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Title: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 10:22:04 AM
Do we have a pet thread?

I have 3 dogs. 2 of them are trained to go in their cage when I tell them to or they just automatically go lay down in there when they know I'm getting dressed to leave the house. It's amazing that they know the difference of my getting dressed to leave and me getting dressed to take them for a walk. Anyways....

I actually cleaned the living room the other night and decided to move the cages from Wall A to Wall B. From Wall B I moved a cushiony purple chair to Wall A.  Now when ever I tell the dogs to go to their cages they get up in the purple chair where their cages used to be. Nevermind their homes are still easily accessible and just on the other wall in the same room. If they don't get up in the chair then they'll sit in front of it.

Guess I'll be moving the cages back tonight.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 17, 2007, 10:48:46 AM
:lol:

I'm sure I've told this story before, but:  Some friends of mine, many years ago, bought a funny-looking little puppy at a shelter, and the shelter people didn't know what breed it was.  Short-haired golden puppy with a weird Mohawk strip down its spine.

Anyway, they brought it home and confined it to the kitchen while it was being housebroken.  They kept it from going into the living room by putting a 2x4, on its side, across the doorway.  The puppy was so small it couldn't jump over the board.

A year later, the dog is a ginormous Rhodesian ridgeback (almost 150 lb / 70 kg) who thinks he's still a puppy.  Wants to climb up into your lap, jumps around in joy when visitors come over, etc.  So when they have company, they confine him to the kitchen . . . by putting the 2x4 across the doorway. 

And the dog will lean way, way over the board, looking mournfully out, like Why have you locked me in here?  But he won't jump (or just walk) over the board.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: DM on October 17, 2007, 11:03:30 AM
3 dogs - Kane, the German Shepherd, is only 10 months old and is already 85 lbs.  Smart fucker too.  We had to install dog door on the back side of the house because when he was tall enough to reach the door handle, he would let himself in from the back yard.  The little dogs are cool as hell.     

3 cats.  All weird, even by cat standards.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 11:29:46 AM
My one dog is smart and manipulative little thing. I know I've told this story before but it's one of my favorites.

So I used to live on the second story of my apartment building. Turtle used to sit by the door when he needed to go outside but it was down a short hallway. I wouldn’t always see him right away. I ended up buying him this wireless dog paw doorbell. It was a big plastic dog paw that he pressed which would ring a bell to let me know he needed to go out. Training didn’t go so well. He hated, hated, pressing that thing for some reason. Every time before we went out I would pick him up, carry him over to the paw, and take his foot and manually press it against it to ring the bell. He wouldn’t do it on his own though and continued to sit by the door instead.

One day my boyfriend and I were having some nice foreplay leading into sex. And wouldn’t you know it. Ding dong. I groaned – and not the good kind of groaning. If I didn’t take him out, the dog, then I’m negating his training. If I do take him out I have to get dressed, walk down stairs, let him do his business, and then get back into the action. As with everything in my life, dogs come first. My boyfriend actually offered and took him out for me. So they come back in, he gets undressed, and game on. Ding dong. I looked over at Turtle and I swear this dog had a smug F.U. look on his face. I told him No! And he pressed it again! And again. And again. I finally had to pick the damn paw up off the floor.

The only time that dog ever used the thing is when I was having sex.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: BizB on October 17, 2007, 11:54:35 AM
I have a dog and a cat.  Cadence, the dog, is very stupid.  So stupid, in fact, that she comes across as well trained.  That's because she won't do anything until you tell her to do it.  But, it's not because she's so well trained.  It's because the only thing going on in here little dog brain is, "I love you, daddy!"  She's not capable of independent thought or action.

I have a jingle-bell tied to a leather string by the back door.  She uses it to tell me when she needs to go out... sometimes.  Most of the time she'll stand by the back door wagging her tail until I say, "Ring the bell."  Then, she does.  If she's not standing next to the bell and I tell her to ring the bell, she will paw at whatever is closest to her... the cat, the couch, a box... whatever.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: DM on October 17, 2007, 12:10:45 PM
Hehe. 

Before we got the dog door, Kane would slam his paw against the blinds on the back door when he wanted out, which was every five minutes.  We'd let him out and five minutes later he would let himself in.  We were always letting him out and closing the door when he let himself in.  That effin' dog door was one of the best investments we made. 

Kane is very alert when it comes to his surroundings.  If he hasn't seen me or Elaine for a while, he'll come into to the room we are in to check on us.  He also wanders a lot.  He is always walking through the house and going into the back yard to make sure everything is copasetic.  I really need to start spending more time training him because he has been babied over the last few months.     
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 17, 2007, 12:14:02 PM
I really want that kind of dog. 

And someone to walk him in bad weather and take care of him on weekends when I'm away.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 12:18:54 PM
I wish my dogs could let themselves in. My back screen door isn't locked/hinged very well so they can just push on it to let themselves out. But then they paw and slam up against the door when they want back in.

I'm thinking about getting doggie insurance. Not sure if it's worth it and have not done any research on it yet. If it pays for teeth cleaning it might be. I'm more worried about when they get older and start having health issues. They are 4, 2, and 1 human years. It's quite possible 2 of them will start to go downhill at the same time. I need to start socking money away now to pay for future medical bills.

I'm also worried about having a baby with 3 dogs. I can't imagine having to give up any of my dogs but you never know what the future holds. Of course, no need to worry about it as the baby thing is a just a theory in a distant galaxy far far away.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: DM on October 17, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
I used to think pet insurance was stupid until last weekend, when Kane got his stitches.  That wasn't cheap.  I'm considering insurance too.  The little dogs are allergic to vaccines.  The first time we took them to get their shots, their faces got all swollen up and stuff.  Scared the shit out of us and we rushed them back to the vet.  That wasn't cheap either.   
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on October 17, 2007, 12:41:39 PM
Three cats each with their own talents:
one pisses on stuff
one barfs
one hairballs and, if sufficiently annoyed, poops
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 17, 2007, 12:56:26 PM
1) Tunie: Black, 4 year old rescue cat Steve brought home from this sad animal shelter outside of town. She's Momma's baby. She's always waiting by the front door for me when I get home. We have this routine where I pick her up and throw her over my shoulder and we walk around the house for 10 or 15 minutes. I've been thinking I need to get one of those baby slings to put her in so I can use both hands to do chores.  :lol: And no matter where she is in the house, and regardless of whether the door is open or closed, she runs in the bathroom when she hears me pee. No idea why.

2) Pepper: A 3 year old tabby we got a few months after Tunie, to be her companion. Pepper is the opposite of Tunie; she's pretty laid back. She's Daddy's baby. She loves to be petted, but does not like to be picked up and held. You can hear her purr from across the room.

3) Eeyore: A female box turtle, about 7-8 years old. I pick snails for her to eat from the garden. Somehow she knows when I'm coming to put a snail in her terrarium; I've never seen a turtle move so fast and get so excited.

4) Buster: A male aquatic turtle (red-eared slider), about 8-9 years old. He recognizes Steve's voice (Steve got him when he was very small) -- and after 6 years he recognizes my voice too. About twice a year we buy Buster 5 feeder goldfish. Every time he eats 4 of them right away, and then leaves the last one alone to share the tank with him. Eventually the gold fish gets to be 3 or 4 inches in size, and Buster decides to eat him -- it's like he's raising a cow for beef. However his current "steak", "Big Boy", has been in the tank with him for almost a year and is about 7 inches long now, bigger than Buster. So we're not sure how that's going to play out.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on October 17, 2007, 01:08:33 PM
5 p1g5
2 Gouramis
6 Corydoras

*edit*

1 giant golden freshwater snail
1 small non-descriptive snail that was a freebie

*edit again*

3 Ghost shrimp
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on October 17, 2007, 01:10:39 PM
One deaf, creaky, lazy as hell border collie.

She's still on the job though. Counts the kids each morning, and barks if they're not all present for breakfast. Also barks if  they're running late for school, and if they haven't fed her or changed her water. Otherwise doesn't bark at all.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on October 17, 2007, 01:12:25 PM
Bear is a ten and a half year old mutt from the pound.  He is probably German Shepherd/Norwegian Elkhound mix with who knows what else.  He is incredibly intelligent and communicative.  He does a great job with Ian and is very protective.  He weighs about 75 pounds

Scooter is a two and a half year old mutt from two un-neutered strays from the Gilroy hills.  She is probably a mix of some sort of terrier, coyote, and possibly German Shepherd.  It's weird, she has the same markings as Bear but without the fluffy curly tail.  She is about 35 pounds and is very sweet, but not too bright.  She is also incredibly fast and agile.  She is wary of Ian and tries to keep an 18" buffer between them.  But she obviously has welcomed him into the pack, nonetheless.

Both are good hunters and get a bird every once in a while and rodents have been eradicated at every residence because of Bear mostly.  Both are obedience trained and are basically free range in and out of the house.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 17, 2007, 01:19:16 PM
I'm also worried about having a baby with 3 dogs. I can't imagine having to give up any of my dogs but you never know what the future holds.

I have a good friend who has four dogs, and they had no problem when she brought home her daughter. She let them all have a good sniff of the baby, instead of shooing them away from her, and they accepted her daughter into the pack right away.

My cats, however, don't like babies. Everytime one of our friends brings a baby over and the baby starts to cry, the cats freak out. They must think it's a wounded animal or something.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: DM on October 17, 2007, 01:23:54 PM
One deaf, creaky, lazy as hell border collie.

She's still on the job though. Counts the kids each morning, and barks if they're not all present for breakfast. Also barks if  they're running late for school, and if they haven't fed her or changed her water. Otherwise doesn't bark at all.

Does Daylight savings time screw her up?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on October 17, 2007, 01:26:31 PM
Not really. Right now it's pitch dark when we get up, but she's still taking roll. I think she sees the light come under the kitchen door and feels the water running through the pipes in the wall, so that's how she knows we're up (she has a house with a heated bed in the insulated garage, so she's not really left out, but in the cooler months we close the back door to keep the garage from getting too cold, so she has to let us know when she wants out).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 01:34:57 PM
I'm more worried about having enough time for the three dogs and making sure they get their walks and such. Plus I see people giving pets away all the time because their kid ends up allergic to the pets.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 01:37:20 PM
I understand the whole food chain thing but watching an animal eat another animal grosses me out. My friend had a soft shell water turtle and he would get a goldfish once a week or so. The turtle just pecked at the goldfish for days. That poor thing would be swimming around with chunks of himself missing but not enough to kill him. That's horrible.

I heart animals.

They're tasty.

I saw this shirt for sale that said:

Of course I love Cats. I just can't eat a whole one by myself.

I thought that might be funny for me to wear.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on October 17, 2007, 02:24:29 PM
Greyson - ~18y silver tabby shorthair male cat. The old man of the mountain. Full name: Greyson Frostworthy the First And Only. Small now, due to CRF and lost muscle, but the others will only play with him, never mess with him. I don't know why. But then, I don't mess with him, either.

Kuro - ~16y black shorthair male cat. Grey in his whiskers. This is the one that at puberty decided I was the incarnation of evil stealing his beloved mistress away.  :eyeroll: He's fidgety and skittish but his purr can be a roar when he's happy. For him, petting is a two way process.

