011, 07:36:51 AM
Frozen sports moments = gold.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on March 07, 2011, 10:49:22 AM
And the Heat let another big lead devolve into a loss.  This is fun!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 07, 2011, 12:25:00 PM
I know!  It's funny and sad at the same time.  But mostly funny.

They are everybody's schadenfreude punching bag.  They're like 1 and 10 in games where it all comes down to one possession.  WTF?  Bosh isn't at the same level as the other two, but he doesn't suck, and between LBJ and Wade they can never manage to get off a game-winning shot?

They have a losing record against teams that have a winning record.  They blow out bad teams and lose embarrassingly to good ones.  Their poor coach is going to get fired like a Ming vase.

Heat online forums now have Trade LeBron polls (what's the plan there, exactly?) and Is Wade Sorry He Stayed? discussions.  Just bizarre.  If they're having such a hard time adjusting and dealing now, god help them in the playoffs.

They fired their point guard to hire Mike Bibby, who . . . I don't hate Mike Bibby, although he's a very strange guy, but really?  Anyway, their fired PG (Carlos Arroyo) was immediately hired by the Celtics to play backup, but probably mostly because of the extra FU energy he'd bring to any playoff series against the Heat.  :lol:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 19, 2011, 06:00:38 AM
One of the names most frequently mentioned in arguments over who's the best point guard and even who the MVP should be is Derrick Rose, the starting point guard for the Chicago Bulls.  Rose is a pretty awesomely talented player, but for my money he's not the best point guard.

Last night, he had a game against Indiana that sums it up for me.  He played 40 minutes.  He took 27 shots (almost a third of all the shots his team took) and made 11, which is so-so.  He had four rebounds, a blocked shot, and no steals.  He scored 42 points, which is definitely impressive.  And he drew a crapload of fouls (which is an underrated contribution, in general) and made over 85% of his free throws.

But he had two assists.  In 40 minutes.  That is not how a point guard is supposed to play.  He had twice as many turnovers as assists, for crying out loud.  He had more of his shots blocked than he had assists.  Only two other Bulls scored in double digits.

Indiana had twice as many assists, as a team, and they won.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on March 21, 2011, 12:36:57 PM
Joey Rodriguez of VCU just taught me how a point guard is supposed to play.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 07, 2011, 06:25:07 AM
I'm not a proper fan -- among other things, I never get excited for the playoffs.  I prefer the regular season.  Maybe someday when they have computer systems to do the officiating . . . .

Also, almost every time the Miami Heat lose, I say "YES!" and then "You idiots!"  :lol:  I don't really want them to win, but they keep losing games they have no excuse for losing.  I get a weird mix of schadenfreude and disdain.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on April 11, 2011, 08:54:02 PM
nooo not Free Darko! ( (I almost put this in the death pool thread)

Oh well, at least they managed to do a couple of books.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 11, 2011, 08:55:02 PM
That was a great website.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 11, 2011, 09:26:06 PM
Still waiting for Darko to really blossom, though.

The C's have been playing like crap lately, and so the coach rested the starters tonight and let the scrubs play Washington, a bad team with some good players.  The scrubs managed to lose by one point in overtime :eyeroll: , which means the Heat wound up #2 in the East (har har) and the C's wound up third.  I haven't checked how the playoffs will shake out, so it's even possible that the coach and GM were trying for the third slot rather than the second, and it probably doesn't matter.  I can't imagine the C's winning the championship this year, not without Perkins, especially since they literally can't buy a healthy center this year.

But tonight's game was revealing of something weird about the Celtics this year.  Their bench has been consistently bad.  Weirdly so -- good players available, bad players available, it hasn't mattered.  Even in games they've lost badly, the Boston starters have usually kicked the other team's starters, but then Boston's bench has gotten kicked by the other team's bench. 

In tonight's game, the players who usually are the bench were the starters, instead, and it was exactly the same.  Pretty weird.  Tonight's starters outscored Washington's by an average of 11 points per player, but the Boston bench got outscored by Washington's bench by an average of over 17 points.  (I know, they only lost by one point, but that's because of overlap.)  So I guess it really doesn't matter who starts and who's on the bench for Boston.

The turnover of healthy players has been vicious enough so that the bench hasn't been able to practice much as a unit, so maybe that's the problem, but, whatever it is, I can see why the regular starters were so tired.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on April 12, 2011, 09:42:41 AM
Why do I get the Celtics and the Bulls confused?   :nuts:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 12, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
The Bulls seem to be on the way up.  The Celtics seem to be on the way down, a bit.  Mostly, they're just discombobulated.  Trading Perkins may have upset them more than Danny Ainge expected.

Or maybe they'll bounce back in the playoffs.  The Lakers are doing the same thing, trudging through the end of the regular season as if they weren't even going to make the playoffs and don't care.  Of course, a number of star players across the league are clearly more interested in whether there will be a shutdown next season.  The league has to mend fences with both the players' union and the refs' union this summer, and right now the league's attitude is FU.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on April 12, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
I think it has more to do with the fact that the last time I saw them play each other (the CBs and the BCs), the Bulls were wearing green (St. Pat's Day?).  I've been unable to keep from making them a big mash-up team in my brain.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 12, 2011, 09:56:31 AM
Well, hey, that would be a pretty awesome team.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 23, 2011, 10:38:50 AM
A Knicks commentator talking about last night's game:

Watching this game was worse than watching pterodactyl porn, because pterodactyls don't give up as many offensive rebounds.

I guess the Knicks should have traded for some pterodactyls.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 23, 2011, 11:23:02 AM

He really said that? That's ... that's ... I can't imagine.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 23, 2011, 11:48:55 AM
It was a print commentator, not some guy on TV (alas), but yeah.  It was a pretty bad game for the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: the other andrea on April 24, 2011, 05:09:24 AM
Every time I switch to TNT in the last few weeks, I say out loud, "Just how long is the NBA season now?"

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 24, 2011, 08:03:45 AM
Yeah, the NBA playoffs take forever.  The two teams that meet in the Finals could play upto 21 games -- after the regular season's 82 games -- before someone gets the trophy.

There are even more games in baseball, but they're not running around and jumping and slamming into each other and falling on a wooden floor constantly in baseball.  It's not that surprising that so many NBA players are injured half the time.  They should really shorten the season and make playoff tiers best-of-fives instead of best-of-sevens.  But the league wants revenue from every ad they can get.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 29, 2011, 12:09:33 PM
So . . . personal annoyance, here.  The Hornets did not play well, as a team, except for Chris Paul, who played very well and has widely been praised as the single best player of the first round of the playoffs, even though his team got bounced. 

His average stats for the first round:  22 points on 54.5% shooting, 11.5 assists, 6.7 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 3.7 turnovers, 1.8 fouls.  And, yes, that's very good.  But Paul has a relatively easy time racking up points because he's expected to do the most scoring on his team.

Meanwhile, Rajon Rondo has been criticized for inconsistent play in the first round, although praised when he had one of his better games.  He's widely described as not quite a superstar. 

And his stats for the first round:  19 points on 50% shooting, 12 assists, 7.3 rebounds, 1 steal, 3.8 turnovers, 1 foul.  And he's not expected to be a scorer for his team. 

Those are utterly comparable numbers, but Paul is a superstar because . . . he's on a crappier team and looks better by comparison?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 05, 2011, 09:57:27 AM
Miami handily beat the Celtics in the first two games of their series -- and when I say 'beat', I mean beat, causing at least three significant injuries.  Not Miami's previous style at all, and I'm not sure how Boston will respond.  It's kind of a no-win situation for the Celtics.  The refs have not been kind to them so far, and the NBA wants the Heat to be healthy, so the C's have nowhere to go but down if they get equally rough and physical.  Plus, Shaq is still out, so the only real 'big' center they have at the moment is the often-injured Jermaine O'Neal.  One good slam into LeBron, and O'Neal could be out for the rest of the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Dallas beat the Lakers in their first two games, and in LA.  So right now it looks like the Finals will be the Heat against Dallas, Oklahoma City, or Memphis.  I dunno about that.  I don't think any of those Western teams could likely beat Miami unless either LBJ gets foul trouble (which, at present, seems like it's just not happening) or Wade gets injured again.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: the other andrea on May 05, 2011, 02:56:10 PM
Okay, how much longer are these playoff games? I mean, really.  :eyeroll:

EDIT: I'm cranky, my apologies. I don't mean to rain on anyone's enjoyment of the game. I guess I lost my last bit of interest in the NBA when the Sonics left Seattle.  :bummed:

The Portland Trailblazers do nothing for me. It doesn't help Paul Allen owns them.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 05, 2011, 03:17:17 PM
I think they'll be done by September, easy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: the other andrea on May 05, 2011, 03:53:50 PM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on May 05, 2011, 04:13:35 PM
Hella screens (!

LOVED IT. Mavs-Heat would be great because the league can rig it the other way this time, since the Heat have done a heel turn now. Did they take away the Undertaker's undefeated streak at Wrestlemania this year? No! And the crowd loved it. Same thing, really.

You wouldn't know from that interview that Barea had just survived a vicious attack by Artest. I see he's serving a one game suspension ( Pretty cheap foul at the end of the game where everybody who wasn't leaving was booing their home team. This is a different Dallas team--they're physical and they play defense. Nobody thought they had a chance in this series except me and Charles Barkley. Even now the "Mavs are soft" majority are pointing out their two game lead on the Heat where they "choked" if that's what you want to call the D-Wade Free Throw Classic. I hope for the best; Dirk deserves a championship.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 05, 2011, 06:14:13 PM
Dirk and Kidd both deserve, and LeBron really should have gone to Dallas, not Miami, so I would LOVE to see Dallas beat Miami in the Finals.  I think I'd like that better than seeing the Celtics beat the snot out of the Lakers.

Artest's foul was utterly cheap and evil, roughly the same as if he'd clobbered him in the locker room after the game.  I would have given him a two-game suspension.  And it was right after the NBA gave him the Good Citizenship award!  :lol:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on May 05, 2011, 09:24:11 PM
I just want the Fakers to go down hard.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 05, 2011, 09:58:53 PM
Gasol's playing rather poorly, yet again, and his much cheaper brother is playing much better.  I always liked Marc better than Pau, but it took awhile for anyone to agree with me . . . .

Bynum is just too fragile, and he vanishes for entire games -- after which the fans complain that the Lakers didn't force him the ball enough.  Well?  I don't get it.  Unless Kobe hates Bynum, I don't see how this could be such a nearly constant problem.  If anything, if you ask me, they don't get Odom involved often enough.  Get Odom going early, and things seem to take care of themselves for the Lakers.  Stop paying attention to Odom, and he sort of quietly stops paying attention to the game.

I seriously don't know what Gasol's problem is.  He looks like he cares; he often doesn't look like he tries.  Maybe he has chronic stomach problems, or something.

Meanwhile, I don't understand how the Celtics can play so well as a team on defense but rely so heavily on Rondo's magic, Ray Allen's golden shooting, and Pierce's desperation one-on-one skills on offense.  They can set like six or seven screens on a single play and still have Garnett rim out a twelve-footer.  What is that?  How can you mess up the other team's rotations so badly and not get a 5' shot on a mismatch almost every time?

Big Baby regressed like crazy during the second half of the season, the bench is still collapsing in on itself, and Rondo still can't shoot free throws.  To be honest, I'm impressed by a lot of what Boston's coach, Doc Rivers, can do, but offense is not it.  And Boston is still missing Perkins, who they basically traded for an offensive player who still isn't comfortable with his new team.

I really don't think the Hawks can beat Miami.  Chicago is too heavily reliant on a single player.  So right now I see the Heat coming out of the East.  Just please, please, please let whoever comes out of the West nail them.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on May 05, 2011, 10:29:54 PM
Yeah, Lamar is the only one on that team playing like he even cares right now. I think it's because of Kardashian Power. If you're with a Kardashian, you gain skill buffs that allow you to win championships and Super Bowls and whatnot. Then it's gone when they're gone. Look at how the Saints and Cowboys fell apart after Reggie Bush and Miles Austin stopped dating Kim.

I'm sure LA (or at least Lamar) will fight hard to stay in this series, but it will take more than Kardashian Power; they need their bench to play better. Mavs bench for once is surprisingly deep.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 05, 2011, 11:04:07 PM
Ordinarily I'd scoff at the concept of Kardashian Power but I've seen some Kim-in-a-bikini shots lately that have made me into a Believer.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 06, 2011, 03:24:14 AM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 07, 2011, 02:25:02 PM
Well, the Mavs beat the Lakers yet again and went up 3-0 in a best-of-seven.  The Lakers just didn't try that hard -- refs or no refs, any game where Kobe gets just one free throw points to a basic tactical catastrophe.  And something's clearly wrong with Pau Gasol.

If Marion keeps playing well, Stojakovic keeps rebutting reports of his demise, and Butler ever comes back from injury, the Mavs really have a hell of a team, I must say.

Will the Celtics kick Miami in the crotch tonight or also go down 3-0?  I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on May 07, 2011, 10:27:58 PM
Speaking of cheap shots, D-Wade might have just turned things around for the Celtics with that pro-rasslin arm bar move on Rondo. That's not the kind of game the Heat wants to get into with a strong physical team like Boston. It definitely seemed to wake Garnett up, and afterward the TV guys were showing Rondo's return to the game (dislocated elbow, ouch. "They popped it back in" I heard him say, haha) alongside the famous Willis Reed comeback (

As for the Lakers, I watched almost every Jordan-era Bulls game and I've never seen Phil Jackson as frustrated as he was in Dallas last night, and it was very apparent in his treatment of Gasol. Snoop Dogg says Pau is having "girl problems" so I dunno.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 07, 2011, 10:35:36 PM
Seriously, I don't know what's wrong with Gasol, and I've never been a huge fan, but clearly something is wrong.  And, yeah, Jackson smacked him during a timeout, and he didn't even really react.  God only knows.  Or maybe Snoop Dogg knows.  But I sure don't.

Like I said, Miami really beat up the Celtics during Game 2, to the point that I was surprised I didn't hear more complaints about the officiating.  I think Wade and James, at least, finally got genuinely offended at all the anti-Heat smack talk.  Personally, after the antics at the end of last season and the beginning of this one, I think they have to win two or three titles to redeem themselves.  I was thinking three, earlier, but maybe two titles in a row would make me grudgingly change my mind.

Starting hard-foul matches against Boston is pushing their luck, though.  Boston has four starters who will play through ridiculous pain, plus Jermaine O'Neal, who's certainly accustomed to being injured.  They may not have Tony Allen or Perkins anymore, but Davis is a big resilient dude, and Shaq would not mind shoving LeBron a few times.  And Boston's bench may be confused, but they still have a lot more depth.  Boston could lose Garnett or Pierce or Ray Allen or probably even Rondo, but Miami can't afford to lose Wade or James.

Miami's just lucky they didn't wind up having to try this brand of play against Orlando, because Dwight Howard would have ended someone's season.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 08, 2011, 11:11:50 AM
 God only knows.  Or maybe Snoop Dogg knows.  But I sure don't.

Am TOTALLY quoting you out of context on this, thx
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 08, 2011, 02:40:48 PM
Per Sports Illustrated, Snoop Dogg and Magic Johnson have said the Lakers should trade Gasol to Orlando for Dwight Howard.  That's like trading a Mustang for a Ferrari.  If you can, sure, but good luck getting that deal in the first place.  I can imagine Howard wanting out of Orlando if the Magic can't improve the team significantly over the summer, but the Lakers would have to give up a LOT. 

Personally, I wouldn't take Gasol and Bynum for Howard.  If Howard was going to leave one way or the other, there are still plenty of teams that would jump at the chance to trade for him.  Howard is a rare piece to build around.  Gasol and Bynum are both pieces to put around a piece like Howard -- or Kobe, or Derrick Rose, or so on.  That keystone is the part that's much harder to get.