Pupuli - 3y brown tabby medium hair female. She outmasses each of the gentlemen, and is desperately trying to achieve Kuro's second place in the hierarchy. A bit neurotic, and loves to rub my beard. This is the one that got scared by a phone call at 2 AM (which we were expecting) and landed on my face, foreclaw in my eyelid. She'd like to go outside because it's not inside, and because the idea of chasing birds off the lawn intrigues her. That the crows are bigger than her doesn't seem to enter into her thoughts at all.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 17, 2007, 03:44:17 PM
I miss my pets.    :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 03:47:30 PM
 :(

Oh don't cry.

here, you can pet me....
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 17, 2007, 03:48:13 PM
Cool.

So how do you feel about leashes then?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 03:51:18 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 17, 2007, 03:52:47 PM
I'll be right over.



 :bolt:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 04:01:15 PM
I'll prepare a fresh box of cat litter.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 17, 2007, 04:04:26 PM
I'll prepare a fresh box of cat litter.

That's very considerate.  I take it you don't have a working bathroom, then?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 04:05:35 PM
Yeah. What's your point?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 17, 2007, 04:09:42 PM
Yeah. What's your point?

Nothing.  I'm pretty pointless.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 04:12:35 PM
Uh huh.

Maybe we should re-think this you coming over thing.

And to think. I almost wasted fresh cat litter. Geesh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: DM on October 17, 2007, 04:20:02 PM
I didn't piss in ANYBODY'S closet!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 04:24:20 PM
 :cock:

It's okay that you like :cock: . I do too. I just don't want to wrestle over the same cock with you Feanor.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 17, 2007, 04:29:41 PM
:cock:

It's okay that you like :cock: . I do too. I just don't want to wrestle over the same cock with you Feanor.

I'm very selective about it.  I normally bring my own.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 04:32:37 PM
Does it come with a warranty?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on October 17, 2007, 04:34:07 PM
I didn't piss in ANYBODY'S closet!

Nor did I but I did go in and subsequently come out of said closet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 17, 2007, 04:39:17 PM
Does it come with a warranty?

Yep.  An extended one.   :D
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 17, 2007, 04:42:13 PM
Hey,

Where did all the pet talk go?

Okay, let's say there's an after life and you get to meet up with one pet and one pet only who would it be? And it can be a current living pet or a pet that has already passed. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on October 17, 2007, 04:51:37 PM
None of my pets like bourbon.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on October 17, 2007, 08:28:52 PM
I had two 11 year old cockatiels, but earlier this month I was reduced to one. It was traumatic. I have had them since I graduated from College and they were/are very much companion animals - as much as a dog or a cat.

We have a 4 1/2 year old Rabbit named Barrister (if there is anyone on this board who didn't already know that) who is a great pet.

We also have a cage with a Canary named Orion (6 yrs), two society finches named Rigel (6 yrs) and Messeia (4 years) and a Zebra Finch named Bill (7 years) (because when I took him to the vet for a bum leg they asked me what his name was and I said he is a Zebra finch he doesn't have a name. And then when they gave me a Bill for 87.46 I said that his name was heretofore gonna be Bill).

I also have a Bonsai Sheffelara tree that is 16 years old. I call it Tree San. He has many offspring and if you like growing plants and want a special one I might consider giving you a trimming next time he needs to be disciplined.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on October 17, 2007, 08:36:18 PM
Hey,

Where did all the pet talk go?

Okay, let's say there's an after life and you get to meet up with one pet and one pet only who would it be? And it can be a current living pet or a pet that has already passed. 

It would probably be our dog Molly who was hit by a car and died when she was only about 10 months old.  I still miss her and still feel horrible that I didn't get to say goodbye :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Damn you Irish
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 17, 2007, 09:22:47 PM
That's a tough one, Irish. There are so many that I miss.

I think Tigger, who was my first cat, would be a leading contender. I was 8 and we went to the Seattle Animal Shelter. We walked by all the cages and I stopped to look at him and he reached his paw out to me and started purring loudly. He was a tabby with a weird tale deformity, like someone had tied his tail in a knot (that wasn't what happened; the vet said he probably had Manx in him and that caused the knobby tail). He was the sweetest cat. He lived to be 16.

There was also Lucy, that my first husband gave to me the first year we were together. Lucy only lived to be 6; she came in one night from being outside all day and had a runny nose. By the morning she was nearly comatose. She died at the vets that afternoon. Some kind of serious infectious respiratory virus. I didn't get to say goodbye.  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

She was also a very sweet cat. She's the reason I don't let my current cats go outside. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 17, 2007, 10:04:51 PM
I'm sort of fortunate in that I haven't had very many pets die on me.

My cat Artemis is 6.5 yrs old, and has had problems with arthritis for the past 4 years or so. The only thing I have her on is some glucosamine treats and a diet to help her lose a few pounds (though it's not working). She hates when I cough or clear my throat, ESPECIALLY if she's laying on my chest, which she must do when I get in the bed at night. She mews this pitiful meow when I cough or do anything, and after a while she just gets fed up and leaves. She's funny, and I think I'm funny too, because I know her routine so well. At night, she gets in the bed with me, does her sit-on-top-of-the-girl-who-feeds-me thing, then settles down on the bed next to me while I read. As soon as the light goes out, she bolts, and I can hear her crunching on food, and then using the litterbox, and then she comes back to bed. Anyway. Perhaps because she's my only companion when I come home, I feel like I'm really close with her. Is that sad? Even as she annoys me LIKE SHES DOING RIGHT NOW OH MY GOD STOP SCRATCHING AT THE JUNK MAIL ON THE FLOOR I still don't want to think about when she won't be here anymore.

Growing up I had Miss Kitty-the cat we got when I was about 2 (who lived until she was 20 years and 4 months) Man I was so mean to that cat when I was a little kid. Not on purpose, I loved her so much, but I would do things a kid does to a cat to torture it. Like, for example, making her swim in my Barbie Pool. She was my brother's cat but when I got a little older and chilled out, she also got older and liked my company. It was hard to let her leave us, we had to put her down the weekend after 9/11/01, and that whole time was just a blur. I'd just moved out of my parents' house, and I'd just gotten Artemis a few months earlier. I think Miss Kitty held on until she knew I was going to be okay, or maybe she just felt I didn't need her to hang on anymore. :(

Ashes was my dog, a spunky little Cairn terrier mix with a curly tail. He was always shaggy, and had a slight underbite. He was definitely my dog, and I think he was jealous of Miss Kitty. That makes me sad. A funny Ashes story: He used to dig obsessively under the chain-link fence in the back yard to get into the front yard. Why I'm not sure, but he always ended up running. Maybe he hated us, maybe he just wanted to run. Anyway. One day he got out, and someone saw him so I took off running after him down this 4 (+suicide) lane highway (on the sidewalk). Luckily he wasn't quite dumb enough to run into the street. I was probably like 11 years old. Anyway, I ran after him and my dad followed me in his pickup truck. I finally caught the little bugger, dad pulled over and I got in. Well, half an hour later, the state police came a knockin' on the door saying someone saw a man in a red & white pick up truck stop and pick up a little girl on the side of the street. Oopsie. At least our neighbors were paying attention, I guess. Ashes died 3 days after Christmas one year. He started acting really depressed and wouldn't eat and we took him in and they X-ray'd him and thought they saw a blockage in his intestines. They went in to do surgery and found he had "masses of cancer" throughout his abdomen, and they didn't wake him up from surgery. I was really really upset that I didn't get to say goodbye. He was a good dog.

We had other dogs, but I don't remember them much. Phyllis was some sort of poodly-mix who mysteriously disappeared one day. I was young, my father told me he took her back to "work" and that was the end of it. I think she got hit by a car in reality. We had a cat my dad's friend found in the woods. This cat had no business being indoors, except he was solid white. Well, he was after we scrubbed the oil and burrs out of his fur. He knew how to play to people, tried to be buddies with Ashes (and eat his freaking dog food), and possibly tried to have his way with the then 10+ year old (elderly) Miss Kitty. She, by the way, HATED the white cat. I'd never heard a cat growl until my dad brought this cat home, and then Miss Kitty wouldn't stop growling the whole time we had him. He was pure evil though. Dad didn't want to get him fixed for some reason, so that didn't help either. I have multiple scars on my hands (and wrist, it looks not good) from that evil thing, and his demise came after he attacked a little neighbor boy down the street. Dad took him back to his friend's house who found him in the first place. Miss Kitty had 2 kittens when she was 2 years old (I was 4), neither one of which lived very long. A) no one knew she was pregnant and B) no one knew how to care for newborn kittens (Hint: do not let young neighbor child with strong grip handle kittens EVER, the mental image I still get of that boy... guh) and C) no one knew to check under the hoods of their cars to make sure there weren't any kittens hiding in there trying to keep warm. I didn't find out about that one until a few years ago. Miss Kitty got fixed soon after that (and the vet is the one who gave her the 'official' name, Miss Kitty).

That was long and possibly an effed-up view into my childhood.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: DM on October 18, 2007, 03:53:32 AM
Hey,

Where did all the pet talk go?

Okay, let's say there's an after life and you get to meet up with one pet and one pet only who would it be? And it can be a current living pet or a pet that has already passed. 

I miss Suzie.  She was an adopted cat that I took with me when I moved out on my own.  There are also the prairie dogs.  I miss those little creatures.  Given the choice of only one, I would have to say Candace, the Siamese cat that I lost 1.5 years ago.  She and I had a special bond.  She was a real bitch and didn't like anybody but me.  There were times I would have to physically move her out of Elaine's way because she would hiss at Elaine. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 18, 2007, 08:25:01 AM
Okay, let's say there's an after life and you get to meet up with one pet and one pet only who would it be? And it can be a current living pet or a pet that has already passed. 

Since I've only had one pet I've really bonded with, I'd have to say Bo D. Man (the D is for Dhi).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on October 18, 2007, 09:24:27 AM
Stupid thread made me  :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ivan on October 18, 2007, 02:12:19 PM
I think Ellen needs to STFUAGTB. Buy her hairdresser's daughters another doggy. Apologize to the pet rescue fanatics for not giving a rat's ass about their cause. Go to the frikken pound and save an animal from being snuffed. Move on.

Sheesh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 18, 2007, 02:31:00 PM
I think Ellen needs to STFUAGTB.

Shut The Fuck Up And Grease The Beanpole?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on October 18, 2007, 03:36:15 PM
STFUAGB2/b/ ?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ivan on October 18, 2007, 03:44:13 PM
Jesus, I have no idea what I typed there.

I'm a little stressed on account of having the most insane workload of my life this week.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 18, 2007, 03:55:59 PM
I think Ellen needs to STFUAGTB.

Shut The Fuck Up And Grease The Beanpole?

I don't know if Law would like that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 18, 2007, 04:16:23 PM
:spittake:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on October 18, 2007, 04:30:50 PM
From the little I've read/heard about it, I think the rescue people are the ones being a bit... well, inflexible at the least. And I heard Ellen promised to STFU about it.