Meanwhile, Gasol's stock is clearly dropping like a rock right now, and Bynum's injured way too much of the time.  If the Lakers are going to get blown up and rebuilt, I think they may have to do it by dumping players and freeing up money, not straight-up trades.  But if they change the salary system next season, who knows, anyway?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 08, 2011, 05:05:25 PM
Wow.  And ouch.

Bynum and Gasol combine to go 6-17 in the most must-win game of the entire season, for Phil Jackson -- one of the biggest coaches of all time, in his last game.

Yeah, good luck trading them for big pieces.  Especially since LA got Gasol in a 'gift' trade in the first place.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 08, 2011, 10:14:31 PM
Well, that was a bang, not a whimper.

Oh wait. Odom is whimpering. n/m.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 09, 2011, 07:19:42 AM
Odom should be embarrassed -- he didn't play well, and his foul on Nowitzki was a cheap way to get ejected.  But Bynum's punk attack on Barea was ridiculous, and then Bynum acted like he'd won a heavyweight fight by blindsiding a guy a foot shorter and, what, 120 lb smaller?  And it's the same guy that Artest blindsided earlier in the series!  Just sad, really.

So, apparently Phil Jackson's last game.  His worst playout loss ever (36 points!) and the only time one of his teams was ever swept -- and he has the most playoff appearances of any coach ever, apparently.  AND he complained about the refs a bit earlier, and so the day of his wretched embarrassing loss the league also fined him $35k.

The game didn't even make much sense.  The Lakers just kind of gave up after about sixteen or seventeen minutes.  Kobe scored 13 in the first quarter and then just four points in the entire rest of the game.

They're still saying the Lakers should trade Bynum for Howard.  I still don't think they should even say that without adding that they'll have to include Odom, four draft picks, and Bynum's weight in diamonds.  I mean, on average:

Howard:  23 points on 60% shooting, 14.1 rebounds, 2.5 blocks, 1.5 steals per game this season.

Bynum:  11.3 points on 57% shooting, 9.4 rebounds, 2 blocks, .5 steals per game this season.

Probably even more importantly, in the last three seasons, Bynum played in 70 fewer games than Howard, because he's always injured.  And it's not just the last three seasons.  Bynum entered the league the year after Howard but has missed two entire seasons' worth of games, so he's played 235 fewer games.  He's like a car that has low mileage because it doesn't run.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on May 09, 2011, 09:50:48 AM
I, for one, welcome our new Maverick overlords, and am almost willing to accept the Capitals sweep for the Lakers'.   :D
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 09, 2011, 11:23:19 AM
I kind of hope they go all the way, on account of the fact that I like Dirk.

I am feeling bad for Derek Fisher and Phil Jackson. They deserved better.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 09, 2011, 02:40:40 PM
I feel a little bad for Fisher, I suppose, and some of the other 'minor' Lakers -- Brown and Blake and everybody's favorite punching bag, Luke Walton.

I feel bad for Jackson only because it was such an ignominious finale to his career.  He should have quite a year ago, but I can imagine that -- even putting the millions of dollars aside -- it was hard to turn down a shot at a fourth three-peat. 

But he always enjoyed having the best teams, which not many coaches get to do, after all, and he was always a bit of a dick.  Complained about the refs almost every time his teams lost, and about half the time when they won.  Mocked other teams, even ones that won the championship. 

He famously (and peevishly) said San Antonio's 1999 title should have had an asterisk next to it because that year's season was shortened by a lockout.  Well, now his career has an asterisk.  Maybe it's just karma.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on May 09, 2011, 04:35:56 PM
Bynum should have just given up and done his pose ( instead. And Lamar going out early in the fourth? Lamar? Normally he'd be a candidate for the Lady Byng...anyway they fell apart but that's good because it makes people keep sleeping on the Mavs, who shot the lights out. Like Denzel said in that football movie, Leave No Doubt...they knew the reffing would be rigged against them, so they had to push the game to a level where it didn't matter, and for once they have a team that's able to do that and it's exciting. Truly a great day in Dallas basketball history (there haven't been many).

Yeah it was sad for Phil, who had never been swept in a series before; Michael Jordan still hasn't. People forget with all the "Zen Master" stuff that Phil was an especially thuggy player back in his day. I enjoyed his postgame reply after Carlisle had said something about maybe he'll smoke some peyote and get a vision and decide to come back: "Well actually, you don't smoke peyote..."

Also enjoyed that his last press conference question ever came from hilarious Dallas sports radio throwback "reporter" Scoops Callahan ( (hey, Ovechkin finds him amusing (

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 09, 2011, 05:46:25 PM
Bynum should have just given up and done his pose instead.

:spittake:  :rollin:  For a good twenty seconds, maybe more, I did not realize that was a game.  The last time I saw a basketball video game, it was not that realistic.  Although the closeups of that one are HILARIOUS.  They all look like they play for Uncanny Valley High.

Bynum seems to be doing the LOOK AT MY WINGSPAN pose.  He totally should do that in real life.  I also love the guy saying "Garnett looks crazy!"  Have you not seen Garnett in an actual game?  Yes, he looks crazy.  :lol:

The Mavs used a strategy that was brilliantly simple:  Dirk menaces, the defense goes to him, and the team passes the ball to an open outside shooter.  If you can shoot the three, it's a marvelous weapon.  No one wants to foul someone who's shooting a three.  And the Mavs have three-point shooters, obviously.  And Dirk is hardly an empty threat, either.

The Lakers have three big guys to defend the paint.  That didn't work too well against the Mavs, who just said, fine, have the paint.  :lol:  Then their bench outscored the entire Lakers team from outside.  The thing is, they shot the lights out, but they didn't have to.  If they'd shot that many threes and hit only 40% instead of 62.5%, they still would have won by 15 freaking points.  I mean, they still would have won by 15 freaking points!  And they can definitely consistently hit threes at 40%, which does not bode well for any team that can't rotate and defend the perimeter.

The Mavs are actually the oldest team (combined ages) in the league.  And Kidd, Marion, and Stojakovic are all supposedly washed up.  Kidd actually has a good efficiency by my formula, though -- he's up there, for point guards, and he's one of those smart veterans.  He rebounds well for a point guard, he can hit free throws, he actually averages more steals than fouls (!), and he can hit the three well enough to be dangerous out there.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 09, 2011, 07:09:32 PM
I was thinking what a throwback of a strategy that was, to throw the basketball through the hoop from some distance away. It's almost radical. I mean it seems like ever since they stopped making rules to try and stop Darryl Dawkins from breaking backboards, that the strategy has been to dunk at every possibility and actually shooting (you know, like, jump shots) is the fallback, last-resort, shot-clock-running-out tactic.

I know that's not right, but I mostly watch highlight reels these days :galm:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on May 09, 2011, 08:05:28 PM
Bynum should have just given up and done his pose instead.

:spittake:  :rollin:  For a good twenty seconds, maybe more, I did not realize that was a game.  The last time I saw a basketball video game, it was not that realistic.  Although the closeups of that one are HILARIOUS.  They all look like they play for Uncanny Valley High.

2k11 is waaay better ( In fact, that "NBA Elite" game being played in the Bynum clip was scrapped entirely, partially because the original clip got over a million hits and partially because 2k11 was unquestionably superior, even without the Jordan stuff. Every player's shot is modeled exactly, so if you know when, say, Rondo normally releases the ball on a jump shot or free throw, you'll be better equipped to make those shots in the game. I'm still pretty amazed by it, especially after years of those old Sega games and etc.

But yeah, the Mavs have a different look this year. OKC and Memphis are good teams though, even a trip to the Finals isn't set in stone but it's more hopeful than usual.

(eta: yes outside shooting is more the thing again nowadays but in the playoffs it still often comes down to who owns the paint)

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 09, 2011, 10:33:06 PM
The thundarr just came back from 18 points down to tie.
U3 says the refs are compensating because they were extra hard on them in the first half. Explains how Kevin Durant was able to run from midcourt to dunk the ball without bouncing it once. :eyeroll:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on May 10, 2011, 08:34:49 AM
I think the whole traveling concept is, at best, extremely fuzzy.  Or maybe their strides are so long that it seems impossible someone could have covered that much ground without traveling.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 10, 2011, 09:43:28 AM
That ended up being a heckuva game. :detta:
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Post by: random axe on May 10, 2011, 11:08:23 AM
Traveling is a bit of a mess -- the players, especially, don't agree on what it means.  Witness LeBron's infamous explanation of his 'crab dribble', which he and the refs don't think is traveling even though everyone else does.  And now the league head office wants to muck up the goaltending rules.  The issue of offensive fouls is the worst, though.  No one seems able to agree on how the restricted area works, or intentionally hitting a defender with your arms while you're holding the ball.  The rules are ambiguous.

There are also some things that simply don't get called.  I don't mean palming; I mean things like going up for a block and dragging the shooter down by his collar, which happens a lot.  I like Dwight Howard, but I bet an average of three times per game he pulls a shooter down by the jersey, and that ain't legal.  Still, they let people get away with that, people are going to keep doing it.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 11, 2011, 01:12:03 PM
Brian Shaw has always been there ...  ( :cry:

And to think I knew him back we were students at UCSB together.

(actually don't think that, I didn't know him)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 11, 2011, 01:41:59 PM
Wow.  I never heard that about his family before.  He's a good guy, though, no question, and I do hope he's the next Lakers coach.

Man, the Reggie Lewis thing still depresses me.  I was living near Boston at the time, a rabid fan, my ex was at Northeastern . . . it was awful.  He was the nicest guy in pro sports, seriously.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 11, 2011, 09:12:27 PM
Well, that was fairly sad.  I don't know if it was the refs or just a fear of going to the hoop, but more than anything else, statistically, it's free throws that killed Boston in this playoff series.  In the games they lost, they lost by an average of about 9.5 points and scored an average of 8.5 points fewer on free throws.  They mostly shot a better percentage from the line, but they took 45 fewer free throws over those four games.  Ouch.

The one game they won, both teams hit 14 free throws.  :huh:  Boston only has two inherently aggressive offensive players -- Pierce, who can be stymied by getting called for an offensive foul, and Rondo, who's afraid to draw fouls because he can't shoot free throws for crap.  (Seriously, Rondo, I don't care if you never improve your outside shooting, but you're a penetrator; you NEED to learn to shoot free throws.)

Anyway, I didn't want to jinx it, but I knew the season was over when Rondo dislocated his elbow.  Tough to play with one arm, especially when you're a defensive star.  Tonight, Pierce picked up fouls early like there was a bulk discount, and that's the end right there.

The Boston bench has been horrible, for whatever reason, since the big Perkins trade, but that almost doesn't matter too much for this series since Miami's bench is pretty lame.  Still, Davis's production was about half what it was during the normal season, Nate Robinson's instant offense was gone to Oklahoma, and the alleged steal of the trade, Jeff Green, never meshed.

Now we just gotta hope that Atlanta or Chicago can somehow knock off Miami.  Barring that, please, Dallas, chew them up like a dog biscuit.  :pray:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on May 12, 2011, 08:45:25 AM
I wasn't watching closely, but I kept hearing the phrase "another Boston turnover".  Those almost never help the cause.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 12, 2011, 09:04:16 AM
The sonic boomers seem to be on a roll.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 12, 2011, 09:33:30 AM
I wasn't watching closely, but I kept hearing the phrase "another Boston turnover".  Those almost never help the cause.

Nooo . . . no, not so helpful.  The starters were clearly tired and worn out -- Rondo apparently didn't even play during the fourth quarter -- and the bench (aside from Delonte West) was having trouble even catching the ball.  Allen was still laboring with the chest injury he got earlier in the series, Rondo and Delonte and (of course) Jermaine were all being tended by the trainers when they weren't on the floor, and Shaq didn't play at all.  His career is apparently over. 

I don't know if the Perkins trade was a disaster, but it sure didn't help us this season.  Davis is a free agent next season, but his play during the second half of the season pretty much kills his chances of getting great money elsewhere.  My guess is that they'll try again next season and just (A) try to get a new center (oops) and (B) get the bench up to speed.  No idea what was wrong with Davis, really.

Last night, Wade carried the Heat until the last five minutes or so, when the score was tied.  Then LeBron scored the last ten points of the game by himself.  The End.  I kind of hope the Heat faces Atlanta -- I think Chicago has a better chance of beating them, but Atlanta would play rough in ways that Boston obviously wasn't prepared to.  Considering the lumps Boston took in this series, it seems unfair for the Heat to wind up in the Finals without taking a few, themselves.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: feffer on May 12, 2011, 12:16:42 PM
The sonic boomers seem to be on a roll.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 12, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
Vicious rumours, paranoic fears
Sonic boomers ringing in your ears
And now I know why all the headaches come
And why you're getting progressively numb
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 13, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Bulls - Heat.  :hmm:  Crazy old Carlos Boozer seems to have mysteriously returned to Chicago, which could make a big difference.  Chicago definitely could beat Miami -- if they can draw fouls.  If they can't, Miami will beat them up, down, and just plain beat them.

Now that the season's over, the Celtics turn out to have been much more injured than reported, with knee, foot, and back problems all over.  Fans who were pleasantly surprised that Jermaine O'Neal actually wasn't too injured to play, for once, are probably nodding upon learning he may have been playing but had a serious back injury and a fractured wrist that he's now getting surgery for.

I'm starting to think Miami's real victory in the series was not getting bitten by a zombie.  I'm actually glad Boston's out of it now, because they need to stop before something gets permanently broken.  Go sit in the whirlpool tub.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 14, 2011, 09:47:26 AM
So . . . I have no idea if this is true, but it's kind of funny . . . they're now saying that what went wrong with the Lakers is Kobe Bryant's wife.  Allegedly she has a history of disliking his teammates and messing with them.  Some people may remember that she got Karl Malone out of LA by calling his wife and telling her that Malone had been flirting with her.  (A number of sources have said that Malone was flirting with her.)

Now they're saying that she hates Pau Gasol and told Gasol's girlfriend to break up with him just before the playoffs.  Gasol has recently said that the breakup is why he played like crap.

If it's true, I don't blame her for making Kobe miserable, but it seems unfair to the rest of the team.  :shrug:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 14, 2011, 10:52:37 AM
She certainly has cause.

But dang, that is interesting. It's plausible.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on May 16, 2011, 04:25:10 PM
Keep pissing her off Kobe.  I'd love to see the Fakers lose every game from here on out!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 16, 2011, 07:22:29 PM
Chicago utterly pantsed the Heat the other night, and it was pretty interesting.  Derrick Rose was the MVP, and he was great in that game, but I still don't think he's a great point guard.  To me, a great point guard needs to average double-digit assists.  Rose is a great scoring machine, but in his prime Steve Nash could score 25 and still dish out 12 assists. 

Anyway, Chicago's coach, Tom Thibodeau, was Coach of the Year . . . and was the Celtics defensive coach when they won the title.  Now Chicago has the unbeatable defense.  But they beat the Heat by playing four games:  Bulls vs Dwyane Wade.  Bulls vs LeBron James.  Bulls vs Chris Bosh.  Bulls vs the rest of the Heat.

They won all of those handily except the Chris Bosh matchup, and I think that's a three-out-of-four that will always result in a Bulls win.  They were able to defend without getting called for too many fouls, and it turns out that Luol Deng, Taj Gibson, and Joakim Noah can combine to guard Wade and LeBron.

How bad of a beating was it?  Never mind that they won by 21 points.  Every single Bull had a positive +/- number overall, meaning that the Bulls outscored the Heat regardless of which players were on the floor.  Every Heat player had a negative +/-.  That's thorough.

I think the Heat are going to have to rely on putting the ball in Wade and LeBron's hands, having them go into the paint and try to make something happen, and hope they draw a lot of fouls.  That's not how the Heat ought to try to win, but as a team they just don't function as well as the Bulls.  The Bulls are playing exactly the way the Celtics were supposed to -- again, the coaching is directly related -- but they're healthier, have a bench that's working, and are just executing better than Boston was able to.

Go Bulls.