I assumed TOA would be all over this story, and I'd like to hear her take on it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 18, 2007, 04:52:19 PM
There are reasons while these rules are in place. Sure it's easy to say let the family have the dog but there could be a bunch of back story to this that we don't know about. Most, if not all, adoption agencies have a stipulation that you are not allowed to re-home an animal yourself for whatever reason. They are trying to make sure these dogs find not just a good home but the right home. There's a big difference. It's not fair to give the dog away with the possibility of it changing owners again and again. The adoption agency tries to place it with the right family. This one in particular had a policy of no kids under 14. Did Ellen know if the dog had any history of not getting along with kids in the first place? Or did she just offer the hairdresser the dog because they like dogs. It's not that simple always. I think Ellen's heart was in the right place and had good intentions but she messed up. She should have read the contract and been aware of the policies.

And really - you all know I LOVE dogs but these kids are like 11 and 12 and have had the dog for like 2 weeks. Sure it's sad but they'll get over it. Get them a new dog for crying out loud.

From what I hear:

A staff member of Ellen's called the adoption agency and made veiled threats that if they don't return the dog they would go pulic with the media and the negative press would reflect badly.

The agencies policy is no kids under 14 but supposedly they have been slack on that rule before. They also never did a home inspection before releasing the dog to Ellen.

I think it's sad and all but really..... I like Ellen a lot but to see her bawling like that on television - well I've lost some respect.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on October 18, 2007, 05:11:27 PM
Yeah, there's actually a recording of that threat - they played it on Good Morning Amerika. I agree, that's fucked up.





Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 18, 2007, 06:12:52 PM
Quote
There are reasons why these rules are in place.

It's true. On the other hand one of the big issues being bantered around in the animal rescue field is that adoption rules are getting way too strict, i.e. to the point where animals are being euthanized rather than rehomed.

As an example, some rescue groups will turn you down if you live in an apartment. The theory being it's somehow cruel to restrict a dog or cat to 600 square feet of living space its entire life. But if a person can give a dog or cat a loving home, does it matter how physically big or small that home is? Do we really prefer to euthanize rather than give them a slightly less-than-ideal living situation (or in the case of no-kill facilities, keep that animal at the facility indefinitely, which also is a slightly less-than-ideal living situation)?

I've actually never heard of a rescue group that won't rehome to a family with kids under a certain age. While some animals do come in that don't do well with kids or other pets (and it's a half-and-half whether the animal is at fault for that anyway), there are still plenty of prospective adopters that fit that requirement. Most rescue groups now do behavior assessments on each individual animal that comes in (they'll also try to get the former family's reason for surrendering their pet, if possible), rather than make a broad, restrictive rule like that.

But this Ellen thing is pretty strange. I know that N.O.A.H. prefers that they return the pet to us if there's a problem with a pet when the family gets home. But we don't track people down and inspect their homes, before OR after the adoption. That's a little... extreme. It also takes a lot of wo/manpower that could be used elsewhere.

I have heard of situations where a pet has bonded better with some extended family member or friend, so they go live with that person. But ultimately, we don't have a right to go in and demand the return of that animal, unless there's actual abuse occurring  (and that's extremely rare -- generally the people who come in and pay the $100 adoption fee are good people).

The phone threat thing, though? I haven't heard the actual message, but that sounds fucked up. Hopefully that person is being escorted out of the office by security this afternoon.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 18, 2007, 06:57:54 PM
There was a very recent news story about this woman who was hoarding animals out in Rochelle, IL (not exactly a suburb of Chicago, but it's up around here somewhere)

This group up here rescued 250 cats and dogs and in addition, several cages full of birds. Many of the cats were found in the basement, where there was no light. The woman apparently was living on her porch while the animals took over the house. Poor things. Anyway, the rescue happened, and they took all the animals to a regional airport with an empty hangar. It's too early for them to start adopting out the animals due to legal reasons (I think they were just seized earlier this week or late last) but most of them are going to be fine. Here's the story (with somewhat disturbing photos of this woman's disgusting house, but you can click on the 'gallery' to see current, nicer photos of the cleaned up pets.)

http://www.tailshumanesociety.org/main.asp?id=27
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 18, 2007, 07:06:52 PM
I can't even look.

I have a really, really hard time seeing things like that, even when I know there's a positive end to the story. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 18, 2007, 10:50:32 PM
Okay so I just got done moving the cages around again since Turtle kept going to the chair instead of his cage. In fact he basically refused to get into his cage ever since I moved it to Wall B.  Back on Wall A I used to have Turtle's cage on the right and Baver's cage right next to it on the left. I put the bin of toys where Turtle's cage used to be and his cage right next to it where Baver's cage used to be back on Wall A. And what does he do? Gets in the toy box since he still considers that spot his "den". What an ass! I thought moving it back to the same exact area would be good enough but nooooooooooo he needs the exact spot.  :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 18, 2007, 10:57:40 PM
My corgi is like that.  We'd always kept a wire crate (like this (http://www.mightypets.com/General-Cage/General-Cage-BK-Series_large.jpg)) in a spot next to our sectional downstairs.

With a different living room arrangement, the crate got moved to a different spot.  She would still insist on lying on the spot where it was though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on October 19, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
On sort of a similar thing, TOA, I get rather ranty when it's assumed one is a bad animal parent should you not live up to that high standard of "ideal" situations for your pets. I remember getting a lecture from the current vet we have to deal with that "the standard" was a litterbox for every cat you had plus an extra. So for us that'd be four litterboxes... in (at the time) a ~550 sq. ft. apartment with a toddler and a baby. NOT REALISTIC. And I said so. And caught some condescension for it. Also, we shred newspaper for the litterbox rather than buy litter, and clean it/replace the shreds every night. Cheap as free and litter doesn't get tracked all over. Vet gave me flack for that too. WTF? Pisscat does have pissing issues, but they're not related to the number of litterboxes or type of litter, trust me on this, I've had her for 9 years now. I can understand the vet suggesting things to try because for some cats those are issues, but the more-than-implied attitude that one should not have a pet if this standard of perfection isn't met is irritating as fuckall, since either thing is not a problem with the cats I have.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ivan on October 19, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
My rule of thumb is: one litter box.

One BIG litterbox.

Years and years ago, when I suddenly became a single caretaker of a stray mommy cat and her 7 kittens, I pressed into service  a 2.5' x 4' shallow bin that was probably meant to be used as something to mix cement in. It worked admirably.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 19, 2007, 01:50:28 PM
I know a LOT of people who buy those underbed storage boxes and throw away the lids.  The only real problem with them is that the bottom isn't smooth from edge to edge, and so you can't scoop them as thoroughly as you probably should.  My brother and SIL have two of those and a covered litter box (for the cats, I mean), and my brother washes them out every spring and fall.

They need it, too.

My little Seusshadow cat is obsessed with clean litter.  Whenever I change her box, she has to go in and do the zen garden thing for about twenty minutes.  She won't 'go'; she just wants to push the litter around.  I really wish I could train her to have two boxes:  a 'show box' that's just for art, and a regular private one for poop.  But I suspect she'd use both for both, which would spoil the effect.  (I'm a bit traditional when it comes to art.)

I think if I filled a box with pea gravel, though, she'd zen it but not soil it.  I may try it one of these days.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 19, 2007, 02:00:40 PM
Tunie does the zen thing as well. She gets very anxious if I go a couple days late in changing the box.

I finally found a replacement charcoal filter for the top of the covered litter box. It makes a huge difference in the level of odor (like virtually none, thus far).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 19, 2007, 02:56:21 PM
I know a LOT of people who buy those underbed storage boxes and throw away the lids.  The only real problem with them is that the bottom isn't smooth from edge to edge, and so you can't scoop them as thoroughly as you probably should.  My brother and SIL have two of those and a covered litter box (for the cats, I mean), and my brother washes them out every spring and fall.

They need it, too.

My little Seusshadow cat is obsessed with clean litter.  Whenever I change her box, she has to go in and do the zen garden thing for about twenty minutes.  She won't 'go'; she just wants to push the litter around.  I really wish I could train her to have two boxes:  a 'show box' that's just for art, and a regular private one for poop.  But I suspect she'd use both for both, which would spoil the effect.  (I'm a bit traditional when it comes to art.)

I think if I filled a box with pea gravel, though, she'd zen it but not soil it.  I may try it one of these days.

My wife and I always kept two litter boxes for our cats, right next to each other in the basement.

We always noted with curiosity that one was always used more than the other on any given week.  One would be very heavily used, the other would be practically spotless.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on October 19, 2007, 03:04:11 PM
When I put fresh litter in, Pupuli has to use that box, right then. It's one way to get her out of a room we don't want her in, actually.

But if I don't scoop out stuff every day I get messages from the owners telling me I'm living up to my contract.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 19, 2007, 08:03:40 PM
Really, TOA, on the charcoal filter?  I've had boxes with 'em and without 'em, and I've never noticed any difference.  Maybe I need a better class of filter.

I have a spare small powered air filter, and I was considering buying a replacement charcoal filter meant for something else and glomming it on, then putting it above the catbox.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: bit zero on October 21, 2007, 10:16:27 PM
6 Corydoras

seven leopard corydoras
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on October 21, 2007, 10:24:37 PM
omg they're breeding

THEY'RE IN THE COMPOUND
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on October 21, 2007, 10:27:39 PM
Yeah. Whoops.

All I know is that there are various animals in this house and they will harass me until I feed them. Then they will leave me alone.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 22, 2007, 09:08:47 AM
Bo hides when I clean out his box like he thinks I'm mad at him, but goes in immediately to mark his territory.  Biz's cat watches him clean the box, inspecting to make sure Biz does it right.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 22, 2007, 09:35:22 AM
Bo hides when I clean out his box like he thinks I'm mad at him, but goes in immediately to mark his territory.  Biz's cat watches him clean the box, inspecting to make sure Biz does it right.

My two cats would do that, taking turns to keep watch over what I'm doing to ensure nothing is screwed up.

I always considered cats to be "management".  They sit around watching you do all the work, and the only time they ever speak up is if you are making a mess of things.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 22, 2007, 10:40:48 AM
I finally uploaded a bunch of pictures of Triple over the weekend and stuck them on Flickr. I sent the link to the lady who gave me him since she didn't have time. She appreciated the update and pictures and felt better knowing he was doing well.

I didn't tell her I renamed him though as there is no way I'm owning a dog named Rocky.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 24, 2007, 11:10:04 AM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/1642171497_69ce89acf6.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 24, 2007, 11:22:09 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on October 24, 2007, 11:42:50 AM
oof that's 2 of them now

edit: oops  i meant 2 loldogs/cats not my stupid double post  :whatever:

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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on October 24, 2007, 08:28:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXCuW9LDps
A little too close to home, I think.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 24, 2007, 08:47:37 PM
Fucking cats.  They ALL do that.  Don't let their innocent cuddly act confuse you.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 25, 2007, 09:08:33 AM
 :lol:

It's so Bo.  Down to the meow.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 25, 2007, 09:41:20 AM
I have tracked it for a few weeks now, and there's NO question that the hairball treats make my cat about three times more likely to barf up hairballs.