Meanwhile, the Thunder and Mavs go at it for the West.  I'm happy with either team winning.  If the Bulls can beat Miami, I'm happy no matter who wins the title!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on May 17, 2011, 11:51:11 AM
Concur there.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 17, 2011, 10:24:44 PM
NBA lottery was tonight.  Whee!  Sort of.  Still, a couple of notable / funny events:

- Minneapolis was the top seed . . . yet again.  They had a 25% chance of getting the top pick . . . and they missed it.  Yet again.  According to ESPN, they've been the top seed a staggering fourteen times and have never gotten the top pick.  Ouch!  Especially since, to be the top seed, you have to have the worst record that year.  That's a lot of sucking for not much juice.

- When LeBron left Cleveland like a guy who took his childhood sweetheart to the prom and then proposed to someone else's date right before the big dance, the CEO of the Cavaliers vowed that Cleveland would win a title before LeBron did.  There was much laughter . . . elsewhere . . . and it still looks like a fairly ridiculous boast.  Although that guy, seriously, does shell out some money.

But Cleveland got super-lucky and came up with the #1 pick.  They also have the #4 pick.


/ :pray: the Bulls bounce Miami!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 18, 2011, 11:43:36 AM
SO.  Last night.

Kevin Durant:  10-18 shots, 18-19 on free throws (!), 40 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists for OK City.

Dirk Nowitzki:  12-15 shots, 24-24 on free throws (!!!), 48 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists for Dallas.

Dallas won.  Clearly, the Heat suck.

The funny thing -- the funny thing to me is that when LBJ was teasing the press (and his team) with whether or not he'd leave Cleveland (although everyone knew he would, since he'd been telling other star players that for a couple of years), I said he shouldn't go to Miami, he should go to Chicago or Dallas.  And right now those look like the two teams most likely to beat Miami.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 23, 2011, 11:50:27 PM

He's having a great game.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 23, 2011, 11:51:07 PM
Also? JaBron Lames.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 24, 2011, 06:56:24 AM
Hard not to root against the Heat.  Chicago just has to not get rattled.

Durant's young, and he'll rebound.  It might just be a year early for the Thunder.  What I'm loving about the Mavs is that Nowitzki keeps getting better, and their vets / 'washed up' often-injured stars are still going strong.  It's exactly what the Celtics hoped for but couldn't do.  Marion and Kidd have been great.  And this after a balls-to-the-wall season, too.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on May 25, 2011, 12:44:01 AM
This guy gets it. ( I wanna see Werner Herzog do a whole movie of this.

What do the NBA scriptwriters have in store for us? The Mavs actually got past Crawford (, in a close playoff game! (Again I direct your attention in particular to those two Finals games on that list, if you're not following along with our ongoing narrative about how the league is not unlike pro wrasslin') Are we looking at a possible satisfying Mavs-Heat retribution angle, or is this one of those times when the heel is allowed to win again in order to continue the narrative?  Of course neither series is over yet and anything can still happen, but you wouldn't know it from watching the coverage in either conference and hearing all the analyst-vets be like "body language blahblah, this team is done" and etc (or watching Durant and Rose facepalm their way through their respective interviews)

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 25, 2011, 10:38:05 AM
I'm not sure how much the league nudges stuff around and pushes particular outcomes illegally, although I'm 100% certain it's 'some'.  A few of the Pistons, back when they were still good, claimed they were asked to stretch out a playoff series to make better TV.  They get paid a bonus for each game they play during the post-season, which helps.  Then they got bounced in the next series and were bitter about it.

Dirk was 24 for 24 on free throws in one game . . . and then got like 3 free throws in the next game, and even a bunch of national commentators were all WTF.  They said he got bumped and slapped more than in the first game, but WHATEVER the refs know what they're doing.

I dunno about the other series.  If Noah gets in foul trouble, Bosh suddenly becomes Superman against Chicago.  On the one hand, that makes it awfully easy to nudge those games.  On the other hand, Noah can get himself into foul trouble on his own, no problem.  Derrick Rose had a crappy game last time out, and Chicago's too dependent on him.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 25, 2011, 10:40:02 PM
Well it really looks like OKC has to work on the last five minutes of the game because in the last two of them I have seen they have utterly sucked. Not to take anything away from Dallas but wow.

I'm really rooting for Dirk in the finals. GOOOOO.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 25, 2011, 10:57:38 PM

/bears repeating
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on May 25, 2011, 11:18:41 PM
Finishing out a game is something all successful NBA teams have to learn how to do. OKC looked like the Mavs did quite often in the past. There's really an art to it.

We used to call it "Gary Glitter time" back in the Jordan Bulls days, before GG's whole sex offender thing. That's the time right around the middle or end of the fourth quarter, where you sorta put the other team to sleep while you quietly keep stringing good offense and defense together, and then suddenly your team is up by a bunch and there's a timeout and "Rock and Roll Part 2" plays and Chicago Stadium goes nuts.

(Loved how they politely accepted the conference champion trophy and then left quickly. "Now let's talk to Dirk...oh he's gone already." I watch these guys every year and have never seen this level of focus; they want this title so badly)

(eta: Cuban is currently outside the arena hanging out with the fans and the trophy, haha)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 26, 2011, 12:52:49 AM
:lol:  Cuban's focus has been tremendous this year, too.  No complaining about the refs!  Not to the press, anyway.

The resurgence of Kidd and Marion is pretty excellent.  I've always liked Kidd's game, but the playmakers are my favorite players.  I like Derrick Rose, but he just doesn't get enough assists, for my tastes, no matter how many points he scores.  To me, he's a small shooting guard who hogs the ball, not really a point guard, but I'm a snob that way.  And I wonder if he could coexist with a pass-first point guard . . . .

If the league is pushing a particular outcome to the season, they'd be crazy to want the Heat to win.  The Mavs would be the real story, from every significant angle.  This might be the last chance for this Mavs lineup to go all the way, whereas the Heat have years and years.  And there have been too many just-assembled-superteam championships in the last ten years, between the Lakers and Celtics.  So that story's been done, and it gets old.

You don't get hardcore fanbases unless team lineups stay the same for at least a few years at a time.  You can only have so many Shaqs, superstars bigger than any team identity, who can travel around and around.  In fact, you can only have a very few.  You can't encourage too much mercenary action.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on May 26, 2011, 04:37:24 AM
Heh, yeah the local postgame guys were trying to get Cubes to come over and do an interview when they saw him out there, but he just smiled and shook his head.

Here's the vid of everybody leaving (, haha. Great moment.

Man I wish I could find that article I read awhile back where somebody was arguing that the "true point guard" was becoming unnecessary in the modern game. It was some super bullshit of course; I agree that it's always important to have that solid PG who handles the ball and runs the offense and sets the tempo. Hard to imagine that ever really going out of style, even as fundamentals are giving way to physicality more now than in the past. Kidd's game lifts everyone else up too; it's easy to see the effect on players like Barea.

Really I think the Mavs bench is way better than Miami (assuming Chicago doesn't shock the world with a crazy comeback). The Heat had a couple of guys step up for them lately (Haslem, especially) but it's good to have multiple options like Marion and Jet and Barea when other things aren't working. It would mean a lot to the area if they can pull this off.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on May 26, 2011, 09:16:40 AM
Man I wish I could find that article I read awhile back where somebody was arguing that the "true point guard" was becoming unnecessary in the modern game.

Was the author watching the NCAA tournament?  A little Final Four team from VCU with a scrappy PG?  Taught me something about the game, that kid did.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on May 26, 2011, 09:18:15 AM
Well it really looks like OKC has to work on the last five minutes of the game because in the last two of them I have seen they have utterly sucked. Not to take anything away from Dallas but wow.

On Mike & Mike this AM they were interviewing the Mavs coach - said the Mavs outscored the Thunder something like 32-8 in the last five minutes of the last two games combined.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on May 26, 2011, 09:18:46 AM
All of this insightful basketball commentary explains why I have no idea what's going on at the French Open.   :lol:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 26, 2011, 09:43:09 AM

The Heat, alas, have also been finishing games well in the post-season.  It's one of the ways they killed the Celtics, who were out of gas at the end of most games.  But that was partly because the C's had almost no bench left.

Sportswriters have to come up with a column, and then another one, and then another one.  It's inevitable they'll say that the game has changed, and that it's changed fundamentally, and that some players eat peanut butter before a game while others eat spaghetti.  They have to say something.

Changes in the rules do change the game, and some teams need a proper point guard less than others.  The Heat, for instance, since Wade can certainly play pretend point guard, and LeBron can as well if he remembers to.  And the Lakers had Magic, of course.  A really good point guard, though, will get you more points out of your team for less effort while making the other team work harder -- and they'll keep your players happier by keeping everyone involved.

In the articles arguing that Kidd might be one of the best point guards of all time, a couple of writers have noted that Stockton, by modern stat mashes and analysis, might have been as good an offensive player as Jordan.  And Stockton was one of the highest-assist point guards of all time.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 27, 2011, 07:18:05 AM
So . . . it's Heat-Mavs.  I don't think Dallas has ever had as many people root for it.  Not even when J. R. got shot.

Thing is, the Heat played sloppily in several games and then came back viciously in the last few minutes to win.  They were down by 12 in the last three minutes last night, for instance.  The Mavs have also come back from behind to win in the last half of the last quarter during the post-season, but those games were more closely fought.  Miami didn't have much excuse for being down 12 near the end last night, because Chicago wasn't playing that well.

But the main problem is that you can't count on playing the last six minutes like the first six minutes.  Sometimes people are on the verge of fouling out.  Or tired.  Or hurt.

But mostly, if both teams play that way, it's going to come down to the refs.  UGH.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 27, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
Speaking of the outcome depending on the refs, this doesn't bode well (

Derrick Rose tries for the ball, misses everything; LeBron gently hits himself in the face with the ball and then goes into Samson Agonistes

And he got the call.  I do hope the ref saw the replay later and felt bad.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on May 27, 2011, 05:36:28 PM
NBA refs are soulless.  They do exactly as their told.  NBA < legitimate than WWE
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 29, 2011, 03:21:54 PM
So, OK, possibly historically awesome trade in the works, although of course it may never happen.

Cleveland currently has the #1 draft pick, and also the #4.

Detroit has the #8 pick.  They also have Richard Hamilton, a good veteran player who's (A) overpaid and (B) in a longterm feud with Detroit's coach.  He basically hasn't played for the Pistons this past year and is costing them a fortune in wasted salary, with another two years on his contract.

Minnesota has the #2 pick.

SO.  Cleveland wants to get Hamilton and the #8 pick from Detroit, which would let Detroit dump Hamilton's salary and go hire someone else.  Someone good, because that's a buttload of money.  (Then Cleveland would buy Hamilton out, and he'd probably sign with Chicago, which is win-win-win.)  Then Cleveland would trade the #4 and #8 picks to Minnesota for the #2 pick.

Cleveland would then have both the #1 and #2 picks.  Everybody wins!

But Detroit might not do it without additional incentives.  If this coming year has a lockout, then they won't have to pay Hamilton's full salary that year, so they may be less worried about that.  But we'll see.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 03, 2011, 01:13:47 PM
That was a fantastic game last night, I thought. If the Mavs pull this off they might as well start carving Dirk's bust for the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 03, 2011, 02:45:58 PM
Both of these teams have an ability to crank it up to 11 in the fourth quarter, as I mentioned before.  It makes for interesting games, and no lead is safe.  When the Mavs flounder late, it's usually because of foul trouble, and I thought Chandler's foul trouble was going to doom Dallas in this one.  The officiating was kind of questionable at times, but no one seems to agree which team, if either, got better treatment.  The pressure on the refs in these games must be pretty huge, regardless.

Nowitzki is the MVP of the post-season so far.  Even if Miami takes this by brutal force and James carries them, I still think Nowitzki will probably deserve the award.  He's been incredible.  And Shawn Marion has been awesome.

LBJ tried hard last night, but -- whether this is good or bad -- he doesn't carry his team.  Nine times out of ten, it's either Wade or nobody.  If Wade gets too hurt, I don't see Miami winning this; if he stays healthy, I wouldn't want to place a bet.  If his career ends prematurely, I don't know what would happen in Miami.

Still really, really hoping Dwight Howard doesn't end up in Miami.  I'd rather see him join the Lakers than the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on June 03, 2011, 10:52:30 PM (

Honestly, just looking at the quarter-by-quarter stats vastly understates the magnitude of Dallas' comeback.

They were down 88-73 with 6 minutes and 19 seconds left in the game. Using the win probability methodology Wayne Winston laid out in Mathletics, a team winning by 15 at home with 6.32 minutes left in the game should win 99.978% of the time, putting the chances of a Dallas comeback at 1 in 4,550. As a second opinion, Ed Kupfer's win probability metric says a team winning by 15 at home with 6:19 to play should win 99.592% of the time, making the Mavs' comeback a 1 in 245 proposition.

Either way, Miami was less than a half of a percentage point away from taking a 2-0 lead to Dallas and giving themselves a 79% probability of winning a championship. Instead, they now sit at 46%. It's not quite on the level of Dallas blowing a 90% chance in 2006... but it's shockingly close.

Super d-bag performance by D-Wade all the way through, too. The flopping and diving (esp. the one at the end of the game with no one near him) would have made a calcio player blush.

Anyway, it was glorious.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 03, 2011, 10:54:29 PM
Anyway, it was glorious.

... glorious!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 04, 2011, 06:02:57 AM
Well, if the refs fall down on the job, maybe the Organians will step in, however reluctantly.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 04, 2011, 11:33:47 AM
This is off topic but night before last I woke up with the amazing, fantastic idea that some dedicated otaku should take all of the original series and assemble clips and dubs and some new effects and cut it all into Spock Must Die.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on June 12, 2011, 10:16:27 PM

omg NBA Champs! this is so great!! can't say much more right now, everybody's just enjoying the moment

in the meantime, here's a funny video (

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 12, 2011, 10:33:41 PM

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I'll be honest -- I couldn't bear to follow the game live, so this is where I heard it first.

Now I have to go look at the box score and such, but I'll save the highlight reels for tomorrow.

SO AWESOME though.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on June 13, 2011, 02:25:07 AM
coupla late night notes:

*Mavs only brought one suit each to Miami, even though there were two games left. They were determined to finish it out tonight, a la the 08 Celtics. Like Denzel said in that football movie, Leave No Doubt.

*they are currently up in the hottest club in Miami ( with the trophy ( love it!

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on June 13, 2011, 08:45:25 AM
Mavs up in da clerb!  Seriously, did the Heat even show up for the second half?  There was no suspense after the Mavs jumped out to the 12-point lead and the Heat then went on a 14-0 run.  (I was also dozing off; I may have missed a few things.)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 13, 2011, 09:14:12 AM
And the Mavs won last night despite a huge advantage in free throws for the Heat.  Can't blame the refs.

Bosh played well.  Wade was forcing it.  LeBron vanished after the first half.  Dirk was going to be the best player in the Finals even if Miami had won it.  But this is so much better.  It was a weird year, with both Boston and the Lakers imploding, but Dallas looked like they would've beaten anyone, anyway.

And, man, if Cuban had just kept Nash, they might've been on their third title here.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 13, 2011, 09:19:47 AM
From a Sports Illustrated column (

The entire narrative of James' career has become about schadenfreude (a German word! Go Dirk!)

:lol:  The schadenfreudest!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 13, 2011, 04:58:10 PM
Mark Cuban had David Stern award the championship trophy to Donald Carter, the original owner of the Mavs.  He started the team in 1980.

Classy stuff.  Carter's 77, and apparently he and his wife still go to Mavs home games regularly.  He sold the team (to Ross Perot Jr) back in 1996, and Cuban bought it in 2000.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on June 13, 2011, 05:06:27 PM
Way to go Cuban!  And congrats to the Mavs!  I heard it on the radio this morning.  Too much life interference for me to watch.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 13, 2011, 09:45:06 PM
It's not so much the Heat -- it's the humility.