Mind you, these are supposed to be anti-hairball treats.  And now she's addicted to them.  I thought it would be a handy alternative to the Laxatone, but I can see that, um, not.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 25, 2007, 09:46:10 AM
I had exactly the same experience with the "no more hairballs" treats, minus the science.  In fact, I put what was left of them in the trash last night.  We'll see how that worked out for me later...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Encino Man on October 25, 2007, 11:30:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXCuW9LDps
A little too close to home, I think.

My mom's two cats work in tandem. One licks her face while the other burrows under the sheets and nibbles on her toes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Min on October 28, 2007, 02:35:42 PM
My Percy died yesterday.  He was a really good little cat.  But he wasn't afraid of cars or dogs.  It was one of the dogs that got him.

I loved that cat so much that Enrique would joke that I'd be in big trouble if our first child came out orange striped.  Haha.  I'd look guiltily back at him and say, "But my grandfather was orange striped!". 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on October 28, 2007, 03:09:37 PM
 :(

 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 28, 2007, 03:20:26 PM
Oh crap, a dog??

I'm sorry, hon.

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 28, 2007, 03:24:48 PM
 :cry: :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on October 28, 2007, 04:21:10 PM
That just plain sucks.

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on October 28, 2007, 04:23:45 PM
My rents drove 3 hours to go adopt a rescue puppy. (It was transported from Lousy Anna to New Hampster, so this is already a well-traveled mutt.)

 :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

It's an odd looking thing. It looks the most like a Jack Russell but has a curly-q tail. Now they're trying to figure out a name for it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 28, 2007, 05:20:03 PM
Oh Detta, I'm so sorry to hear that.   :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 28, 2007, 05:23:12 PM
:hug:

I'm so sorry, detta. :(

Whose dog was it?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 28, 2007, 07:46:08 PM
Damn, detta.  That's awful.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 28, 2007, 10:55:31 PM
Also, holy crap. The cat who lives at the vet's office (the one who was attacked by a dog a while back) is also named Percy.  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on October 28, 2007, 11:39:37 PM
Oh, Detta.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 28, 2007, 11:42:59 PM
If you remember, my parents lost their dog a month or so ago.  Yesterday they got 2 new golden retriever puppies, 12 weeks old.  I saw pics today, they're adorable.  My dad named the boy Duke (I think my mom is going to make him pick a new name) and my mom named the girl Reilly.  I did not point out that she forgot the "O'" in front.   :eyeroll:  My aunt got a pup from the same litter and named her Rylee.  yeesh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on October 29, 2007, 07:29:49 AM
i'm sorry to hear that min :hug:

was it a neighbor's dog ?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 29, 2007, 08:26:36 AM
 :( Detta

 :thumbsup: Feff and Andrrrrrhea

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on October 29, 2007, 08:55:42 AM
:bummed:

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on October 29, 2007, 09:31:08 AM
That's horrible :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 29, 2007, 01:42:03 PM
(http://assortednutz.com/liz/pups.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 29, 2007, 02:01:57 PM
Oh, stop.  I want to walk out into traffic to protect them, even if they're not in immediate traffic peril.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 29, 2007, 02:25:41 PM
I know.  :(  I  wish my mom had had them when I was there 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Min on October 30, 2007, 03:34:02 PM
Thanks everyone.  I'm so sad.  Percy was a little gem.  It was the neighbor across the street's dog.  Percy was in their yard.  He probably tried to fight that dog.

Give your pets a hug.  I'll probably wait until summer again to get a new baby cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on October 30, 2007, 03:34:52 PM
Thanks everyone.  I'm so sad.  Percy was a little gem.  It was the neighbor across the street's dog.  Percy was in their yard.  He probably tried to fight that dog.

Give your pets a hug.  I'll probably wait until summer again to get a new baby cat.

 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on October 30, 2007, 03:55:51 PM
:(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on October 30, 2007, 04:25:08 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on October 30, 2007, 04:30:55 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: 12ax7 on October 30, 2007, 08:35:45 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 31, 2007, 01:08:11 PM
Another one of my animal hoarding MIL's dogs got out of the yard and hit by a car a few days ago. She's just now telling us this, because she knows that Steve will read her the riot act. Apparently my SIL let the dog, who was on a chain 24/7, off for a little while, thinking the fencing around the yard had somehow become escape proofed since the last dog fatality.

Well, the dog ran off. Wouldn't you? He was gone two days before my MIL started asking neighbors if they'd seen it. And one of the neighbors had. He had been keeping it in a garbage bag for two days because my MIL never answers the door when she's home, and he didn't want to just leave it on her doorstep.

Now I'm just praying she doesn't decide she needs another "replacement" or a "Christmas miracle." She's managed to restrain herself pretty well the last four or five pets that have some to bad ends (and they all have).

 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on October 31, 2007, 04:35:05 PM
 :(

This thread should be a happier place. It needs more pet pictures. Don't make me go out and get a kitten just so I can post a bunch of pictures of it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 31, 2007, 05:04:16 PM
A tiny cat:



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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on October 31, 2007, 05:12:22 PM
Thanks, Axe.

Do you belong to her?

And she doesn't look tiny to me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 31, 2007, 06:11:59 PM
Yeah, that one's mine.  The puffiness makes her look bigger than she is.  She's six years old and weighs six pounds.  At least two pounds of that is fur.  She's one of those cats that wants to ride around on your shoulder like a parrot, but quieter -- her normal meow is whispery, aspirated but surd.  It goes with the fur.  She does have the longest ear fur of any housecat I've ever seen -- it's been clocked at over three inches.

But they're all weird, aren't they?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 31, 2007, 06:21:32 PM
The cat I had growing up, Miss Kitty, was fluffy and looked much bigger than she was. She also weighed 6 lbs her whole life... well, except the last year or so. She lived to be 20, so it was a good long life.

I'm off work this week and I seriously considered making this the week to get a new kitten. But what with my face 2x as wide as usual and the bruising and the general malaise, I think I'll put it off some more.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on November 01, 2007, 12:19:55 AM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2040/1642979694_3cf8395624.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2290/1812998740_bb4f0580e1.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2031/1812160829_a5fc0b2fbf.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on November 01, 2007, 01:01:51 AM
We got stuck in a bloody battle with a Fark swerver, so p1g 0 w33n went down after midnight this year. They didn't seem to mind.

(http://www.igettofinish.com/BC/IMG_0395.sized.jpg)

(http://www.igettofinish.com/BC/IMG_0419.sized.jpg)

It's damn near impossible to get all five into one shot, but I managed.

(http://www.igettofinish.com/BC/IMG_0399.sized.jpg)



*edit: display now PLZ?*
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on November 01, 2007, 01:13:31 AM
The bags were stuffed with parsley, carrots, spinach, and red lettuce.
Not super fancy, but we had a long day. The TurVeggen should be impressive this year. So..... they'll deal.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on November 01, 2007, 05:45:25 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 01, 2007, 10:39:02 AM
The black cat with her tongue sticking out.  I must have that for an icon.  May I?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 01, 2007, 10:57:47 AM
Yeah, sure.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on November 08, 2007, 11:53:19 AM
My neighbor was working in our backyard the other day. I hear her yell into my apartment if I could come out and help her. So I get on a pair of shoes, exit the door, and she's standing there looking at my dog Triple.

Triple is in the play position: Chest and head down on the ground and his ass and tail wiggling in the air. In his mouth is a BIG white bra. He's shaking the bra around back and forth trying to break it's neck I suppose.

She had the basement door open and he decided to take a trip down into the laundry room to see what he could find. My other neighbor has started to call him Bandit as he steals everything. The other day I had to wrangle my neighbor's hat away from him. Later that night I caught him trotting through the apartment with my queen sized comforter in his mouth dragging it along the floor as he made his way to the back yard.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 08, 2007, 11:55:04 AM
Oh no. *stifles laugh*
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 08, 2007, 12:59:28 PM
*doesn't*   :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 08, 2007, 01:03:41 PM
And I thought Pupuli's hunting and torturing of used dryer sheets was odd.

Well, she was having a static cling problem, and they seemed to help...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on November 08, 2007, 01:21:54 PM
Grrr. And the thing is he’s so freaking cute! Like when he had the comforter, he was literally trotting and prancing. He looked so happy and so proud of himself because he thought he was getting away with something. His head was held high and his chest all puffed out. How do you discipline when they’re that cute? Geesh. And then I stick him in his cage and he just sits there at the door trying to lick the bars. He's got a wide tongue and it looks like he's a goat or a cow in their pen.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 08, 2007, 01:58:22 PM
How do you discipline when they’re that cute?

The classic parents' dilemma.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on November 08, 2007, 02:08:37 PM
How do you discipline when they’re that cute?

The classic parents' dilemma.

Yes, last night Lilia and I were visiting a friend's new baby and she was being a hardcore brat, but in a funny way.  The new dad was doing his best not to laugh when she was looking at him.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on November 08, 2007, 02:20:48 PM
Grrr. And the thing is he’s so freaking cute! Like when he had the comforter, he was literally trotting and prancing. He looked so happy and so proud of himself because he thought he was getting away with something. His head was held high and his chest all puffed out. How do you discipline when they’re that cute? Geesh. And then I stick him in his cage and he just sits there at the door trying to lick the bars. He's got a wide tongue and it looks like he's a goat or a cow in their pen.

I find that this paragraph is a lot more entertaining if I assume she's talking about thed.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on November 15, 2007, 11:53:17 AM
My dogs keep stepping on my boobs.  :angry:

It's painful  :angry:  :angry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 15, 2007, 12:11:46 PM
Kuro only walks over my wife's bladder when she is trying to get up to go to the bathroom.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 14, 2008, 06:32:27 PM
My relationship with my pet stray cat is not working out too well. I think she's a slut. I've seen a lot of other cats hanging around here, and I've heard... noises. I think it's just a matter of time before I find a bunch of kittens around here. I think some of you warned me about this, and yeah, I should have known better, but I really didn't feel right trapping the poor thing. She still won't come anywhere near me. I don't know what to do. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: ivan on January 14, 2008, 07:17:13 PM
It is very likely already too late.

There will be a very, very small window of time when her little ones are old enough to do without her, even though she still dotes on them. She is easy to trap in this stage. The goal is to intervene before she makes herself available to other suitors, which can happen sooner than you expect.

As far as the cat goes, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 14, 2008, 07:31:20 PM
I say call a shelter now.  Say you hear cats fscking in your yard at night, and you've recently started seeing a stray hanging around.  (No point in saying you've known about it, etc, for longer than that.  You've already lectured yourself.)  Ask if you should try to trap the cat now, to bring her in, or wait until after kittens appear and then try to bring in the whole lot.

But if you like this little feral monster -- and why not -- get her fixed and try her as an outdoor cat.  In my experience, female cats who get fixed fare OK when re-released (as well as before, I mean), although male cats, um, lose a lot more moxie.  If you keep giving her food, she'll keep hanging around, but there will be less noise and fewer satellite cats.

The vetting will cost you some bucks, most likely, but I think it's worth it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 14, 2008, 07:52:12 PM
Atlanta Animal Alliance has a program called Project CatSnip (http://www.atlantaanimalalliance.com/aaa/projectcatSnip.htm).

The "Trap, Neuter, Return" concept has pretty much become a national standard in the animal rescue field (N.O.A.H. does it too, that's how I know about the Atlanta program).

They'll loan you a humane trap and you can bring her in to be spayed (and immunized) for minimal cost. They will also probably "ear tip" her (they clip the tips of the ears so she is identifiable as a TNR feral and won't be trapped again).

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Stoater on January 14, 2008, 08:11:28 PM
Now that sounds like a cool program.  :thumbsup:

This is my cousin: http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/hubcats.html / http://www.droptrapdesign.blogspot.com/
She needs to get herself an interbutts designer and host pronto.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 14, 2008, 08:18:25 PM
The vetting will cost you some bucks, most likely, but I think it's worth it.

Plenty of vets will spay/neuter strays for very reduced cost. I know one of my old roommates found a couple of cats and had them neutered for $25 each. Female cat probably will be more expensive, though. Call around and see if the vet will do the discounted surgery.

Does she come into your house at all? Well, I was thinking of devising a clever plan to trap her, but eh, it'd probably be easier to get a trap from the SPCA, since that's what they're meant to do. Cats only stay pregnant for like 2 months and then they wean the kittens at 6-8 weeks or so so you'd have another litter of kittens there in 6 months...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 14, 2008, 08:50:49 PM
I didn't know about the Trap, Neuter, Return program. I thought that was frowned upon. That sounds like the answer then. I'll definitely check the AAA out.

And no, this cat is very skittish and runs every time I open the door. There's no way I could trap her inside, and she would probably claw the hell out of me if I tried to grab her anyway. I'll just put down the deposit to get a decent sized trap.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on January 15, 2008, 06:50:03 PM
I've had really good luck trapping neighborhood strays with one of these (http://www.doyourownpestcontrol.com/SPEC/pick-rangerraccoon.htm) I bought at a local farm & fleet store.  Bait it with something good and you're bound to catch her.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 15, 2008, 06:53:28 PM
I've actually got one of those, but it's not quite that big. Big enough for squirrels and opossums, but not a cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on January 15, 2008, 06:59:34 PM
Yeah.  For cats you need the "racoon sized" trap.  Mine cost me $38 and has never failed me yet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 15, 2008, 08:21:49 PM
:?:  A trap big enough for a big possum should be big enough for a stray cat.  A big possum (OK, whatsit, Virginia opossum) is like 2' long and 15lb, whereas a small adult raccoon is stray-cat sized and a big adult raccoon is way bigger than a big housecat.

Of course, it's often easier to get an animal into an extra-big cage, so no harm in the bigger one.  Or maybe the possum trap is only big enough for small possums?  Come to think of it, a possum is more likely to cram itself into a small container that has no other exit, compared to a cat that's likely to be warier in that situation.  Whatever.

I've never trapped a wild cat.  What bait would you use?  Catnip?  Wine? 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 15, 2008, 09:02:14 PM
The vet tech suggests mackerel.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 16, 2008, 06:06:16 AM
Mackerel is pretty stinky, so that makes sense. I could probably use the trap I already have, I mean a cat could fit in it, but once the door slammed shut and it started freaking out, it would be a pretty ugly scene - I don't think it would have room to turn around, and it might cut itself on the cage. The opossums I've caught in it were pretty sedate, and a little bit smaller than a cat. Squirrels go absolutely bonkers when trapped. I even had one growling at me one time. He must have been pretty disappointed when his growls were met with my rolling laughter.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on January 16, 2008, 12:13:21 PM
We always end up with free samples of dry cat food that come in the bags of the food we normally buy for our own cats.  Some of the samples are decent quality food even (Science Diet, et al), so I've always baited the trap with a bowl of that.  Worked every time, surprisingly.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 16, 2008, 09:04:47 PM
Dry catfood : possums :: coke-caked $100 bills : crackhead.

I have no idea if any non-felines go coco for catnip puffs, which is why I thought of that first.  Most mammals want red wine, but I know cats tend to go crazy for it (whereas dogs seem to prefer beer and champagne).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 16, 2008, 11:47:07 PM
My cat likes marshmallows and rainbow sherbet, so maybe you could try those. ;)

(And they say cats can't taste sweet things!)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on February 05, 2008, 12:27:03 AM
I've turned my dog into a junkie.

Baver has bad allergies and the doctor told me to give her flaxseed oil on their food. I checked that it's okay for the other pups. No problem. Turtle will now, not eat his food unless it's on there. Even if the bowl is full he scratches at it until I come add the oil. If I don't do it quick enough (or just don't have any) he starts growling at me which eventually turns into a full on bark-a-thon. This is an old story, but that's the backdrop for this new thing he does.

I decided to cut him off cold turkey. It was not pleasant for days. I think he went like 3 or 4 days before he finally started eating it dry. Well Baver's allergies came back with a force and so I started the oil up again. Turtle's eyes were big and bright. It wasn't cute; it was scary. I, at first, tried to keep him away from the bowl but he wasn't having it. I just caved.

Here's the thing though. He started doing the normal scratching requesting I oil him up. So I do. Then he just sits there not eating. The other dogs would come over to eat out of that bowl. I would push them away and place the bowl in front of Turtle. He would turn his head or back up. I couldn't figure it out. Why was he asking for the oil if he had no intention of eating?

I finally figured it out. This is how smart my dog is. The other dogs would come along and eat almost all the food down to the bottom of the bowl. Turtle would then come in and lick the sides and bottom for excess oil. He didn't want to eat but he couldn't lick the bowl properly with all the food in the way and he wouldn't get the oil put on unless there was food in it. So every time he made me put it on he knew one of the dogs would eat it fairly soon. He just sat there patiently and waited.

On the one hand I'm a proud proud mother of my exceptionally smart, albeit a bit conniving, son. On the other hand I'm horrified he resorts to such tactics to get his fix. I blame myself.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 05, 2008, 09:00:50 AM
Flaxseed oil, eh? Has his head suddenly become a lot bigger? Muscles inexplicably standing out? Is he hitting lots of home runs?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on February 06, 2008, 05:41:54 PM
Dogs love fatty acids.  Fish oil and flax seed oil are favorites.  We give the dogs the pills as a treat for taking other meds.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on February 06, 2008, 07:12:28 PM
Speaking of fish oil, my cat's breath smells strongly of fish. I know this because she likes to get all up in my face and meow at me, or yawn, which is lovely. Anyway, I can't figure out *why* it smells like fish. Her food is made with chicken, and the only treats she gets are these dehydrated chicken slivers that have glucosamine in 'em. I know glucosamine is derived from shellfish, but I don't think that could cause fishbreath, could it?

Oh, wait. The ingredients on her food list "fish oil" about halfway down. I guess that could do it...maybe. Otherwise my conclusion was going to be that unbrushed teeth will naturally start to smell like fish. And yes, I'm a terrible kittymom because I don't brush her teeth. I also don't clip her claws. (She gets an expensive vet-manicure a couple times a year) She's very strong and hates to be held, and I don't like skin abrasions caused by said very-sharp claws.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on May 20, 2008, 12:08:34 AM
Triple has been pawing at the back of the couch for a few days now. I figured a bone must have dropped behind there that he can't get to. I finally took pity on him tonight while trying to recover the hidden goods. After pulling the couch away from the wall he was still coming up empty pawed. My couch is made up of two big long cushions that are both recliners. I opened them both up, got on the floor, and scootched my way under there. This peaked the curiosity of the other two dogs. So there all four of us where underneath the couch with our our butts and tails in the air. Almost wish I had a picture of that. Those dogs have me so trained.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 20, 2008, 06:31:56 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Someone should have snapped a pic of that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 20, 2008, 04:25:24 PM
My cat is a genius. With a superb economy of effort, he has been demonstrating not only that he misses my wife, but also that cats do not suffer from the mechanical overuse humans call laryngitis.

And since economy is his middle name, he's demonstrating it to me in the giant economy size.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on May 20, 2008, 08:37:45 PM
Yes, I have a cat that does that as well... in fact, today she was alternately pleading with me not to leave/bitching me out for leaving to go to work.

I'm pretty sure she has some Siamese in her. The strangest sounds I have ever heard come from that cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 20, 2008, 09:54:48 PM
Ramona, Carmen, Java are all four years old. Vyvyan is seven. From the recent weight readings - Java and Vyv are 800 grams and dropping. (The 600's are the finish line so to speak.) Yeah, Vyv's been all "I DON'T WANT TO GO IN THE CART" for about two years now, but, I can see the tenacity starting to slip. 4 to 5 is pretty much maximum lifespan for p1g5, and I am trying to get ready to deal with that because it looks like it might be more than one check out at the front desk.
Ugh.
Oh, and Ramona's foot is looking like it's going to act up again.


:dugahole:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on May 21, 2008, 12:49:58 AM
I feel for you. Just thinking of my dogs passing is enough to bring tears to my eyes. They're all about 2 years apart and I pretty much expect it to be one right after the other.

Vyvyan sounds like she had a major good run though if she's seven. Dealing with the passing of pets are never easy. Hell, I don't get as upset when relatives die - horrible to say I know.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on May 21, 2008, 11:22:36 AM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 21, 2008, 07:00:18 PM
I feel for you. Just thinking of my dogs passing is enough to bring tears to my eyes. They're all about 2 years apart and I pretty much expect it to be one right after the other.

Vyvyan sounds like she had a major good run though if she's seven. Dealing with the passing of pets are never easy. Hell, I don't get as upset when relatives die - horrible to say I know.



 :lol: :lol:

I'm exactly the same way.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 21, 2008, 08:55:44 PM
I've never had a (human) member of immediate family die (knock on wood). I am definitely closer emotionally to my cat than I ever was with a non-immediate family member. Really, you don't get much closer to someone until they start scratching on the door while you're sitting on the toilet. Pets don't judge you. They definitely show emotion, and they can read yours too. When I think about the cat dying, I definitely get all choked up. Picturing my poor kitty likely not knowing what's happening to her..ugh. You're their caretaker, so you feel responsible if they're uncomfortable. (And death seems to the living to be the ultimate in discomfort sometimes.)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on May 22, 2008, 11:03:27 AM
My dog always tries to sniff my crack when I'm sitting on the toilet taking a dump. Wiping is a challenge with Triple around sometimes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 22, 2008, 01:10:24 PM
My cat's all frantic from the move.  She'll be happy about it once she settles down and realizes that the house is all hers, but the ghosts are freaking her out at the moment.  It took me almost an hour the other day to calm her down and get her to lie in her hammock and watch the birds outside the window.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 22, 2008, 01:24:53 PM
Dog is up and down. She won't willingly eat, which bugs me, but if we take her favorite food and hold it up to her nose she'll eat it for a while, then she'll trot off (yeah, she can almost run now) and go do something else. She drinks water all on her own, thank Bob.

I think she's disoriented, still. A lot of the time she acts perfectly normally: she even went and got a tennis ball and brought it over when we were sitting on the grass, to much amusement. Yeah, we're not going to throw that.