Today, Ohio Governor John Kasich called LeBron a dick by praising Nowitzki for re-signing with the team that had brought him up, and he declared the entire Maverick team "honorary Ohioans" with "all the privileges and honors due".

That's great, but I lived in Ohio for a few years, and what I mostly remember as being unique were the landfills and the mold, plus the abundance of road signs warning about cemetery entrances and a possible absence of edge lines, and the shortage of speed limit signs. 

It was a nice enough state, but mostly in nice enough ways, if you know what I mean.  I probably missed out on the privileges and honors, though.  I didn't look around all that much. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: feffer on June 13, 2011, 09:53:06 PM
How dare you impugn Mt. Rumpke.


It's such a patriotic mountain.   :US:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 13, 2011, 10:14:32 PM

That's not a landfill is it?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 13, 2011, 10:38:57 PM
It started as a valley and became one of the tallest mountains in the state.  When you drive by it on the highway . . . which takes awhile . . . you roll up the windows and shut the vents.  It's like driving through a giant dumpster.

It's way bigger than it looks in that photo, too.  :lol:  And the year before I got to OH, Mount Rumpke was struck by lightning and caught fire.  For awhile.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 13, 2011, 10:40:30 PM
Oh my gawd! :galm:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on June 14, 2011, 12:08:54 PM
Don Carter started the Mavs mostly because his wife liked basketball. He's kept his courtside seats all these years and still has a small ownership stake. It was a nice gesture, plus it neatly sidestepped the whole "haha, can't wait to see Stern's face when he has to give Cuban the trophy" thing. Cuban has handled the postseason like a champ all the way through.

Sports Guy's Game 6 diary ( is a good summary of the proceedings.

In addition to the Ohio thing, I see Obama is in Puerto Rico today talking about possibly making them the 51st state, presumably as a result of JJ Barea's amazing performance throughout the playoffs.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 14, 2011, 12:37:18 PM
Every once in a while I read a column by Bill Simmons that I really, really love. This is definitely one of those. The footnotes alone are priceless.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on June 16, 2011, 01:04:33 AM
Flula's Star Wars analogy ( is some of the most insightful commentary I've seen so far about these Finals.

Much more preferable than the mainstream narrative where it's not so much the Mavs won but more that the Heat lost. (And I guess the Lakers decided to give up and let themselves be swept, and the Mavs simply got lucky in coming back after that Brandon Roy game and later getting by a solid OKC team.) Vegas odds are already 10-1 against them to repeat, even with Butler and Roddy being healthy to make up for losing a free agent or two in the offseason.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 16, 2011, 07:13:38 AM

Yeah, I know what you mean.  The Mavs definitely won; they spanked the hell out of the Heat.  This was a battle between two teams that had been kicking ass in the fourth quarter and just overwhelming opponents.  The difference is that the Heat had been playing fairly lazily for most of three quarters and then turning on the star power in the fourth; the Mavs had been playing solidly as a team and picking up momentum as the game went along, plus a number of people amping it up in crunch time (especially Dirk, but also Barea and Jet, obviously).

Other teams collapsed against the Heat stars, but the Mavs did not.  Instead, they kept playing the way they'd been playing.  They didn't worry about fouling James and Wade and didn't suffer any failures of confidence.  They did the teamwork thing that Boston did when they won the title a few years ago.  And they won convincingly.

They seem to be in good shape for next year, but weirdly different commentators have been throwing out really different numbers.  If the one-player amnesty rule goes through, though, they'll probably cut poor Hayward, which would give them like another $8 million for signing free agents.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 16, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
If I Could Be Like Dirk (;_ylt=AoKPjbDt30UJGvvcTp0iMRu8vLYF?urn=nba-wp5111)

Funny idea, fairly funny execution.  I laughed, but not out loud.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on June 16, 2011, 09:46:24 PM
Dirk sings! ( Heh, this was the best moment of today's victory parade (200,000 attendees, no riots)

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 16, 2011, 10:01:30 PM

It's a big win for America.  And possibly Germany.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on June 17, 2011, 09:03:20 AM
Stay Soft, Dirk Nowitzki (

I love the last couple of lines of this article:  And in the end, isn't that the really successful American story? You know, the one about how the immigrant assimilates and changes us for the better, not the other way around.

I only wish the people we nearly eradicated to take over this land had the privilege of agreeing with the sentiment.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on June 17, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
America Just Now Remembering How Much They Hate Dallas (,20822/)

(bonus: Cleveland Pathetically Celebrates Greatest Sports Moment In City’s History (,20819/))

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 17, 2011, 09:32:04 PM
Heh.  It's arguably funnier that Cleveland had the time of its life celebrating someone else's sports victory.

Mark Cuban is not that bad -- not for a dotcom billionaire, not for a guy who's constantly in the press just because he's a rich guy who likes to do and say whatever he feels like, and certainly not for a sports team owner.  Yes, he bitches at the refs, etc, but not more than Phil Jackson.  He's an owner, not a coach, so he's not supposed to do that.  Frankly, I like how hands-on he is . . . without ruining everything ([cough cough] Knicks).

And if you were a player, would you not want this guy to be your owner?  He wants to be your buddy.  This is an owner who not only is a psycho fan (most owners could give a shit) but even understands the game itself.  His attitude is that nothing is too good for his players.  The Mavs locker room is literally world-famous for its amenities.  He did trade Steve Nash, but no one's perfect.

Now Jason Kidd . . . I don't know WTF happened in his marriage.  Obviously we heard bad things about him, but later there were plenty of bad things reported about her, and way back when he pleaded guilty to domestic abuse, there were rumors that he was just trying to save the marriage and not stoke any drama.  A lot of people have said that she is/was genuinely crazy.  I don't know, and I do absolutely have concerns, but he's taken more shit over it than Kobe took for raping an allegedly borderline mentally handicapped teenager.

That stuff aside, not that I'm trying to marginalize it, Kidd was a classy player who played hard when his team was good and played hard when his team stunk.  He started in Dallas and came back to Dallas, still playing well at 38, to finally win a ring.  He's in third place for most triple-doubles ever and second place for most triple-doubles in the playoffs.  He's got the second-most assists ever.  He's the current most-games-played active player.  He's got two Olympic gold medals.

Seriously, it's not that hard to be happy for him finally winning the championship.  The Mavs are one of the least-hateable teams ever.

Dallas, the city, eh.  When the show was on, when the Cowboys were excessively pumped-up by the media everywhere.  I don't hear a lot of Dallas hate these days.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 18, 2011, 09:42:26 PM
This is sad (for me) -- the Celtics may be kind of screwed next year, in that they went from having half a dozen centers at one point last year to now having just one, Jermaine 'Glass Jaw' O'Neal.  And he's not even a true center.  Shaq retired, Perkins was traded, Krstic went to play in Russia . . . who else . . . Troy Murphy is technically still with the team at the moment, I think, but he's not a true center either, and he's kind of a bench player.  No offense to him.  But, uh, he's been in the league ten years, and this past year was the first time he played in a playoff game.

Meanwhile, the C's are way over the salary cap even if the cap wasn't going to be lowered, which everyone assumes will happen.  And there aren't a lot of centers out there that they could get.

At this point, people are arguing that Kwame Brown is the best bet, if they can even get him.  Kwame Brown.  A guy widely regarded as one of the biggest busts of the last decade.  I'd rather have Darko, who at least is younger and has a cool name.  (NOT because he's white.)  Besides, Darko's main problem seems to be his attitude, and the C's have been pretty good about rehabilitating attitudes.  Better than the Pistons and Timberwolves, anyway.

Kwame Brown!  Oy.  But I guess this increases our chances of keeping Big Baby.  We need all the big guys we can get.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 20, 2011, 07:41:14 PM
I realize this is of limited interest, but speaking of Big Baby:  Glen Davis wasn't mentally ready for the playoffs ( 

Which was obvious from how he played, but, uh:

"I feel I know what's most important to me and that's Glen being Glen. I can't perform the way I need to perform if I'm not Glen Davis. I need to be in situation where I'm going to be Glen Davis. If it's here with the Celtics or with somebody else. I just want to make sure I'm Glen Davis, whatever I do, wherever I'm at. That's all I'm really concentrating on, being Glen Davis, and being a complete player.  [...]  I can be Glen Davis wherever.  It depends on the system, the people around the system, who is going to let Glen Davis be Glen Davis, not let Glen Davis be something they think he should be."


Sounds like he needs to prepare mentally for giving interviews.  Poor guy is going to get mocked all over again . . . .
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 22, 2011, 10:46:39 AM
Reportedly, the Lakers are talking to the Timberwolves about trading Pau Gasol for Kevin Love, the #2 pick in the draft, and miscellaneous other pieces to make the salaries match up.

This would be the stupidest thing the Timberwolves have done.  Which is saying a lot.  I wouldn't trade Love for Gasol right now if the draft pick, etc, were on the other side of that equation.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 26, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
I still realize this is of limited interest, and I realize this is a highlight reel that only shows when the player did something right, but . . . this is former Purdue player JaJuan Johnson (

The Celtics picked him 27th in what was reportedly the weakest draft in at least ten years.  He's a skinny (or 'wiry') 6'10" alley-ooping, dunking, blocking, rebounding, fast-breaking, fall-away, step-back, fade-away kid who's comfortable shooting up to 20' from the basket.  He shot three-pointers in college and even hits his free throws.  He's pretty no-nonsense, a good team player, and has a standing jump of over 3'.  He's been injury-free.  He has a jump hook, and his jump shots have a high arc.

The obvious comparison, to Kevin Garnett, is unfair, but weirdly enough Garnett will be his mentor in Boston.  A lot of teams passed him up because he seems too skinny to play power forward in the NBA -- and a lot of analysts assume he may have to play center in Boston.

I say have him take aikido lessons and learn to 'pull the chair'.  Worst case, look elsewhere for weight and keep this kid as a really tall small forward.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on September 14, 2011, 09:59:21 PM
Sarah Palin and Glen Rice ( (Warning: Gawker Media. also followup ( This could have gone in Politics too, but sadly it doesn't look like there will be much NBA news for a while  :cry: (Plus the FIBA tourneys are winding down)

For context, although he doesn't get mentioned as much anymore, Rice was one of Jordan's few contemporaries that he respected game-wise. He won titles in college and the pros.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 14, 2011, 10:56:40 PM
I saw the video clip of her reading the sports on that Alaska TV station and, man, I reached for the remote fast. She really, really sucked. Made you wonder if sucking is how she got that job, ifyaknowwhatImeananIthinkyoudo.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on September 14, 2011, 11:19:00 PM
I admit, I'm more surprised by the Glen Rice thing than the fellatio job application thing.

Weirdly, although I'm rarely there, Deadspin works fine for me even though Gawker sites generally don't.  I had no idea it was Gawkish.  :shrug:

The NBA thing is sad, and my thoughts have gone back and forth.  Sympathies to the 'hot dog vendors', certainly.  But I have to side with the players.  If there aren't enough really good players right now for conference parity, never mind team parity, then obviously the association needs the players more than the players need the association.

If major NBA stars dumped the NBA for new ABA teams in major cities instead of going overseas . . . the NBA teams would be screwed.  If the NBA teams started hiring non-NBA ringers . . . the current NBA stars could still go join ABA teams, and the fans would want to see those teams more than see their 'favorite' teams with lesser talents they'd never heard of.

I think the contract and salary cap system wasn't terribly well-designed and probably needed to be redone from scratch, but not because either group was hurting for cash.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 15, 2011, 10:00:39 AM
If major NBA stars dumped the NBA for new ABA teams in major cities instead of going overseas . . .

ABA? What year is it?

Bring back the red white and blue basketball!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on September 15, 2011, 10:14:20 AM
:lol:  I know!  It looks great in play.

The ABA apparently restarted several years ago, with no connection to the old one.  The NBA allegedly sent them a desist letter to stop using that name, but it didn't stop them.  They're a pretty podunk league, not even up to the NBA's development league, but . . . .

I mean, there are a lot of diehard Lakers fans who love any player who plays for the Lakers, even if they hated him last year on another team.  I get that.  But if Kobe and Gasol switched to the LA Stallions?  Yeah, by the end of the first season, the Stallions could be more popular than the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on September 15, 2011, 12:14:19 PM
Wow.  The ABA was great back in the day.  I hadn't realized there was a new one.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: stormneedle on September 15, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
And knock it off with the thick black section on the water polo balls while you're at it.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 09, 2011, 10:41:25 AM
Lakers tried to trade Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom for Chris Paul (one of the best point guards in the league; a lot of people think he's the best), but the deal went down in flames because (long story short) Paul's team didn't feel it was getting enough back for him.

If you dislike the Lakers, this is hilarious.  Odom plays like crap when he's unmotivated, and the Lakers have done a long, long dance of We Want Odom / We Want To Dump Odom.  And Gasol was second to Kobe, but this can't make him feel loved.  People expected LA to trade Bynum, their often-injured 'superstar' center, not Gasol.

It's also kind of funny, and maybe dumb, because it's hard to imagine a deal this season where New Orleans could get more for Paul than they were offered here.  And since Paul is basically refusing to be traded to anywhere except LA or NYC, there aren't a lot of options.  If they don't trade him, he can opt out next year, and they won't get anything for him.

All that lockout negotiating, and they failed to solve the basic problems.  :shrug:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 09, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
Gasol's collapse last year ... even I noticed. I can't imagine anybody would want him. Dunno about Lamar. But yeah, that wasn't enough for Paul. And I gather it is the league that owns the Hornets? interesting.

Also the Hornets' team color is this kind of teal-ish blue. How much less sense could that make? None. None less sense.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 09, 2011, 01:42:45 PM
Welp.  Gasol still has more mojo than Bynum, and Odom's underrated . . . when he's not mad at management.  Based on cost, I'd much rather have Gasol's younger brother, myself.

They're saying now that the league owners forced the deal off because it wasn't fair for the Lakers to get Paul.  :lol:  But they have a point -- part of the reason for the lockout was that most of the owners wanted rule changes that made it harder for a few big-market teams to grab the best players.  One owner reportedly complained the league would have "25 Washington Generals".

Stern wanted to stop players from dictating where they could be traded.  Not many top players want to play home games in small markets.  Since Paul was demanding to be traded to one of a few teams and nowhere else . . . .

Have to admit that I'm curious how this all shakes out, although I hope the Celtics don't wind up swapping Rondo (and pieces) for Paul.  I like Paul's game, but I don't like it that much.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on December 09, 2011, 03:22:20 PM
I would love to see the trade go down and the Lakers lose a lot because their two superstars didn't get along.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 09, 2011, 04:37:07 PM
Yeah, I was kind of hoping for that. Kind of Miami-redux.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 11, 2011, 08:52:35 AM
My god, the level of sports commentator butthurt over the cancelled Chris Paul trade is EPIC.  You'd think NBA Commissioner Stern had shot their dog.  The hyperbole and distortion is the kind of thing I hope they're embarrassed about later. 

Yeah, it was a heavy-handed decision, and the Hornets management is rightfully upset -- but the league collectively owns the Hornets, and the management there knows that.  It's a messed up situation in the first place.  Last year, all year, everyone was talking about them just getting rid of the entire team, no more New Orleans NBA.  The league wants to sell the team to a private owner again, and so of course they're going to be picky about trading the superstar. 

Less butthurt and more cooperation probably would have gotten it done, but the Lakers were all Fuck You, Man, and instead traded Lamar Odom to Dallas for . . . nothing.  They're making salary room in the hopes they can get Dwight Howard out of Orlando.  Thing is, they'll really have to sell that one, since Howard wants to go to New Jersey (which is moving to Brooklyn -- well, just the team is moving).

Plus, Gasol is still upset that the Lakers were going to trade him.  Uh, he plays the same position as Howard.  So does the other Laker vanishing superstar, Bynum.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 14, 2011, 08:39:33 PM
And . . . the CLIPPERS get Chris Paul.