I'm gonna bug my stepsister and her hub via email: they're both vets, but they live in the bay area. See if they have any hints other than just be patient.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 22, 2008, 04:41:29 PM
 :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 22, 2008, 11:30:40 PM
 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: karion on May 29, 2008, 09:54:52 PM
Dog is up and down. She won't willingly eat, which bugs me, but if we take her favorite food and hold it up to her nose she'll eat it for a while, then she'll trot off (yeah, she can almost run now) and go do something else. She drinks water all on her own, thank Bob.

I think she's disoriented, still. A lot of the time she acts perfectly normally: she even went and got a tennis ball and brought it over when we were sitting on the grass, to much amusement. Yeah, we're not going to throw that.

I'm gonna bug my stepsister and her hub via email: they're both vets, but they live in the bay area. See if they have any hints other than just be patient.

I'll continue my mad posting spree and just say  :hug: :hug: :hug:

How is she doing now?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: karion on May 29, 2008, 10:03:00 PM
And you already know this, zorgs, but I did a truly batshit insane thing last weekend and decided the way to cure my little neurotic dog (entirely my fault for that) was to get him a buddy.  Even though the little guy - Dexter (sweet but probably evil in a perfectly acceptable way) - is only eight weeks old, he stands up to Darby and one hour of playtime and he is out for the day.  Territorial Darby is chilling the fuck out a little bit - I have been aggressively retraining her, with some success - and we're trying to make it work.

Edit:  Goddamn it, I am out of BC shape and cannot figure out how to post a picture. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 29, 2008, 10:10:55 PM
amazing cute, K ;)

My dog's doing better. She's a lot steadier, but she's having trouble eating. We're feeding her by hand. She had a bunch of blood and urine tests and she's fine, no kidney trouble as they feared. Pretty relieved.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: karion on May 29, 2008, 10:13:20 PM
http://flickr.com/photos/suitep/2526822802/ (http://flickr.com/photos/suitep/2526822802/)

GODDAMN IT, I can't remember and I am stubborn.

(http://flickr.com/photos/suitep/2526822802/)

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: karion on May 29, 2008, 10:16:18 PM
amazing cute, K ;)

My dog's doing better. She's a lot steadier, but she's having trouble eating. We're feeding her by hand. She had a bunch of blood and urine tests and she's fine, no kidney trouble as they feared. Pretty relieved.

I seriously cannot imagine it.  Other than Giardia and the very rare upset stomach (almost always occasioned by me giving her a bone that is too rich for her blood), Darby has been pretty healthy.  I am hoping Dexter is as sturdy.  Truly amazing how intense that bond becomes. 

I am so glad to hear yours is on the mend.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on May 29, 2008, 10:47:36 PM
oh that's a good picture.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: sm0k4 on May 30, 2008, 06:16:20 AM
http://flickr.com/photos/suitep/2526822802/ (http://flickr.com/photos/suitep/2526822802/)

GODDAMN IT, I can't remember and I am stubborn.

(http://flickr.com/photos/suitep/2526822802/)



Puppy Butt!  :D
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 01, 2008, 11:36:09 PM
Seven years is kind of incredible for a p1g. Their odometer is only supposed to reach 3 to 5. Vyv made it to 7+ but is havening health issues that are impacting her quality of life, so I have to make The Call tomorrow and schedule a time to draw the proverbial curtain. Fuck. This pig has been with me longer than any of my relationships.

Just when I thought life sucked hard enough as it was, it has to go and get that last huge kick to the nuts in. Oy vey.


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 02, 2008, 12:19:31 AM
 :(

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on June 02, 2008, 12:48:10 AM
Awwwww....:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 02, 2008, 01:39:19 AM
 :(  That's a long life.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TehPnuk on June 02, 2008, 03:14:09 AM
I can only hope to exceed my life expectancy by 2.3.

:hug:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 02, 2008, 05:46:27 AM
Oh damn.  :(

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: sm0k4 on June 02, 2008, 06:09:23 AM
I'm sorry.  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 02, 2008, 07:58:49 AM
:hug:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on June 02, 2008, 08:37:36 AM
I'm so sorry.

But I truly admire your ability to make this decision based upon what is best for her as opposed to what you desire. Sometimes the hardest duty we have as pet caretakers is deciding when enough is enough.

I have known too many "animal lovers" who have selfishly, and needlessly prolonged a pet's life because they couldn't bear to part with their company. You have had a long time and she has had the best care that any G-Pig could ever hope for.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 02, 2008, 08:42:18 AM
What she said. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 02, 2008, 09:31:25 AM
 :love:

Thanks y'all. I have to take Java in today because she's under 700 grams (this is bad) and passing blood. I seem to be running into pigs with a lot of UT issues. Pearl had 'em, Harold had 'em. Crank had kidney issues. Jeeze louise. Today is even her birthday according to the rescue shelter we adopted her from. I went upstairs and asked them if there was anyone else who wanted to have an issue now so we could put them in the back of the car since the vet is now an hour away. Carmen chattered her teeth at me and Vyv just stood defiantly in the kibble bowl and stuck her nose in the air at me. The upward nose is the pig equivalent of flipping the bird.

 :eyeroll:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Psidefect on June 02, 2008, 09:54:47 AM
Oof. :(

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 02, 2008, 10:12:45 AM
I'm sorry you have to do this. Why can't we make the pets as immortal as the effects they have on us?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 02, 2008, 06:25:29 PM
$170+ later....

Java had a kidney stone the size of an M&M. For a human, that would be like having a ping pong ball lodged up in there. She lost 1/3rd of her body weight, so I'm sitting with her on the couch in a big patch of sun and giving her Oxbow Critical Care paste. Dr. D removed the stone by breaking it up into several pieces, but still.... OUCH. Nasty. The x-ray made us both cringe. Still no guarantees that I can beat this one because she's lost so much weight. It would have been a done deal if the stone had managed to completely block the urinary tract. That would have caused the urine to back up and the kidneys to fail. Ugh.

Pets are a four letter word.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on June 02, 2008, 06:35:46 PM
When it rains, it pours.

 :(



Title: Re: Pets
Post by: First Post on June 02, 2008, 07:15:09 PM
 :hug:

Yeah, Fred made it to three on my watch (altho I don't know how old he was before I adopted him). That was during one of my internets hiatuses. I was pretty bummed about it, esp since there's always the "could I have done more" question, but he seemed just fine the night before, or I failed to recognize any outward signs.

Nowadays I "have" a really cool cat that adopted me a year ago, and a small kitten that showed up a coupla weeks ago from who knows where, and now appears to be doing the same.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 02, 2008, 07:41:21 PM
Pigs are masters at frontin.
The only way we can tell something's wrong is if they behave way far out of their normal ways - or- if there's a weight drop. Otherwise, you'll never see it coming. It's frustrating. They're so awesome and so short-lived. Ugh. J-Unit's been napping off and on on my lap. She'll only settle down if I'm holding her which is kind of strange. You'd think it would be the other way around since most critters want to be left the hell alone when they're laid low.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 02, 2008, 07:53:04 PM
I hate kidney stones! Hate, hate hate. I'm glad the doc was able to break it up, though.

Greyson's doing better. If we let him free feed, he'll eat almost enough, losing about a quarter ounce a day. If we force feed him just one quarter can (1.5 oz) of the "Recovery" (high calorie stuff), he'll stay stable or gain a quarter ounce. I was hoping by now the pill I give him for his IBD would make it so that he's doing a better job of processing what he takes in, but apparently not yet. At least his appetite's returned. Force feeding him stops him eating so much (:googily:), so we're trying to avoid that.

He's not out of the woods, but we're somewhere in a continent wide forest. This is going to be a while, one way or the other.

Did I mention my dislike of renal calculi?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 05, 2008, 11:26:38 AM
I... uh... may be the owner of 3 kittens.  :uncertain:

More on this story later as it develops...

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 05, 2008, 11:28:32 AM
ORLY?

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 05, 2008, 11:38:23 AM
I... uh... may be the owner of 3 kittens.  :uncertain:

More on this story later as it develops...



 :lol:
 :lol: :lol:
 :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 05, 2008, 11:39:57 AM
Cool! Except, you do know you have the ownership arrow pointing the wrong way, right?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 05, 2008, 05:20:25 PM
Heh. Yeah, you got that right.

So anyway, this story goes back a few months. I'm not sure if it was in this thread, but I was telling y'all about this stray cat I had been feeding, and that I had heard... noises. I was asking opinions on what to do, and I think the consensus was that I should have her neutered, which would have involved trapping her, because she's pretty wild, feral would be the correct word, I guess.

Obviously I never did anything about it. When my mom got put in the hospital, I was away for a couple of weeks at least, and when I came back, I didn't see the stray for a while. When she finally showed up, she was pretty thin, so I assumed she had had the kittens somewhere. This was around the end of March or beginning of April. After a few weeks with no signs of the kittens, I assumed they had died at birth or soon after. She doesn't look very healthy, too skinny to have kittens really, and it was pretty cold back then. I never could figure out where she stayed at night. I tried watching her as she left my house after eating, but she would go off in different directions each time.

So last night, I walked out in the backyard, and saw a cat out there. I didn't recognize it at first, but after a few minutes I realized it was the male cat that had been following her around. Most nights when I get home from work, she's sitting by my back door waiting to be fed. Lately she's been all splayed out on a table out there (it's pretty damn hot down heah), so out of it I thought she was dead one time. Anyway, when I feed her, she'll eat a little bit and then leave. Several times I've caught the male cat out there eating her food shortly after that. I don't like the male cat. He's a mangy looking fucker that looks like he sleeps under a car that leaks oil really bad. He's got big patches of fur missing, like he's diseased. I've chased him off several times, worrying that he's going to give some disease to my pet stray cat. So last night I see this male cat in the yard, and then I see one of the kittens for the first time. And then another, and another. He's like watching over them. Yeah. Dear ol' dad. Eventually she makes an appearance, so I see the whole family. He leaves shortly after that.

This morning she's at the back door, as usual, waiting to be fed. I look around, but no kittens. I feed her, and then after a few minutes, the kids appear. She's eaten most of the dry food already, so I opened up a can of food for the little ones. They scattered when I opened the door, but came back after a couple of minutes.

So I get home from work today, and she's all splayed out as usual, so I put out some food for her. Again, no kittens to be seen anywhere, but after a few minutes they showed up. I got pics. I'll have them up in a few...

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 05, 2008, 06:11:12 PM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/1splayed.jpg)
Here's the mom, splayed. I don't know if you can make out her back legs in the pic, because it's shot through the glass door, but they're spread apart and like totally straight.



(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/2whole-gang.jpg)
Here's the whole crew (as far as I know...). It's obvious in this picture that she's been nursing. I've never seen her sit like that until the kittens appeared.



(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/3nom.jpg)
This one's got the dad's genes. Not too cute. He's a greedy little fucker too - he ate more food than any of the others.



(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/4brown.jpg)
Alpha kitty. This one is the liveliest of the bunch. He had his paw on the black one's head, and was hissing at the other kitty, trying to get all the food. I thought he was my favorite, but the more I look at the next one...



(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/5gray.jpg)
This one looks black from the side, believe it or not, but the black fades into gray Tabby, which is pretty cool looking.