Also, the Hornets got a better deal for him this time.  Far as I'm concerned, everything here is appropriate except for the league jerking the Hornets management around.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 07, 2012, 11:05:43 PM
In this nice story about Jamal Mashburn (, there's a link to this more horrifying one (  The horrifying one is meant to be uplifting, but there's this:

The average annual salary in the N.B.A. is $5.85 million, and players are generally secure in the near term. Their retirement years can be completely different. An estimated 60 percent of N.B.A. players are broke within five years of retiring, and 78 percent of N.F.L. players are bankrupt or under financial stress because of joblessness or divorce within two years, according to a report by Sports Illustrated in March. The magazine also reported that many baseball players struggle financially after retirement.

What.  The.  Fuck.  That's even worse than the public perception.  The NBA's union has a Director for Career Development, who in the article mostly talks about NBA players going back to college after their basketball career ends.

Can't help but think the point is being missed.  And that the league is doing its players a violent disservice.  And that this, more than anything else, points to the players' agents as being bloodsucking parasites.  In the NBA, the union has a deal where current players pay into a fund that gives money to older players who were in and out of the league before players got paid much of anything.  It's a hell of a good gesture.

But when you're taking kids 19-21 years old, most of them, and abruptly making them millionaires, couldn't you spare a little money to make sure they learn a little about finance?  Hell, couldn't the league or union hire each of them a financial advisor?  Or set up, I don't know, a goddamned 401k?

The other pro sports too.  Don't get me wrong.  Because this is some crazy epidemic bullshit right here.  And exactly the kind of thing that makes us look really, really bad as a culture.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: stormneedle on January 08, 2012, 01:15:54 AM
401(k) sounds good, but why not take advantage of their star status? "NBA Roth IRA Funds" could be a way to get a lot more people investing.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 08, 2012, 10:06:01 AM
If I were in charge, you'd be hired already.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 12, 2012, 10:39:28 PM
Dear Lebron:

Everything else aside, I must say:  Lose the beard.  It looks idiotic.  It looks like you hopped in a time machine and stole it from a wino in 1978.

In this day when all manner of ridiculous beards are common . . . that is not a beard that belongs on TV, and by the end of a sweaty basketball game it just makes it utterly impossible to take you seriously.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 23, 2012, 10:22:26 PM
The Celtics have been firing on like two cylinders so far this year.  The dumb lockout-shortened no-preseason accelerated-pace season has not helped them.  Honestly -- and this isn't just them, by any means -- how an athlete who gets paid millions of dollars a year can show up at the beginning of a season out of shape is beyond me.  Yes, you're on vacation in between seasons, but being ready to play when the next season starts is part of your job.  You millionaires, you.

Anyway.  The C's have not quite been pathetic, but it's been close.  Point guard, awesome; one bench guy, surprisingly excellent; one rookie, surprising.  The rest have varied between Eh and What The Hell Is Wrong?

Tonight they played Orlando, one of the top four teams.  With the best center in the league.  Boston's center is older and often injured and generally plays like he retired three or four years ago.  Behind him is a first-year player.  Oh, and Boston's two most consistent players, including the awesome point guard (again, somehow they have no actual back-up at that position), are out with injuries.  And so is their second-best bench player.

AND the dumb often-injured old-playing center fouled out in less than twenty minutes.  Good job!

But somehow Boston just won.  87-56.  Orlando usually scores 56 in the first half.  I can't wait to see the write-up later.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 23, 2012, 10:41:40 PM
Orlando's previous all-time record low was 78.

Seriously, that's a messed-up game.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 10, 2012, 10:46:51 PM
LINSANITY (;_ylt=AkwqGy6F9WN0IdlW7jYROe28vLYF?gid=2012021018).


Seriously, though, it's fun.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 11, 2012, 12:15:28 PM
Heh.  In his first three starts in the NBA -- practically his only playing time in the NBA -- he had a total of 76 points (an all-time NBA record for first three games as a starter!) and 25 assists.  Last night against the Lakers, his fourth game as a starter, he had 38 points (on 57% shooting) and 7 assists.

The Knicks, who had been awful, are undefeated since he became a starter . . . even though their two big-contract players (Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony) have been out.  Lin won't get to take as many shots once those guys are back, and analysts aren't sure how well he'll mesh with Anthony, but right now I think the fans in New York would dump Anthony if it meant keeping Lin happy.  And the rest of the team seems to love Lin.

The Celtics have started playing like crap again, but this is plenty entertaining.  Lin barely started his career, and nobody wanted to put him into games.  He was undrafted and had already been sent to the minors more than once.  Some teams out there are pretty embarrassed right now, but especially Golden State, which waived him and let him go for free.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: feffer on February 11, 2012, 12:27:52 PM
That's crazy!  Was he not so outstanding in the minors?  Is there a genie or something involved in this?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 11, 2012, 12:42:19 PM
I don't know how well he played in the minors (the Development League, or D-League, is what they call it in the NBA), but lots of guys play well there and then can't hack it in the majors.  I've never 100% understand it -- they claim there's just a huge talent drop-off, but that seems statistically unlikely.  Seems to be true, though.

He played well in college, but it was the sort of good-in-college where people say it won't translate to the pros.  I think that might be because he's from Harvard, and Harvard doesn't have the kind of basketball program where they often play the best teams.  Apparently Lin is the first guy from Harvard to make it to the NBA.  They make a lot out of him being Taiwanese, too, because (A) Chinese players are rare in the NBA, and (B) he's apparently the first American Chinese player.  Yao Ming and Ji Yianlan both came over from the PRC to play here.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 11, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
Yeah, I gotta say there's a lot of talk about young Mr. Lin around these parts. It's Linconceivable!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 11, 2012, 04:31:45 PM
:lol:  So far, my favorite is 'Lin Diesel'.

I'm one of the many people really, really, really hoping this doesn't flame out.  Between him and Ricky Rubio, it's getting exciting again.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 11, 2012, 11:13:02 PM
AND, so anyway, the Knicks played Rubio's Timberwolves tonight, in a happy coincidence.  Lin and Rubio both had lousy second halves, but the game was close the whole way.  It came down to the last couple possessions.

Then Lin scored a bunch of points right at the end, including drawing a foul and hitting free throws at the very end, and the Knicks won by 2.  Lin had 20 points, 8 assists, 6 rebounds, and 3 steals, although also 6 turnovers.  He would've scored better, but the Wolves obviously watched a lot of tape and blocked four of his shots . . . .

Still doesn't suck.  And Kevin Love, another player I like, had 32 points (10-21, plus a perfect 10 of 10 at the line) and 21 rebounds, and people still say he's not really that good.  And the Timberwolves refused to give him a max deal, daring him to leave for another team in a couple of seasons. 

HELLO.  No one especially wants to play for the Minneapolis NBA team.  You guys have screwed over a lot of good players and won bupkes.  You better put together a great supporting lineup if you want him and Rubio to stay around.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 11, 2012, 11:17:57 PM
According to the AP:

NOTES: The Timberwolves wore Minnesota Muskies uniforms in tribute to the ABA team that spent one season here in 1967. “I’m still trying to figure out what a Muskie is,” F Anthony Tolliver said.

There's a Deputy Dawg juxtaposition in my head that made this extremely funny for no especially good reason.

Also . . . seriously, tribute uniforms for one game for a one-season 1960s team from a failed league?  What a tribute!  I hope someone somehow associated with the Muskies was in the crowd tonight.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 11, 2012, 11:34:30 PM

"Muskie" by the way is short for "muskellunge," which is a gigantic variety of Northern Pike. They're like the biggest freshwater fish there is.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 12, 2012, 12:05:06 AM
Jesus, a pike is the biggest?  I'll stay out of the water around here.

My ex and I once saw a lake monster in Lake Champlain that I am 99% sure was a sturgeon, and it was (seemingly) the size of a goddamned two-person canoe.

There's liopleurodon . . . down there . . . somewhere.  I've always thought that half of the reason monkeys like the beach so much is because instinctively we're feeling relief at being out of the water.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: feffer on February 12, 2012, 12:06:09 AM
Maaaagical liopleurodon?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 12, 2012, 12:16:28 AM
The sad thing is that NOW, thanks to the internet, probably someday, for some goddamn reason, I will be swimming in the ocean -- and will be savaged from below by a unicorn.

I hope you'll all be very happy when that happens.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 12, 2012, 12:28:56 AM
I was unable to control my snorting and hysterical laughter at this point. You win this thread.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 12, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
OMG, This article about Wat Misaka, the first Asian-American in the NBA ( 

He played for the Knicks in 1947, as a point guard, at my height and weight.  His career wasn't long, but wow.  AND he was solicited by the Globetrotters.

An article in The New York Times on March 25, 1947, asserted: "Little Wat Misaka, American born of Japanese descent, was a cute fellow intercepting passes and making the night miserable for Kentucky."

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 12, 2012, 06:10:24 PM
Totally forgot that on Sunday they have afternoon games.  :doh:  Missed watching updates on what was apparently a good one where Rondo had 32 pts (shooting 50%), 15 assists, 10 rebounds.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 14, 2012, 01:51:24 PM
I know I've mentioned this before, but this severely pisses me off (

Is Iverson some kind of idiot to burn through $150 million (BEFORE endorsement money, etc) in about 15 years?  Yes.  You can make various excuses for him, but there's no way that's not boneheaded.  He did a lot of community support, bought stuff for his mother and his childhood friends and neighbors and so on.  Yes.  But if he spent 'only' $100 million on that, that would work out to $200k for 500 friends and relatives.  I'm just saying.

But I still mostly blame the NBA, which takes kids out of high school (or after their first year of college, now) and frequently throws them into multimillion-dollar deals with no financial guidance.  Maybe the union should just deduct 10% of every player's salary and give them trust funds that pay off over 40 years.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 15, 2012, 12:59:23 PM
Shaq -- yes, SHAQ -- says it would be a travesty if Dwight Howard leaves Orlando (

The irony here, of course, is that Shaq started in Orlando but dumped them like chumps to go win titles with the Lakers.  His reasoning is that back then, the Lakers could offer him more money than Orlando could, but with the new rules Orlando could offer Howard more money than anyone else.

This is the most horrible reasoning in sports, a world filled with horrible reasoning.  It's venal and petty and stupid.

Let's say you're a star player.  Do you want to win?  Because if you don't, I don't care how good you are, get the fuck out.  There are too many good players who want desperately to play at the top level and who want desperately to win.  I don't want to watch genetic freaks screw around for money.  I want to see teams play together to try to win.

If you're a star and you want to win, you're going to get paid.  So focus on winning.  If your team can pay you $20 million over five years, and another team can pay you $25 million over five years, that should not be an incentive to switch.  You're already getting $20 million.  You don't need that extra $5 million.  Are you a dick?  Are you a desperate money-grubbing whore?  Are you competing against other stars not by trying to win games but by who has the biggest contract?  Are you a puppet for your agent, to whom that extra $5 million probably means a lot more than it does to you?

Man the fuck up.  Play for the team that will help you win.  And odds are it's not the team shelling out every last dollar for you, because there's a salary cap, and they won't have as much money left over for the rest of the team.

Besides, if you do win, the endorsements will dwarf your salary anyway.  Yes, bigger market, being on TV more, blah blah blah.  Frankly, studies show that that's actually almost a non-factor.  Garnett didn't have trouble signing endorsements and getting mad press when he was in Minneapolis, for crying out loud.

If you want to be a dick for an extra 20% that no sane person needs, fine.  But admit it.  Don't tell me it always makes sense to go for the extra money.  That's only true if your pimp is going to come around and take all the money you're expected to earn in the first place.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on February 15, 2012, 08:48:38 PM
Lin went to Paly.  I remember watching him on TV for the state championships.  Really bright kid.  Also a very devout Christian.  The generally good kind, not the proselytizing bat-shit crazy kind.  He's all over the news here because he's local.  On Forum (SF Bay Area NPR program) the other day, or maybe it was the local segment on the news they interviewed his pastor.  I hope he continues to succeed.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 26, 2012, 11:49:18 PM
Sooo . . . Derrick Rose has an endorsement deal with Adidas that guarantees him $185 million and will probably pay over $200 million.

He's with a good team (Chicago Bulls) right now, but if he EVER takes a contract based on it paying $6 million more over several years, then he is not a basketball player.

I'm not saying I have any reason to believe he's particularly the kind of pro who would do that.  I'm just saying.  Case in point.  Mr Rose, you have no reason to choose a contract based on a few million bucks.  Not unless your agent pulls your strings.

$200 fucking million.  To do ads for sneakers.  Crazy world, man.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 27, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
Soo . . . LeBron isn't a dick, or anything, despite what the beard naturally makes people assume.  Seriously, that is probably the worst beard in Western pro sports, including Europe.


A)  He recently told the press that maybe he could wind up playing in Cleveland again years from now.

B)  He recently told the press that he's learned to ignore criticism over the shameless way he took a giant dump on Cleveland on his way out after teasing the city for months.

C)  He just told the press that he'd be willing to do the dunk contest on All-Star weekend . . . for a million bucks.

This right after he lost the All-Star game for the East with a turn-over right at the last minute.  Classic LeBron choke right there.  WTF is wrong with that guy?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 29, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
Halfway paying attention to a couple of box scores tonight.  The second halves of both games were apparently exciting.

- Rondo had yet another triple-double, and a good one, with over 50% shooting and only three turnovers, in under 35 minutes.

- Jeremy Lin had a weak first half but somehow finished with 19 points on 50% shooting, 13 assists, 5 rebounds, and just one turnover -- in under 35 minutes.  :trance:

Both teams won!  Well, both of those teams.  Both of the other teams lost.  You know what I mean.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 04, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
Boston vs New York was an epic game today.  Boston won, which makes me happy.  Rondo was particularly good, with 18 points, 20 assists, and 17 rebounds.  The stats experts say only Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, and Magic Johnson have had similarly good games, which is saying something.

Lin did not have his best game, but Boston's defense is their strong point, after all, and he still had a big fourth quarter, helping push the game to overtime.  And it's not like he wasn't trying.  Here he is blocking Kevin Garnett's shot (, and Garnett is like a foot taller.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 05, 2012, 10:54:17 AM
That guy Williams on New Jersey scored something like 57 points and nobody noticed.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 05, 2012, 01:41:14 PM
:lol:  I know!  Career best, team best (ever!), good joerb.  Wrong night.

I like this photo of the Knicks pre-game (  Jeremy Lin, Steve Novak, Landry Fields.

Steve Novak does not have a 'game face'.  :lol:  Either that, or Lin scared him when he yelled.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 07, 2012, 05:54:38 PM
I can't believe I missed this (,27395/). :galm:
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on March 07, 2012, 06:05:08 PM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 07, 2012, 07:56:44 PM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 07, 2012, 09:31:09 PM
Holy hell -- the Celtics played well in their last two games, both of which went to overtime, and maybe they ran out of salt or something.  Tonight they got pasted by Philadelphia as if Philly played five quarters.

The C's shot 35% and missed every three-pointer they took.  Every single one of the starters had a horrible game.  Maybe someone's about to be traded and the locker room knows but the news hasn't been made public.  Or maybe they all have Norwalk, or something.  But ye gods.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 13, 2012, 06:10:27 PM
ESPN (Hollinger) just rated Rondo as the 21st best point guard in the league.  There only are 30 teams, so that's pretty harsh.  Hollinger's stats have always been a little weird, but this is pretty mysterious.

Rondo's shooting is very unpredictable, and he's a weird player.  But statistically he's been the best player in the league in the second half of this season.  He has six triple-doubles this season (one other player has two, and no one else has more than one) and has a streak of 19 games in a row with double-digit assists, which hasn't been done since Stockton did it over 20 years ago.

Chris Paul is arguably as good as or better than Rondo, all in all, since he can score so much more consistently.  And last year, at least, Steve Nash was better.  But Derrick Rose and Deron Williams haven't put up the kind of performance Rondo has since the All-Star break.  And 21st?

Time to kick the computer and rejigger the analysis.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 10, 2012, 09:44:12 PM
The NBA has started sometimes referring to fouls as "personal takes", as in (just tonight) "Personal take on Marvin Williams", meaning that he was called for a foul.  Most places running a play-by-play feed copy this wording, but the message boards suggest that no one else knows WTF it means or how it differs from a regular personal foul.

Every time it's nearly the end of a close game and I see "personal take", I want to slap someone.  And I don't really even know why. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 10, 2012, 09:50:12 PM
Also, although it's obvious, I have to say that the Bulls got shafted by the Fates this year.  Top seed going into the playoffs, then their two best players injured, and they got dumped in the first round.  Ouch.

Injuries also destroyed the Magic and helped torpedo the Knicks, but not to the same degree.  If the Celtics can't keep getting stronger as the playoffs go along, the Heat must've been sacrificing a lot of chickens to dark gods to get so many luck breaks going their way.  It's ridiculous.

At the moment, though, I like the Spurs to go the whole way.  Maybe OKC, we'll see.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 15, 2012, 01:05:53 PM
OKC looked pretty good last night :trance:

Admittedly the Lakers had to have been tired. Also they're huge posers. But they've caught up from bad situations before.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 15, 2012, 01:34:44 PM
Gasol is just a little too inconsistent, and you never know if Kobe's heroics (and pseudo-heroics) are going to win it or lose it for you.  And Bynum is SO overrated, I hate to say it.  Not to mention he's kind of a jackass.

They can beat OKC in a good game -- if Kobe is the Good Kobe and Gasol plays well.  But frankly if the series goes over five games, I think you have to bet on the Thunder to be more consistent.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 15, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
Woooooo . . . Indiana beat Miami.  Even though LeBron somehow played 43 minutes of aggressive defense (six steals, for crying out loud) without committing a single foul.  Come on, man.  Buddha couldn't play forty minutes in a playoff game without committing a foul.

But LBJ and Wade took 44 shots, and the other eight guys who played for the Heat took thirty-four.  James and Wade were the only ones who scored more than five points.  Even in a low-scoring game, that's not a recipe for success.

It was still close, but . . . Indiana did not play well.  They shot less than 38%, shot 70% on free throws and 20% on threes, had just ten assists and seventeen turnovers, and they still won.  So probably they could win back at home, too.  Miami ought to be embarrassed and alarmed.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 17, 2012, 08:54:51 AM
C's walloped the Sixers, Thunder beat the Lakers, all in all a pretty good night.

BUT lots of people are blaming Kobe for the Lakers loss, and this seems unfair, which I say as a decided non-fan of Kobe's.  Kobe did not have his best game ever (and somehow only got to the free throw line twice), but this is a playoff series between two extremely good teams with strong offenses and . . . neither team has a real point guard.

Assist leader for the Lakers last night?  Kobe.  With four.  Assist leader for the Thunder last night?  Durant.  With five.

No offense to the combo guards for either team.  They just aren't really point guards.  And it's no good blaming Kobe if the offense sputters, or for the late-game mistakes.  Neither team could score consistently in the second half.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 17, 2012, 03:49:22 PM
The announcers were terrible. They jumped all over Artest for making that pass to Blake in the final seconds, because Blake missed. They said he should have passed to Kobe, and the still showing Kobe "Open" was like all Thunder arms and legs wrapped around him. Hilarious. That was totally the right pass, because the last time they gave Blake that shot in the final seconds he hit it and they won the damn game.

All that said, go Thunder, and I would like to encourage Harden to make his beard and haircut weirder.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 17, 2012, 04:14:55 PM
I keep expecting Rocky to pop up and knock him down.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 17, 2012, 08:51:26 PM
Of all the storylines in these playoffs, I was totally prepared to feel bad for Chris Bosh. 

I was not, however, prepared to see Dwyane Wade be the biggest asshole douchebag in the playoffs.  WTF, dude.  YOU WERE THE COOL ONE.

edit:  namespelling
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 17, 2012, 10:29:05 PM
Bosh is the cool one ;)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 18, 2012, 06:38:50 AM
Weirdly enough.  And, apparently, Mario Chalmers.

It helps that Bosh cut his hair.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 21, 2012, 09:48:33 AM
Man, people are being way too hard on the Clippers.

Except for Sterling, the single worst owner in the NBA.  People can be meaner to him.  But the Clippers did fine and should have a good season next season, and that's kind of a new thing.  Cut them some slack.  They lost to the Spurs, who haven't lost a game since, what, we pulled out of North Korea.  This isn't like if the Heat lose to the Pacers.
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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 21, 2012, 11:34:32 AM
One of the grumpiest LA Times columnists had a great article today (,0,2153520.column) about how wonderful the Clippers' playoff run was, and how much better they were as a team than the Lakers. So he wasn't being hard on the Clippers. On the other hand - he spent the whole column slagging the Lakers, actually. Ha.
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Post by: random axe on May 21, 2012, 01:24:37 PM

The Lakers haven't been a failure yet.  They're not actually more inconsistent than the Celtics.  It's just that expectations are higher for them, and there are more recriminations among them when things go badly. 

When the C's fuck up mightily and lose games they should have won, they shrug and say they'll be fine.  I'm sure Garnett complains about it in the locker room, but despite his infamous temperament, they seem almost too mellow.  But when the Lakers have problems, it's Bynum's an ass, Gasol is soft, Kobe's a selfish jackass.

The C's are old, but the Lakers are dysfunctional.  Neither is an excuse for most of their failings, but it's what usually gets reported.  I still think the Lakers #1 problem is a weakness at point guard.  You can't expect Kobe to not try to do too much by himself.  And Bynum is kind of an ass.

I've never understood Gasol's inconsistency.  I don't dislike him, but I like his brother better.  I often wonder how Pau would play if he were on a different team.
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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 21, 2012, 03:19:20 PM
I don't know, but it would seem you won't have to wonder that much longer.
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Post by: random axe on May 21, 2012, 03:46:29 PM
Might be the best thing for him.  I'm curious what kind of trade would result.  People thought the Lakers were practically cheating when they traded for him in the first place.

If they somehow get Kevin Love, I'll be pretty annoyed.  I wouldn't be upset if they get Dwight Howard, though.


edit:  I do know that Howard and Gasol play different positions.  Although I'm not 100% Kobe couldn't play opposite Howard and Bynum, which would at least not be dull.
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Post by: random axe on May 25, 2012, 12:49:11 PM
The officiating counts for a whole lot, obviously, but realistically I can't see the Heat beating the Spurs or the Thunder in a seven-game series.

The Spurs are just too consistent and deep, and the Heat are neither.  With the Thunder, Durant is roughly equivalent to James, and Westbrook is roughly equivalent to Wade, except again I think the Thunder are a bit more consistent.  And the Thunder supporting players are definitely better than the Heat's supporting players.

I think Stern dreads the Spurs winning yet another title, but frankly right now I like them for it.
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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 25, 2012, 12:59:23 PM
Bosh is injured so I'm back to hating Miami big time. Unit 3's a Thunder guy, so I have to help him out there, but I've got a soft spot for San Antone because of all the oldies on the team. I'm ageist.
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Post by: random axe on May 25, 2012, 01:29:55 PM
They're both fabulous teams.  It's a shame they can't meet in the Finals.  Since Westbrook has settled down, the Thunder are pretty purely likeable, and the Spurs are more or less the team I wish the Celtics would be.

The Heat, yeah, are just not rehabilitating their image.  They made the Lakers unhateable, but that's as far as that seems to go -- they can't seem to do the same thing for themselves.
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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 25, 2012, 02:11:49 PM
Oh no, I have to disagree. Nothing short of Magic Johnson stepping out of a Tardis at age 21 and rejoining the team will make the Lakers unhateable. I think even most Lakers fans hate the Lakers right now, not to mention pretty much everyone else (and some of the Lakers).
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Post by: random axe on May 25, 2012, 04:38:48 PM

Well, to non-Laker fans, they're a bit pathetic right now, which helps make them less hateable.  But since so many people who aren't Laker fans would have been not merely happy but relieved to have seen the Lakers beat the Heat . . . it's hard to hate the Lakers that same way.

The press has been talking about how the Lakers need to trade Bynum for Howard straight up.  What, getting Shaq from Orlando wasn't insult enough?  I haven't looked into salary matchups, but Bynum + Gasol for Howard + pieces seems more nearly fair.  And if Orlando is lucky, they can then bounce Bynum for a mediocre but hard-playing center + pieces.
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Post by: flipper on May 25, 2012, 05:07:58 PM
OKC having a national champion would be amazing.  The Spurs have already won too many.  Miami deserves to lose and the city has had plenty of champs (fins, marlins).
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Post by: feffer on May 26, 2012, 12:05:23 AM
OKC having a national champion would be amazing.

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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 26, 2012, 08:46:28 AM
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Post by: the other andrea on May 29, 2012, 07:58:45 PM
Oklahoma City Thunder T-Shirts Pulled After Death Threats From Bitter Seattle Fans (

 :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

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Post by: random axe on May 31, 2012, 10:54:24 AM
Ugh.  Officiating in the NBA is always suspect, but even the major professional sports commentators can't stop hinting that the refs threw the Heat-Celtics game last night.  It was ridiculous even for ridiculous.

I still say the Heat can't possibly beat the Thunder in a fair series, and apparently the Thunder can't beat the Spurs.  At this point, the Spurs should win the title walking away.  We'll see.
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Post by: random axe on June 07, 2012, 08:29:25 AM
As it turns out, the Thunder could beat the Spurs.  This is one of those years where the best two teams are in the same conference.
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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 07, 2012, 08:53:38 AM
That was a hell of a turnaround. We sat down for dinner, Thunder were down by 15 and I figured, okay, game seven coming, cool. We turned it back on after noms and it was dead heat with four minutes left. I ran to the bathroom or something and came back and Durant was hugging his mom on court. It happened like that fast. Was San Antonio all out of time outs or something and the networks all out of commercials? I've never seen four minutes in a championship game take less than half an hour before.
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Post by: random axe on June 07, 2012, 09:02:00 AM
I couldn't actually watch the game, but apparently San Antonio was incredible in the first half, and OKC was ridiculous in the second half.

The Thunder are playing out of their minds, they're mostly young and uninjured, and now they're going to have some time off before the Finals.  They're also a whole lot better, on paper, than the Heat or Celtics.  Unless they rust really fast, or can have their equilibrium disturbed by the C's, I think they're the champs.  Deservedly.

The Heat are having the problem where it's LeBron and Wade and some guys.  LBJ doesn't usually make his teammates better, and he rarely takes over a game.  Wade is clearly hurt or something, and enough defensive pressure will greatly reduce his power.  Bosh is back, maybe?  But he can't outplay Garnett, at this point, and he can't handle Perkins (of OKC) unless Perkins has foul trouble.  The rest of the Heat are almost lost in the mix against a good team.

Frankly . . . all in all, it's looking like LBJ had a better team in Cleveland.  If he hadn't talked other stars out of signing there, I think he'd have a ring by now.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: First Post on June 14, 2012, 04:45:21 AM
Rally to bring back the Sonics (

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 14, 2012, 08:18:51 AM
Wow.  That's some well-organized shit right there.

They should get Sonic to sponsor it.
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Post by: feffer on June 14, 2012, 02:13:32 PM
I saw a Lexus a few days ago that had "FUCK THE THUNDER" written on the back in green.
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Post by: the other andrea on June 14, 2012, 11:25:45 PM
Oh my.  :shock:
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Post by: pdrake on June 15, 2012, 12:17:06 PM
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Post by: random axe on June 15, 2012, 03:45:49 PM
Speaking of LeBron, he complained like a little girl after he fouled out during one of the games in the series against Boston, saying that he doesn't commit fouls and doesn't foul out.  And he really, seriously hardly gets called for any fouls.  He's not immaculate, and he's not that a defender -- no one is, and his defense (though vigorous) is highly overrated.  He just gets more star treatment than anyone's gotten in a long time (including Dwight Howard, who's easier to forgive).

Once so far this post-season, a non-call on him was widely blamed for changing the outcome of a game.  And it wasn't a minor deal last night (, either.  It didn't decide the game, most likely, but the biggest problem is that it told Durant quite clearly that James can get away with shit, and he can't.  And that right there is what could change the outcome of more than one game, especially for a player as young as Durant.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 03, 2012, 10:30:11 PM
Well, in post-season trading-madness news:

- Dwight Howard screwed himself, Orlando, and probably Dallas, and has gone from 'sympathetic but floundering' to 'screwed up'.  He demanded to be traded, and (thanks to recent trends) specified the only team he was willing to be traded to.  That team, the Nets, was more interested in securing Deron Williams, and now it looks like they can't afford Howard as well.  Right now it looks like he'll probably wind up being traded to the Lakers, where hopefully he'll learn to just make the best of what will be a much better situation.

- Deron Williams, meanwhile, might've gone to Dallas, except that the most they could pay him was a mere $19 million a year, the most anyone but the Nets could have paid him.  Instead, he's staying with the Nets, who offered him $20 million a year.  Which is great, except it's so much money that it almost guarantees they can't put a strong enough team around him.

The NBA really needs to do something about that, but the problem is that the horse has left the barn.  They agreed to stricter spending limits per team, but I think it's just going to lead to more lopsided teams.  By way of comparison, Rajon Rondo, who is certainly at least as good a player as Williams, makes $11 million a year, and not coincidentally has a much better team around him.


Oh, and the Nets have officially relocated from New Jersey to Brooklyn.
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Post by: First Post on July 04, 2012, 07:19:50 AM
Sir Charles on his first encounter with Dirk. ( I believe this was from a recent local charity softball event.

(hilarious, as well as informative for anybody out there who still believed college athletics was totally legit)

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 04, 2012, 09:16:50 AM
:lol:  I'll have to watch that later.

I was reading more analysis of the Nets dealio.  On the one hand, it's sort of nice that Williams is staying with 'his' team.  I'm big on team identity.  Apparently the new financial rules were specifically intended to encourage teams to offer these kinds of contracts -- in this case, $100 million for five years -- in order to keep superstars from changing teams too often.

On the other hand, the Nets offered just 5% more per year than Dallas did.  And Dallas's contract was for four years, which at Williams' age means he would expect his career wouldn't be anywhere near over at the end, which means (open secret) he'd expect to be able to resign with Dallas for a bazillion after those four years and more than make up the difference. 

Besides, if it's mostly about the money, then winning matters more, because Williams will get endorsements from advertisers.  Being on a winning team means more endorsements and more national TV appearances, etc.  Way more money.

So I still don't like it.  Millions and millions of dollars is millions and millions of dollars.  A low-level player whose salary may vary between half a million and two-and-a-half million, that guy has a serious money motivation when picking a team.  He's not going to play a lot of minutes, and he's not going to appear in ads.  But the superstars, no.

I realize they're competing for ego.  But I have to think 90% of this is the result of conflicted-ethics advice from their agents.  It's not just that the agent makes a lot more from a $100 million deal.  It's also that the agent whose player gets the max deal is more likely to represent another superstar.  One superstar at 5% is good; a second one is doubling your money. 

As a result, a player who takes a bad contract or hamstrings a team because of the $$$ seems greedy and a little dumb, but I mostly blame the agent.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 04, 2012, 09:43:17 PM
Steve Nash (who is awesome) reportedly turned down $12 million a year to play for a bad team in order to take $9 million a year to play for a good one (the Lakers).

Now that makes sense.  And he didn't want to move his family from Phoenix.  Would've been interesting if he'd gone back to Dallas, but Cuban gambled and (seems to have) lost, so that team probably is going to be rebuilding next year.  Might've been interesting if he'd gone to the Knicks, but they're a bit of a mess. 

Now it just remains to be seen if they trade Bynum for Howard.  Despite his mess, I'd take Howard over Bynum if Howard was willing to play.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 06, 2012, 09:43:17 PM
Ugh.  Ray Allen dumped the Celtics to join the Heat for half the money.  This constitutes a betrayal of our entire species.