(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/6o.jpg)

O...

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/7hai.jpg)

HAI





Yeah, pwn3d  :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on June 05, 2008, 06:12:08 PM
WAR kittens??
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 05, 2008, 07:12:23 PM
Dude the kitten you try to say is "not too cute" a) is adorable and b) looks sorta like my cat (though I'm not biased for point (a), I swear)

Kittens are cute. I love the nubbular straight tailage.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 05, 2008, 07:17:22 PM
Trap 'em and haul them in to the vet's office for a check up and shots. It would suck if they had a tangle with anything rabid and weren't immunized.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 05, 2008, 07:29:11 PM
Sooo, we're back from the G-graveyard. The vet told me that I had made the right decision. It didn't make me feel any better about it, but it did make me feel a hell of a lot better about my judgment. Vyv was at end stage of her life and would have begun to suffer if I held on any longer. I bought her a bunch of dandelion greens for the road from Whole Paycheck and she chowed, took a nap, woke up, and chowed some more.

(http://www.thehelliswrongwithyou.com/imgs/Photo_060508_001.jpg)

She was pretty happy rooting around under that pile (which she had already eaten half of.) 7.5 years is not too shabby for a critter that normally only sees 3 to 5. There's a mourning dove hooting outside. Kind of appropriate. I hope I won't have to bury any pigs for a while. The one two punch was a little too much.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 05, 2008, 08:49:28 PM
 :(

Ugh.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 05, 2008, 08:58:02 PM
I'm sorry :(

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 05, 2008, 09:14:26 PM
Aww. :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: sm0k4 on June 06, 2008, 05:48:06 AM
I"m sorry too  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 06, 2008, 08:24:05 AM
:( :hug:

Sometimes doing the best thing means doing the worst thing.


I can deliver some good news, though. My old dog's getting better. She can eat on her own now, her regular food, and she walks around pretty much normally (running is still right out though). And she has her voice back. In fact just now she barked once to summon U2 from bed (she is running late). Obviously she's more comfortable and happier.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 06, 2008, 08:54:15 AM
:( :hug:

Sometimes doing the best thing means doing the worst thing.


I can deliver some good news, though. My old dog's getting better. She can eat on her own now, her regular food, and she walks around pretty much normally (running is still right out though). And she has her voice back. In fact just now she barked once to summon U2 from bed (she is running late). Obviously she's more comfortable and happier.



That is  :detta: :detta: :detta: :detta: :detta: :detta: :detta: :detta: :detta: :detta: :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 06, 2008, 04:54:13 PM
The kittens are missing  :(

The mom is out there. She was sitting under the stairs of the deck, looking kind of depressed. There was still food in the bowl from this morning. When she saw me, she came out and ate a little bit and then started moping around, making a sad sound while she did a half-ass search, but she's staying pretty close to home base. She was looking toward the neighbor's yard, which is fenced-in. They've got a little dog like Karion's, but I don't know if it stays out when it's hot like this. It's like 90 something degrees out there, so they may have wandered off and be holed-up in some shade somewhere. I've walked around the house twice, trying to find them, but no luck so far. I guess I'll go back out in a while and do a more thorough search.

Did I mention I saw a fox behind my house a couple of weeks ago?  :uncertain:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 06, 2008, 06:46:51 PM
Dammiiiiiiiiiiiit.

Looking around the yard, I saw a couple of places where it looked like a big dog had taken a crap and then scratched dirt over it. There's a pit bull that occasionally runs loose in the neighborhood. His days may be numbered.

I can't believe that something could have gotten all three of them though. Doesn't make sense. If something had come after one of them, then the other two would have hauled ass - they were big enough to move pretty fast. I saw Alpha kitty running up a tree the first night.

I keep wanting to think that they're back wherever they were before the mom brought them here, but she's acting like she's sitting there waiting for them to show up. I was sitting out there with her for a while, and every time a bird would chirp and make a noise that might sound like a kitten, she jerked her head up and looked around, so that makes me think she doesn't know where they are either. I'm guessing she's waiting until it gets dark to go looking for them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 06, 2008, 07:10:46 PM
I got one back...

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/gray-returns.jpg)

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 06, 2008, 07:23:36 PM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/black-returns.jpg)

Two... 

:pray:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 06, 2008, 07:27:31 PM
 :pray:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 06, 2008, 11:01:49 PM
Oh man. Does momcat seem less stressed now that those kittens are back? Are the kittens okay? They look ok in the photos, like they haven't gotten into too much trouble.

I hope you find Thirdy soon.  :pray:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on June 06, 2008, 11:42:13 PM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/black-returns.jpg)

Mom's got the I'm gonna kill you eyes.


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 07, 2008, 05:26:48 AM
#3 came back some time during the night. I just saw him climbing a tree.  :thumbsup:

Maybe he was up in a tree the whole time :shrug:

I get the I'm gonna kill you eyes a lot when the kids are close by. Other times she gives me the are you gonna kill me? eyes. It's weird. I've been feeding this cat for like 4 months or so, and she's never let me get close enough to pet her. Either she has grown up in the wild since birth, or somebody has really mistreated her badly. Sometimes she gives me the  :batteyes: from a safe distance. Actually, and you may know this already, an affectionate look from a cat is when they're looking at you with their eyes wide open, and then they very slowly close them and reopen them. You can do this to a cat to let them know you're not a threat - it's some kind of signal with them that calms them a little.

Mom cat seems more stressed when they're around, actually. When they were missing, she was in like a depressive funk, sleeping a lot, and laying there with her head resting on her leg, doing the thousand yard stare thing. The kittens seem ok. Some of their fur was kind of askew, but they all had a mutual lick-fest when reuniting to take care of that.

Now I've got to figure out some way to give them a little security. I considered letting them have the basement, and I still might do that... I dunno.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 07, 2008, 06:32:22 AM
Ah pets.

Is there nothing quite so invigorating as the sound of a cat vomiting at 6:30 am on a Saturday? If I were a smart woman, I'd invent an alarm clock with an optional "cat yacking" sound for the alarm function, because nothing gets me up faster than that sound.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 07, 2008, 08:51:22 AM
I found the kitten's hideout. It appears they spend the day under my neighbor Billy Bob's storage ark. The length of the storage ark is three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits, so they have plenty of room. It ought to be a pretty safe place for the time being. The biggest danger to them is Billy's dog, which is about as vicious as a teletubbie, and about as bright as a black hole. They will be subjected to country music though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 07, 2008, 09:42:58 AM
I found the kitten's hideout. It appears they spend the day under my neighbor Billy Bob's storage ark. The length of the storage ark is three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits, so they have plenty of room. It ought to be a pretty safe place for the time being. The biggest danger to them is Billy's dog, which is about as vicious as a teletubbie, and about as bright as a black hole. They will be subjected to country music though.

I'm conflicted. Part of me wants to laugh, and part of me wants to howl in utter horror.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 07, 2008, 02:52:50 PM
Quote
their eyes wide open, and then they very slowly close them and reopen them

The 'love blink', yeah.  It says, 'I trust you enough to close my eyes in front of you'.  Knights started shaking hands to demonstrate that they weren't holding or about to reach for weapons.  Same idea.

Dry cat food is like cat crack.  That fortified-with-cat-crack milk they sell at Petco, et al, is a powerful lure, too.  They'll be wary if you start moving the bowl, but you could fill it just halfway and then have a second bowl that's closer to where you want to lure them, and so on.  The problem with livetraps is that cats are deeply suspicious little fuckers, and if you catch one . . . the others will not likely be easily caught the same way.  There must be websites'n'shit with advice on this, though, and the local shelter may have good advice.

Food you put out for cats may also attract, among other things, possum and raccoons, though.  A raccoon is a bigger threat to kittens than an average dog is.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 07, 2008, 06:19:04 PM
Coons. Great. I hadn't thought of that. I've never seen a raccoon here, but I've seen their tracks down by the creek, which is a good ways from here.

I think the easiest way to catch the kittens would be to just leave the back door open and the food dish just inside the door. I think they'd probably come in, but it would still be a chore to catch the little scramblers.

I know I need to take them to the vet, I just don't know what to do after that. I'm torn.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 08, 2008, 08:39:42 AM
Yes, I'm going to continue to bombard y'all with kitten pictures.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/gray--mom.jpg)
Now there's the killer look.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/gray-close-up.jpg)
Working on his killer look.

These two came in the house this morning for a few seconds. I could have easily closed the door behind them. The mom is acting like she wants to bring them in the house, but I'm sure she'd like me to leave the door open too.

This kitten didn't leave with the other two this morning to go hide under the ark. I don't know what that means. It's going to be hot as hell today. I may end up letting it inside if it continues to hang around. I dunno. I sat out on the deck with them for a long time last night. They never came right up to me, but they weren't as scared of me as before. I left the light on, which attracted moths and miscellaneous insects, and they had a blast catching them. Alpha kitty not only climbs trees, he also climbs screen doors  :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 08, 2008, 09:08:29 AM
Maybe put a big, wide bowl outside full of icewater? Weeze does that for the strays near her place.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 08, 2008, 10:14:04 AM
Wow, the momcat came inside too? That's a good sign, if'n you want a family of 4 to move in.  ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 08, 2008, 10:45:28 AM
He's going to need a bigger boat.

 :P
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 08, 2008, 11:30:16 AM
The photos are killer.  Seriously, that's some great footage.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 08, 2008, 03:30:31 PM
Thanks man, the photos are not easy to come by. They're kind of like vampires. I need an infra-red flash.

I put out a big shallow tray that's the bottom to a big flower pot, and put enough water in it so that they could get in it and get wet, if they had a dog-like moment. I put some ice cubes in there and they pretty much dissolved instantly.

I opened the basement door this morning, hoping they'd go in there where it's nice and cool, but it's not like they obey my instructions, or even have a clue that the basement is there. The mom and the black kitten have been laying under the deck in the same spot all day, and seem to be ok. I don't know where the other two are. Under the ark or maybe in the basement.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 08, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
Yes, I'm going to continue to bombard y'all with kitten pictures.

Then you have to admit that they've adopted you and vow to do their bidding.  You can't make we fall in kitty wuv with those wittle faces and leave them to the foxes and dogs, dammit.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on June 08, 2008, 08:16:06 PM
Concur.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 09, 2008, 05:52:16 AM
Well, the mom cat and the black kitten know where the basement is now, so hopefully they'll get in there today to stay out of the heat. I don't know about the other two - maybe they like country music. I've got the basement door rigged so that it's only open enough for her to barely squeeze in. I've got a cement block holding the door from being opened any more, and a piece of wood holding it open.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 09, 2008, 09:34:47 AM
Nice!
You rock, Mo.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 09, 2008, 11:24:22 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 10, 2008, 10:26:58 PM
http://www.thecatconnection.com/page/TCC/PROD/BEST/PAWBREAKERS

I'm amused and frightened.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 10, 2008, 10:38:54 PM
Bizb posted this in IRC, I hadn't seen it yet. I totally lol'd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4

My cat and I have a fun game we like to play called "I put stuff on her back and she looks pissed off then bites it off." It's cute.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 14, 2008, 02:04:06 PM


INCOMING!!!