He may have done this because:

- He lost his starting position this past season.  This was mostly due to his ankle injuries, which should be better by next season.  I don't know if Boston promised him his starting position back, but, for various reasons, they should have offered that.  For one thing, the guy who replaced him was a nowhere rookie last season and could survive being the first guy off the bench for another season.  Besides, he won't start in Miami.

- The C's management dangled him for possible trades last year.  They did, but the C's management dangles everyone.  Literally, unless you're untradeable, you're potentially tradeable.  They don't trade you unless they think they're getting way more than you're worth, so mostly it's just talk, and if you do get traded you should kind of be flattered.  In any case, you have to know it's not personal.  And it's not like Miami is a Team kind of team, anyway.

- He didn't always get along well with Rondo.  Well . . . the personality situation seems to be worse in Miami, and the point guard situation there is far worse.

- He wants to win another ring before he retires.  Frankly, the Heat only got to the Finals because of some generally acknowledged bullshit calls in Game 2 of the semis, and they theoretically should have kicked the injured Celtics' asses.  And if it hadn't been for the Not Your Year calls against the Thunder in Game One of the Finals, I still don't believe the Heat had a chance of winning four games in that series, either.  No way.

Right now Miami is in worse health shape than Boston, and Boston has added much more firepower this offseason than Miami has.  But Boston isn't even the team that Miami ought to be afraid of.

Maybe Allen's family just wants to move to Miami?  I don't know.  Maybe there was something far more wrong this past season than we were privy to.  He could've joined the Lakers, and it just would have made me like the Lakers better, but now, as far as I'm concerned, he's actually retired.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 11, 2012, 05:31:29 PM
The Nets have reportedly given up on trying to get Dwight Howard.  This makes it less and less unlikely that he will wind up with the Lakers.


    Steve Nash
    Kobe Bryant
    Pau Gasol
    some dude
    Dwight Howard

I have no idea if that team would work.  But it would not be dull.  And it might be awesome.  That "some dude" . . . apparently their other starting forward is Devin Ebanks?  I don't even know who he is.  But still.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 11, 2012, 06:48:22 PM
They'll trade Gasol if they need to to get Howard. Which is a shame, because he's good, but he's perceived as not being that good when it really counts.

/argumentum ex anus
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 11, 2012, 07:12:23 PM
Yeah, I've heard that.  I hope that doesn't happen.  They have misused and kind of abused Gasol the last few years.  I always thought he was overrated -- I've often said that, considering their salaries, I'd rather have his younger brother -- but he did not deserve the amount of shit he's gotten lately.  The new coach was clearly not using him to full advantage.

Trading Bynum for Howard is, I think, a plus.  Trading Gasol for Howard and keeping Bynum makes no sense.  Houston and Orlando kinda seem to want Bynum.

Dallas could've seriously used Howard, but they put all their eggs in the Deron Williams basket, and D-Will did not go to Dallas.  Meanwhile, a bunch of good players left.  Cuban (the owner) took a huge gamble when he let good players leave in earlier years (Nash, especially, but they won the championship and then let key people go).  Right now, you have to feel bad for Nowitzki, but even if they got Howard somehow . . . it's a rebuilding year.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on August 10, 2012, 02:56:55 PM
SO.  Dwight Howard is going to the Lakers!  I have no idea how this will work out, but it won't be dull.  And the analysts are already saying it'll be Miami vs Lakers in the Finals next year.  :lol: :popcorn:

LA gave up Bynum, who's going to . . . Philadelphia.  A bunch of role players and future lottery picks trickle down to Orlando.  I forget who else is involved.  Crazy complicated trade, four teams in all.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 10, 2012, 08:33:49 PM
Offspring Unit 3 is not happy about this trade. I think he's in a HATE ALL THE LA THINGS mode so that implies it's good news for the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on August 11, 2012, 11:00:30 AM

Adding Nash and Howard means nobody knows WTF the Lakers will be like.  Except not boring.  But they may very well not mesh at all, and Howard may be gone at the end of the year.  Heck, Nash might retire.  They might get desperate and trade Pau at mid-season.

Hating the Lakers is fine; it's just hard to hate them more than Miami.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on August 14, 2012, 12:48:47 PM
Count me in the hate all things LA.  My cousin's daughter (also my cousin) told me how she was a Laker fan and a Dallas Cowboy fan.  Obviously just to piss her dad off.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on October 11, 2012, 02:17:11 PM
This is trivial even for NBA news in the LeBron Era, BUT:  LeBron's agent is being investigated for bribing a college player.  The relevance of this is that if somehow this ever manages to quash this kid's NBA eligibility, I will hope a messy death upon that stupid sports agent.

Why?  Because this kid's name is Myck Kabongo (;_ylt=AiMmdQ.P_GqAo2Dt1dhVWYy8vLYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1ZjFwcG9zBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBOQkEEcGtnA2FkNDZhMWU5LWM2YWQtMzMzZC1hNTNlLTdkMTljOTQ5MDY1NQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzY0ZTc5YjkzLTEzNWUtMTFlMi1iNzJiLTZjY2M5Mjg5ZDViZA--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoNjVvZWVyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuYmEEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3).

My god, if the NBA doesn't get him, almost inevitably he'll wind up in Australian movies.
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Post by: pdrake on October 11, 2012, 03:56:45 PM
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Post by: flipper on October 11, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Post by: random axe on October 11, 2012, 06:18:36 PM
Yes.  We need this kid in professional sports.
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Post by: flipper on October 11, 2012, 09:05:27 PM
I read that Manute Bol's son Bol Bol is a 6'5" seventh grader who has the shot blocking ability but also is a good shot.  Maybe we'll see him someday.
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Post by: random axe on October 11, 2012, 09:13:00 PM
He could become a pro bowler.
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Post by: random axe on October 30, 2012, 07:49:34 PM
Wooo . . . sort of . . . season opener!  Heat vs Celtics!  One quarter in, the C's are shooting 50% and are down six points.  Because they've taken zero free throws while the Heat have already made eight.  It's the Finals all over again, yay.

I could actually watch the game online, but I'd have to go to Adobe's site first and update my Flash player. 

No thanks.
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Post by: random axe on December 10, 2012, 07:19:55 PM
The NBA is a cold business:  Bobcats president cuts . . . his own son from the team (;_ylt=At.tkEDFk8u0IIwxDVmSKga8vLYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1aWJvZzNhBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBOQkEEcGtnAzFjYTczMWYwLTQzMjAtMTFlMi1iYjdhLTg5ZTRmNzE2ZjY0MgRwb3MDNARzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzFjYTc4MDEyLTQzMjAtMTFlMi05N2JmLTZiZTE4YTY2YmI4YQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoNjVvZWVyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuYmEEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3).

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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 10, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Adding Nash and Howard means nobody knows WTF the Lakers will be like.  Except not boring.

I'm sheepishly reporting that you got this one wrong.

But they may very well not mesh at all, and Howard may be gone at the end of the year.  Heck, Nash might retire.  They might get desperate and trade Pau at mid-season.

All still possible however.

Hating the Lakers is fine; it's just hard to hate them more than Miami.

The Lakers obviously took this as a challenge. And are doing their best to meet it. Hell, Kobe will want to leave now.

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Post by: random axe on December 10, 2012, 07:44:45 PM

The Lakers are more sad than hateful right now.  Has Nash played more than three games for them so far?  They obviously haven't jelled, but . . . who knows if they ever will?

If Kobe gets really mad at Howard, I think Howard will melt down.  He doesn't handle criticism fabulously.  Did you know that so far this season only five other players have shot as many free throws as Howard has missed?  He's already attempted like 220 free throws, and he's hit like half of them.  Since he shoots over 50% from the floor (as they say), no team will stop fouling him constantly.

Gasol may be traded!  He may be grateful for it.
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Post by: random axe on December 11, 2012, 08:59:14 PM
And speaking of grateful, the Lakers must be generally glad to have gotten rid of Bynum, who now says he hopes to return from his injuries "this season" but also says he's permanently injured, barring medical advances.  He says it hurts to walk, although he apparently goes bowling a lot.
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Post by: stormneedle on December 12, 2012, 01:28:10 AM
Maybe he just pushes the ball down the lane from a sitting position. With the bumpers set up. :shrug:
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Post by: random axe on December 12, 2012, 10:10:17 AM
:lol:  From the bench, in fact.

But no, they published photos of him in crazy bowling form.  Crazy because he's like 19' tall.  And because allegedly he can hardly bend his knees.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 12, 2012, 06:37:42 PM
"You know things are bad when Ron Artest is the only one on your team not losing his temper." (
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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 16, 2012, 01:43:59 AM
As you were saying ... ! (,0,7506796.story)
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Post by: random axe on December 23, 2012, 10:50:39 PM
OK, this was just a development league game, the NBA equivalent of the minors.  But.  A Celtics rookie with the excellent name of Fab Melo had a triple-double the other night (, and even though his team lost (oops), he still impressed:  15 points, 16 rebounds, and 14 blocks.

Yes, 14 blocks in one game.  That must have been hilarious.
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Post by: feffer on December 23, 2012, 11:30:43 PM
Freaking brothers everyway like M.J.
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Post by: flipper on December 24, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
Mutombo had a few of those back in the day.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 27, 2013, 08:09:16 PM
Rondo's down with a season-ending knee injury.  :thumbsdn:  He can be a pain in the ass, but he's awfully good to watch.  And awfully good, period.  He was the Celtics' best player on paper.  Since the beginning of last season, he's had 15 triple-doubles.  Fifteen.  That's the best in the league.  Second place goes to the all-powerful LeBron, who's had . . . three.  In the five games before he was injured, Rondo average 18.8 points, 10.4 assists, and 8.8 rebounds.  Averaged.

Of course, there's such a thing as trying to do too much, and the Celtics lost all five of those games.  Not that it was Rondo's fault, realistically.

So as of today, no more Rondo.  Weirdly (and admirably), the C's beat Miami today (suck it, LeBron) in double overtime.  Oddly enough, they lost their previous game in double overtime.  It'd been over fifty years since they had two consecutive double-overtime games.  I guess it's just a weird season.

I blame global warming.  And I hope Rondo heals well.
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Post by: random axe on February 12, 2013, 11:17:41 PM
LeBron James Playing Flawless Basketball In Pathetic Bid For Nation's Approval (,31264/).

:lol:  Basically true, and, fuck you, no.

If he can play a full season without acting like a dick and win the championship or at least have a hell of a good reason why not, then maybe.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 13, 2013, 03:36:29 PM
The Lakers are so bad now this is what gets reported on (

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Post by: random axe on February 13, 2013, 04:25:16 PM
:lol:  Yeah.

The Lakers and Celtics are about equally screwed right now, although for different reasons.  The C's are, once again, seemingly nearly out of players as season-ending injuries have struck down their alleged best player, their best rookie (who was even a starter at times), and two key backup players.  Their elderly veterans are still going strong as ever, though.

The Lakers had a hell of a job trying to make their new pieces fit.  Steve Nash is a brilliant player if you're playing a very specific type of basketball, which is not the type that Kobe or Gasol or Dwight Howard usually play.  Kobe and probably Gasol could have adjusted; I don't know if Kobe or Howard would be willing to.  But it hasn't happened.  And Howard has been a bust, all things considered.

I don't think either team can make a strong stab at much of anything this season, and I don't think there's any trade or change of coach or what have you that can fix that.  Fortunately for me, I don't care about the championship much.  I like team cohesion and lots of little victories.  Which I suppose doesn't help a Lakers fan at this point . . . .
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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 20, 2013, 08:41:29 AM
Annnnd, things get worse, for the Lakers. Jerry Buss has died (,0,6996360.story).

Who takes over ownership? Oh RIGHT. The girl whose boyfriend was passed over for the head coach job. :galm: Well, not entirely. But I foresee interesting times for the Lakers management. This article suggests that like every time they've slumped, Jerry stepped in to negotiate a player deal that turned them back into contenders again. Interesting.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 20, 2013, 04:21:43 PM
It's been a curious year for LA.
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Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 16, 2013, 11:31:41 PM
It's been a curious year for LA.

Should start looking up for the Lakers now. Unit 3 was down in Redondo for the Nike Invitational (he PR'd in the 3200, did not finish last, yay, and the school did great overall), and he and a friend were getting dinner at the Whole Foods deli when they ran into Pau Gasol. So I'm thinking this is the moment when it all turns around for LA.

(pix tomorrow I hope)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 16, 2013, 11:56:12 AM
Phil Jackson finally answers the MJ vs. Kobe questions everyone's been asking for the last 10 years (,0,4853067.story).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 16, 2013, 01:59:03 PM
To me, personality aside -- although it is a huge and significant thing -- the difference is that MJ made it look like it was easy for him, whereas Kobe makes it look like he has some supernatural power to force ugly shot after ugly shot to go into the basket.

MJ really did appear to float.  Kobe often pulls a quick-stop jump-back shot that's physically incredible but looks like it ought to cause an ankle to separate.

While I definitely believe MJ was a far better player in most ways, it looks like Kobe works harder.  I don't know that that's a good thing, but it's kind of impressive.  I think the irony is that LBJ, say, doesn't look like he's working hard, but unlike MJ he winds up looking not so much like a graceful freak of nature as like a grubby superhuman who just can't be bothered to try hard most of the time.

To some extent, these are unfair subjective characterizations.  But we're basically talking entertainment, anyway.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 21, 2013, 01:04:48 PM
Thank god this damned season is over.  Maybe we can get something better next season.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 25, 2013, 10:03:40 AM
Here's some good news, maybe. My old classmate ( ;) ) Brian Shaw is going to be the new head coach of the Nuggets ( I say maybe because it's likely that George Karl (fired after winning Coach of the Year awards, yeah, that's, um, okay) is a tough act to follow in this case. If the Nuggets disappoint this year Brian will be one-or-less-and-done.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 25, 2013, 11:45:24 AM
Ha!  A bunch of people are hoping Shaw will be the new coach of the Celtics.  Good luck to him, wherever he ends up.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on June 25, 2013, 03:13:48 PM
I'd be willing to go with you to Oracle Arena.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 29, 2013, 11:35:16 AM
Celtics have almost completely been blown up.  Commentators are arguing about whether Rondo will be traded.  Apparently next year's lottery has or will probably have two players expected to be franchise stars, so there will be competition to the bottom of the pile next year.  :eyeroll:

Brooklyn will be interesting next year.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 29, 2013, 08:07:09 PM
U3 was describing what happened today, and I said "building a new team ... around Rondo?" and he said :hmm: :huh: :ttth: so I'm thinking, yeah, they're gonna trade him too. Which is really too bad.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 30, 2013, 11:30:12 AM
Early rumors are that the Mavs would give up and take on almost anything to get Rondo, except that they wouldn't trade Dirk, who has a no-trade clause anyway.  They want to get Rondo and Dwight Howard.  Personally, I wouldn't want Howard; maybe Miami can trade Bosh and Ray Allen for him, or something.  Miami seems more like Howard's kind of team.

I love Rondo's game, but who knows if he'll ever mature enough to be consistent and not piss off his teammates.  He's such a polarizing talent that he's actually exactly the kind of player you do build a team around, because you have to cater to his strengths and weaknesses.  He's about 50%, and then you need someone rock solid to anchor him.  He was inevitably going to have too much friction with Garnett to reach his peak.  Pierce is an absolutely terrific player but most of the time he doesn't want to be the team leader.  But Pierce wouldn't want to be second-banana to a young turk like Rondo, either.

I hadn't really bothered thinking about which players would be good fits around Rondo.  At this point, I think they'll trade him, but it's tricky.  He's coming back from a major injury.  Trade him now, and his value is decreased because no one knows how strong he'll recover from it.  Ainge would probably like to give Rondo a long, long recovery time so the team can lose a lot next season, but that won't help his trade value.

On the other hand, bring him back soon to show him off, and you risk the chance that he'll re-injure himself or that he hasn't recovered well.  So sooner might be better than later.

I don't know.  The last season or two has highlighted the aspects of the NBA that I like the least -- the It's Just A Game and the It's Just A Business ends of it.  I'm an actual team fan.  I associate players with the team (weird, I know), and I want them to do well.  I don't see them as a machine whose job is to win trophies 'for me'.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 21, 2014, 04:56:30 PM

This is awesome.

I'm ... I'm starting to like LeBron. God help me.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 21, 2014, 06:09:18 PM
I'm a little surprised he didn't foul her.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: the other andrea on January 23, 2014, 07:07:04 PM

That is AWESOME.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 07, 2014, 09:44:34 AM
Whoa. (,0,888563.column#axzz2vHvfMG3c)

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on March 08, 2014, 12:40:41 AM
Love it!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 08, 2014, 01:43:30 PM
Clippers are due.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on March 10, 2014, 08:48:47 AM
Celtics have the NBA championship belt (!


Actually, I love that the teams do this and that the league didn't ban it.  It's pretty amusing.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 02, 2014, 04:39:46 PM
Derek Fisher? Derek Fisher?!?!

C'mon Jerry and Jeanie for CHRISSAKES get Brian Shaw and pay what it takes.

Not like I care what happens to the Lakers really but still. Sticking up for my fellow Gaucho here.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 03, 2014, 10:00:44 AM
Sportswriters have been pulling for Fisher.  To be honest, I didn't bother reading the columns.  My interest in the NBA is at an ebb at the moment.  :shrug:

Lakers drama is totally overshadowed by several kinds of Clippers drama right now.  I admit, I'm really curious to see what happens with the Lakers next year, though.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 11, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 12, 2014, 03:13:13 PM
OH I think Jeremy Lin'll do fine with the Lakers.


Did something else happen?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 13, 2014, 11:24:32 AM
I think the Lakers are a good fit for Lin, too.

The downside to the LBJ hilarity is that it makes the Cavs the #1 likely next stop for Kevin Love, who was otherwise projected to end up with the Celtics.  I'm more of a team fan than a player fan, so I'm happy to see the C's play the guys they have, but I wouldn't have minded seeing Love in Boston.

So to speak.

Pau Gasol reportedly just left LA for Chicago, which is nice for Chicago, but I don't understand yet if the Lakers are getting anything back (yesterday the pundits were saying they'd probably get Carlos Boozer in return, somehow).  I'd love to see them get the younger Gasol from the Grizzlies, somehow, although I don't suppose it's likely.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on August 07, 2014, 11:34:23 AM
ALLEGEDLY, but god I hope so, Metta World Peace (aka Ron Artest) is changing his name, now that he's going to be playing in China, to Panda Friend (
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on December 19, 2014, 02:01:55 PM
Kind of sad that Rondo's been traded to Dallas.  On the other hand . . . wooooo Dallas!  I will be keeping an eye on the Mavs.  I hope it works out.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on December 19, 2014, 03:17:31 PM
Warriors are looking impressive.  Maybe I can go to a game.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 08, 2015, 07:15:43 PM
I can't decide whether this Grantland piece ( is fantastic -- or is ironclad evidence that the highfalutin' sports essay culture has jumped the shark.

I'm leaning toward the latter. I think Philips missed a major point about Kobe that has always been true - he is way, way smarter than everyone around him and he knows it and he's bitter about it. I don't know how you can write that many words about Bryant and not see that.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on January 10, 2015, 10:42:50 AM
It's hard to keep writing smart 'literary' sports articles.  There are bound to be a lot of misses.  I think their brains glaze over.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on February 20, 2015, 10:53:22 AM
Excellent crazy trading at the last minute.  The Miami Heat traded for both of the Dragon Brothers, Goran and Zoran Dragic, which is just hilarious and awesome.  The Heat needed good news, as they may have just lost Chris Bosh for the rest of the season.

The Celtics acquired a player named . . . Isaiah Thomas.  :eek:  Part of that trade involved sending Tayshaun Prince back to Detroit.  Well, he's used to it, so he probably won't be complaining to Dr Klahn.

Oklahoma City sent Detroit a player named . . . Reggie Jackson.  No relation, as far as I know.

And speaking of homecomings, New Jersey sent Kevin Garnett back to Minnesota.  Now I'm a little surprised Paul Pierce didn't somehow end up back in Boston.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 20, 2015, 03:30:35 PM
Wow, Isaiah Thomas got his name because his dad lost a bet. On the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on April 13, 2015, 12:59:20 PM
Took Ian to the Warriors game on Saturday.  After the game he got to line up and go down on the court and shoot a free throw.  He hit the rim.

This was the second game I went to this year.  Totally impressed.  They actually play like a team, pass the ball, play aggressive defense, and put on a great show.  They even like each other and hang out together.  I really hope they win it all.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 13, 2015, 01:45:31 PM
Warriors and Clippers are good right now.  Lakers are not having a stellar year.  Not a boring time in the West.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on April 16, 2015, 12:00:55 PM
The New Orleans Pelicans play at the Smoothie King Center. That is all.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 16, 2015, 02:11:45 PM

I still can't bring myself to call them that, though.  I call them "the New Orleans NBA Team".
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Talix on April 16, 2015, 03:30:34 PM
At least it's not racist.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: stormneedle on April 16, 2015, 04:12:22 PM
“A wonderful bird is the Pelican.
His beak can hold more than his belly can.
He can hold in his beak
Enough food for a week!
But I'll be darned if I know how the hellican?”

― Dixon Lanier Merritt

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: the other andrea on April 16, 2015, 09:29:13 PM
I just saw the Pelican team name and all I could think was "What if Peli-can't?"
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on April 17, 2015, 12:28:44 AM
I hope they have a good series with the Dubs, but I still want the Dubs to win it all.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on April 17, 2015, 09:16:34 AM
the Dubs

At first, I thought you meant the Wizards.  And I was like


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on April 22, 2015, 12:34:08 PM
I still call them the Bullets.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 14, 2015, 01:15:57 AM
I still call them the Bullets.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on May 14, 2015, 01:40:23 AM
In other news, all the semis are 3-2 so it's making for some nice intrigue.  Go Dubs!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 07, 2016, 10:42:52 AM
Can I just say:

- Durant to Golden State is perfectly sensible.  He did give OKC nine years, and frankly I wouldn't be shocked if this was something the league was hoping for when they pumped up the salary cap.  Besides, rumor has it that he was frustrated with the coaching on offense in OKC.  And he did it classy, not LeBronnishly.

It's kind of the clap of doom for OKC, for awhile, but that's how it goes in this league.  They had nine good years, and they were the second-best team last year.  It was just one of those seasons where the third or fourth-best team won the championship.

- Wade to Chicago is slightly odd, but Wade leaving Miami shouldn't surprise anyone, and he grew up in Chicago.  The new Bulls lineup is bizarro, but it shouldn't be boring.  And this is way better than if he'd taken the minimum to join the Cavs.  He was the one who made the bigger sacrifice in Miami, and LBJ just indicated he needs more money, so that would've been ugly.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on July 07, 2016, 11:58:46 AM
Concur completely.  Durant is a good guy and will actually fit in with the team chemistry of the Warriors.  I think he'll have fun there and he handled it so much better than the egotistical jerk LBJ.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on June 20, 2017, 09:35:12 AM
Ever since I lost faith in the playoffs, the off-season trading frenzy has become one of my favorite things about the NBA, and, boy, this year is terrific so far.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: amckenzie on July 28, 2017, 02:38:21 AM
Derrick Rose has officially signed a contract with the Cavs.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 28, 2017, 09:18:32 AM
I feel bad for the Cavs, but they're just too easy to dislike.  They needed to come right out and make LBJ or someone on his crew the GM, and by now it's too late.

Rose was a transcendant player, but he made himself too easy to dislike, too.  Rarely has a millionaire had such bad legal representation.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 02, 2018, 09:10:52 AM
SO . . . LeBron to the Lakers.


Too good.  TOO GOOD.  We'll see.  I'll be disappointed in the Spurs if they trade Kawhi to the Lakers under almost any circumstance, but . . . we'll see.  Honestly, I think it's 50/50 at this point that Kawhi's career ever recovers from this year's fuckery.

Meanwhile, if LeBron had really wanted to (A) make gigantic money, (B) dominate the biggest market, (C) get ALL the sponsorships any human ever has, and (D) change the league and pro sports forever, then he would have gone to China.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 03, 2018, 12:31:06 AM
I got a feeling like LeBron's wife wanted him to stay in LA with his kids year round
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: pdrake on July 03, 2018, 12:45:11 AM
cake and other stuff  . . .
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 03, 2018, 10:23:22 AM
Now DeMarcus "Boogie" Cousins has joined the Warriors for about a third of what he probably could have gotten for another team.

Cousins was often said to currently be the best center in the league, and then he injured his achilles tendon.  The charitable cynics are saying that maybe he wouldn't be able to play much this coming year, and so he's joining the Warriors on the cheap to (A) rehab on a team that doesn't need him and (B) pick up a championship ring without having to do anything to get it. 

I dunno.  If you think championship rings are a really big deal, then that either makes sense or is profoundly scummy.  Of course, he might be able to play at, say, 90% this upcoming season, in which case . . . the Warriors still really really don't need him.

The Warriors won approximately all the games last year, due to already being absurdly overloaded.  They now have a theoretical starting lineup of five of the top eight players in the league, depending on who's ranking them.  Sports Illustrated seems to think it's more like only five out of the top twenty, but basically the Warriors are the All-Star Team, and many in the press, the fans, and even the other players in the league are complaining that next season will be pointless.  :lol:

I don't think the situation is quite that bad, and you gotta wait and see, but a couple of obvious strategies have been discussed on the internets and, no doubt, in team offices.

For instance, other teams could intentionally try to injure the Warriors' star players.  Grim but obvious.

For that matter, other teams could intentionally make games against the Warriors horrible to watch.  Foul constantly, bench major players, play wrong or crazy or stupid, lose on purpose.  If the Warriors are going to win anyway, make it truly pointless and hurt their revenue.  The league can't let parity dwindle too much, or it gets to Globetrotters territory.

The players' union is also pissed off because superstars aren't supposed to take deals way under market.  I'm not sure how I feel about that, myself.

I do find the situation kind of amusing because it makes life harder for the LeBrakers.  I have no idea how this will affect their chances of getting another big star to play alongside LeBron.  On the one hand, there isn't much point in anyone going to the Lakers just because they want to win, now, because they probably won't.  Certainly they don't need to go out there cheap, because they can't out-cheap Cousins' move to the Warriors.

On the other hand, maybe the Spurs or whoever figure to hell with it, what does it matter, and trade a big star to whomever for whatever.

Meanwhile, the New Orleans Basketball Team got screwed the worst, as Cousins dumped them for the Warriors right after Rondo, their star point guard, went to the Lakers to play with his former enemy, LeBron.

Personally, I don't take the playoffs seriously, and my lifetime team (the Celtics) (A) won't play the Warriors often during the regular season and (B) are set up to be good for like a decade, whereas the Warriors are on track to mostly likely decline around the same time that LeBron and Harden decline.  And I'm glad the Celtics didn't make a trade for Cousins.

So, you know.  :popcorn:  With extra salt.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on July 05, 2018, 01:22:27 AM
Boogie is doing what he needs to do.  He'll get plenty of TV time now that he's on the Warriors.  He'll show everyone he can be a team player.  He'll get a ring.  He'll have fun.  Then he'll get picked up the next year and get a multi-year contract worth big money, probably Eastern Conference where he can dominate and play for another championship against the Warriors.  I'm sorry to see JaVale go though.  He's my favorite.  Ian and I went to his JugLife charity softball game on June 23 and had a blast.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 05, 2018, 09:34:26 AM
Yeah, I don't see any reason Cousins shouldn't make this move.  And I'm not among those mad at Durant for his move West, either.

I remain unimpressed with how LeBron does these things.  His move to the Lakers is fine, but allegedly he did it without talking to them much (unless he did so illegally before it was allowed, although, honestly, those rules are pretty dumb). 

Reports say he hasn't spoken to the coach yet.  His defenders were like He announced the move and went on vacation!  What do you expect him to do, delay his vacation?  Which, for what he gets paid, yes, I would expect him to at least make a phone call first.

Of course, many people say LeBron doesn't listen to coaches, and there are (of course) already rumors that he may have Walton dumped so he can install someone more pliable.  But maybe that's in the past.  The Lakers are not the Cavaliers; Jeanie Buss is not Dan Gilbert.  I would be happy to believe that LeBron is ready to settle down and try things someone else's way.  And you can't really blame him for a heavy-handed approach in Cleveland; you can only criticize how well it worked.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on July 06, 2018, 12:59:12 AM
If he gets Walton fired, he probably won't even make the playoffs.  Sure he can play 48 minutes and get to the playoffs in the East, but it's not going to work that way having to play the majority of the games against West opponents.  He pulls that shit and they'll probably end up in 10th or worse.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on July 07, 2018, 09:47:30 AM
I know, right?  Probably.

I'm way more curious how this works out than I was when he went to Miami or back to Cleveland.  Him playing alongside Rondo makes it even more interesting.  People have been joking that LeBron will get Wade to go to LA, but . . . there's kind of some bad blood between Rondo and Wade.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 25, 2019, 10:00:33 PM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on April 26, 2019, 02:05:50 PM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 01, 2019, 11:10:43 PM
So scrolling back a bit, it looks like LeBron didn't get Walton fired directly, but Walton got fired. hMM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 02, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
It's nothing new, but there are a bunch of transcendant players in the league right now who . . . I'd really prefer not to have on my team.  Even if it means winning fewer games.

LeBron, definitely.
Harden, maybe.
Westbrook, definitely.
Durant, most likely.
Kawhi, probably.
Kyrie Irving, probably, which is unfortunate because he is on my team.

There are some others, but I have a bad cold and all the cold medicines right now.  But these guys, man.  Too crazy, too distorting.  Not what I'm looking for, as a fan.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on May 02, 2019, 12:24:58 PM
With Durant I'd be OK with him staying or moving on.  I really hope we bring Boogie back though.  I love watching him play and think he's a great fit with Steph, Klay, Dray, and Iggy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 03, 2019, 12:15:21 PM
So scrolling back a bit, it looks like LeBron didn't get Walton fired directly, but Walton got fired. hMM

Annnnd it looks like the Lakers are going to hire Tyronn Lue, who seems to be best known as LeBron tolerant.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: random axe on May 03, 2019, 02:49:59 PM
I honestly have NO idea if Lue is a terrible coach or a decent one -- he's just sort of the coach that King James puts up with, yeah.  :shrug:

I don't know.  The whole thing is idiotic.  James has been through the Assembling A Superteam thing before.  Most of his money isn't made from his NBA salary but from endorsements.  The thing that slows superteams from forming is mostly the salary cap, so if you REALLY WANT CHAMPIONSHIPS you take a huge pay cut for a few years and get a couple of other superstars to do the same.  It's not a hardship to get ten million bucks a year for 2-3 years so you can collect a ring.  James is making like $36 million this year to miss the playoffs.  Hurrah.

BUT whatever.  Management and half the fans of my team want to trade our young, popular, promising players for Anthony Davis in the hopes that we can win another championship Real Soon.  I honestly don't get it.  This isn't the Hunger Games.  You don't GET anything just because they win.  If they traded the entire team roster for Golden State's entire roster, we'd win more games.  Would it still be the Celtics?  Why not save time and just root for the team most likely to win the championship?

I don't understand sports fans.  Or maybe I do.  Maybe they just root for the uniforms.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: flipper on May 06, 2019, 01:35:38 PM
Or they can get the Lakers to buy up all the maximum contracts and pay the luxury tax like Lacob has been doing.  Clippers put up a great showing against the Warriors in the playoffs and probably have half the salary since they got rid of all their big money contract guys.