The kitten bombardment continues...

It was a little cooler today, and it was sort of overcast, so the kittens stayed outside longer than usual before retreating to the catacombs, allowing me the chance to get some pictures.

Photography note: I think I doctored every single one of these in PS for one reason or another. Sometimes just to try to return the pic to the way it looked before I did a "save for teh web".  A lot of them are cropped.



These guys are killing my plants. Eco terrorists of a different sort. I tried putting some stuff out there to distract them - a string hanging from a limb with a coosie on it, and I laid a board up against a tree so they could climb up into it, and then a board laid on the limbs where they could sit in the tree, but they still prefer attacking my plants.
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040498.jpg)



"it was like that when we got here."
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040500.jpg)



"i'm in yer fern, bending yer fronds"
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040521.jpg)



"teh green accents my eyes"
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040503.jpg)



for eldiem -
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040510.jpg)



lookit the ears!
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040512.jpg)



[can't think of a stupid caption for this one]
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040513.jpg)



[or this one either]
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040517.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 14, 2008, 02:13:41 PM
Bizb posted this in IRC, I hadn't seen it yet. I totally lol'd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4

My cat and I have a fun game we like to play called "I put stuff on her back and she looks pissed off then bites it off." It's cute.

 :lol:

I missed this post somehow. Those guys deserve an Oscar. :clap:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 14, 2008, 02:14:56 PM
There's something almost introspective about that last one. Or there's something underneath one of the leaves.

Cuteness - there is no defense.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 14, 2008, 02:32:36 PM
Cute kittehs!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 14, 2008, 03:01:52 PM
Awwww!!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on June 14, 2008, 03:32:53 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on June 17, 2008, 05:54:49 PM
Man.  That last kitten salvo was brutal.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 18, 2008, 08:14:28 AM
I tried putting some stuff out there to distract them - a string hanging from a limb with a coosie on it, and I laid a board up against a tree so they could climb up into it, and then a board laid on the limbs where they could sit in the tree, but they still prefer attacking my plants.

Well, yeah.  Cats, you know.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 25, 2008, 06:15:33 PM
Well, the kittens are all dead.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/hot-kittens.jpg)

Hehe. Not really  :P

It's 90 something degrees out there. This is what they do. Not very photogenic this time of the day.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 25, 2008, 07:45:56 PM
You're mean! I was upset for a moment there.

Little sacked out bundles of fur are cute, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 25, 2008, 09:25:44 PM
FYI if anyone *actually* posts pictures of deceased pets on here, they'll really be in for it. And not in a good way.

Thankfully I recognize the feline omigosh-it's-too-hot-we're-pathetic sprawling position.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on June 25, 2008, 09:54:49 PM
That's a cute picture
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 25, 2008, 11:26:24 PM
FYI if anyone *actually* posts pictures of deceased pets on here, they'll really be in for it. And not in a good way.

Thankfully I recognize the feline omigosh-it's-too-hot-we're-pathetic sprawling position.

I'll back that play.

I reckoned it was a "just foolin" picture. It's been stupid hot as of late and that's enough to knock anyone on their ass. Of course now that has me obsessing on the pond at the old place and whether or not it has enough water in it. GOD FORBID THE RESIDENT FROG BE INCONVENIENCED IN OUR ABSENCE.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 26, 2008, 06:03:29 AM
You forgot to pack the frog?

Road trip!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 26, 2008, 09:02:33 AM
The hot weather we had was making teh w1f3 fret about the dog. I think she was fine, she just sprawled in the shade and panted more vigorously. I pointed out that she can thermoregulate even when she's not moving or in the breeze, unlike us sweat-producers who have to have a bit of air movement to get a decent rate of evaporative cooling.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on June 26, 2008, 09:07:32 AM
The hot weather we had was making teh w1f3 fret about the dog. I think she was fine, she just sprawled in the shade and panted more vigorously.

I read that as, "teh w1f3 just sprawled in the shade and panted more vigorously."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 26, 2008, 12:33:00 PM
I thermoregulate without a breeze by combining wave functions to superpose photons and make low-energy infrared photons temporarily combine into a smaller number of higher-energy virtual photons that are more easily radiated mad blackbody-style.  By the time the wave fuction collapses, entropy already happened, biatch.



Shhh.  It's totally theoretically possible.  Of course, if I ever catch fire, everybody nearby will get burned, too, but nothing's perfect.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Encino Man on June 26, 2008, 12:38:24 PM




[can't think of a stupid caption for this one]
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040513.jpg)

OR ELSE IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN!

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on June 26, 2008, 01:05:49 PM
Back to the hot dead cat pictures ... I liek that they're all hanging out together in the same area. Kind of like a pack.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 26, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
Yeah, they're very pack-like. Especially right after they eat. They all get together and lick on each other. Every now and then, one will wander off a little bit from the pack, but generally they stick together.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on June 26, 2008, 05:44:30 PM
My cats are like that regardless of the temperature.... wait a minute, so am I.  :P
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 26, 2008, 05:55:13 PM
*licks all over TOA*
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Encino Man on June 26, 2008, 07:21:37 PM
http://my.break.com/Content/view.aspx?ContentID=526860
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 27, 2008, 08:52:57 AM
The NYSE had its worst month since the Great Depression.

In other news... KITTENS!

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/bird-feeder.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/black-in-chair.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/brown.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/gray.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/jungle.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on June 27, 2008, 08:57:58 AM
That black one looks like it has a white handlebar mustache.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on June 27, 2008, 01:02:35 PM
 :diabolical:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 27, 2008, 01:18:18 PM
Somebody needs to LOL that face peeking out of the fronds.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Encino Man on June 27, 2008, 01:25:44 PM
Somebody needs to LOL that face peeking out of the fronds.


(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6060/fertbc1.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 27, 2008, 02:38:58 PM
Thanks!  I've been busy...(you'll never believe it)...WORKING all day!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 27, 2008, 02:42:30 PM
That's good, but the font is all wrong.

(http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/6/27/iminurgarden128590692504700537.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 27, 2008, 02:49:15 PM
Yeah - what frickin' font is that?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 27, 2008, 02:56:44 PM
It's Impact.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 29, 2008, 06:38:43 AM
This is one of their favorite places to hang out. I don't know why they like it. There's a layer of white gravel in there that seems like it would be pretty uncomfortable to sleep on. Maybe they know it's one of my most expensive plants. This thing was beautiful when I first got it. Last year's drought took a toll on it though - most of the cool limbs that hang downward that give it the nice look are dead. And now, thanks to the kittens, there's a few more dead branches.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040672.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040673.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040675.jpg)

wook at da wittle feets!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 29, 2008, 10:01:55 AM
That's one of those Japanese maple shrubs, isn't it?  I want one or six of those.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on June 29, 2008, 11:03:10 AM
How much sun does it get? JMaples are understory plants and they like a good bit of cover. Especially the small ones with heavily dissected leaves. They are super sensitive to burn.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 29, 2008, 11:55:25 AM
Really?  I'm in desperate need of something that will grow in mostly shade.  I really need a hedge that will grow in mostly shade, but those seem few and very far between.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 29, 2008, 01:05:20 PM
Japanese Maple, yes, but not a shrubbery, I don't think.

How much sun does it get? JMaples are understory plants and they like a good bit of cover. Especially the small ones with heavily dissected leaves. They are super sensitive to burn.

It gets sun pretty much all day. And that pot it's in gets pretty hot too. It's a bad set up, I know, but it's the only place where I can really appreciate it. If I planted it in the ground, it would be lost in the yard. To appreciate its shape, it needs to be viewed from eye level. I've got another one in the yard, and it's a beautiful tree, but it would look much better in a different spot - like on top of a little hill or something. The tree in the yard is much healthier than the one in the picture above, and it gets sun all day too. Some of the tips of the branches are dead from last year's drought, but that's the first year I've had any trouble with it - it's been there for 5 years.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 29, 2008, 01:43:53 PM
I figured that didn't make much sense without pictures, so to illustrate my point:

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/top.jpg)
This is the view from the deck, where it would normally be viewed from. Did I mention we're working on another drought? I just watered it yesterday. That's part of the reason the grass is green around it. Also, the grass hasn't been trimmed around it.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/side.jpg)
This is the view with me sitting on the ground taking the picture. The sun came out from behind the clouds after I took the first picture.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on June 29, 2008, 07:28:06 PM
*demands more kittehs*
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 01, 2008, 05:26:36 PM
Your wish is my...

...excuse to post more kitten pictures.

This isn't a very interesting set, but it's all I've got at the moment. This set features the recently completed CatHouse™. It took about 5 minutes to build. Two concrete blocks, a couple of landscaping cement things, some scrap lumber left over from the fence, and a couple of rocks on the roof to keep it from falling off.

Among the amenities:

- It has a front door and back door, suitable for chasing through the house. The doors are offset - one in each corner, to make for trickier maneuvering.

- The roof doubles as an observation deck.

- Shower curtain flooring.

- Large unisex bathrooms in the rear of the complex, featuring thousands of leaves to scratch around in.

- Windows line the front and rear of the building, small enough to allow privacy, but large enough to allow a paw to reach out and scratch unsuspecting victims on the roof.

- An entertainment center, consisting of a piece of soft frayed nylon cord, tied to a piece of string, along with a annoyingly big leaf that dangles in the observation deck.

One of the things I like about this set is the mom cat. She looks like she's staring at something intently, doesn't she? She's not. There's nothing there. I think it's some kind of meditation thing. The kittens are back behind her, going crazy, chewing on her tail and swatting at it, and she never looks at them. It reminds me of the mothers with the screaming children that the moms can't seem to hear.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040720.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040721.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040722.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040723.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040725.jpg)

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 01, 2008, 05:39:05 PM
That rocks!

On a more naggy note, can you catch the mama and take her to the Humane Society for feral spaying?  It should be cheap/free.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on July 01, 2008, 05:41:30 PM
Those are awesome.   :thumbsup: for the CatHouse.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 01, 2008, 05:54:41 PM
That rocks!

On a more naggy note, can you catch the mama and take her to the Humane Society for feral spaying?  It should be cheap/free.

This has been my dilemma pretty much since they first appeared. They all need to be rounded up and taken in for shots. I could probably catch one with the hav-a-heart trap, but I think after that, they would all know better than to get in it. I still haven't been able to touch any of them. I've tried staying next to the food bowl right after I put food in it, and they will eventually come to it, but if I make even the slightest movement, or even make eye contact, they haul ass. The mom will let me get close enough where I could probably snatch her up when she wasn't looking, but I know I'd get scratched all up and she'd never let me get near her again. It's taken months to get her to relax as much as she has. I've never been around cats that are this afraid of people.

I really don't know what to do. I don't know what my long term plan is either. I don't want to break them up, but I can't keep all of them. At least not in the house. I don't know if they can even be domesticated after living outside this long. I'm going to have to do something eventually...

argh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on July 01, 2008, 06:32:37 PM
The short answer is, they probably can't be domesticated.  And even if you could get them inside and eating out of your hand, it's always going to be a degree of domestication.  They'll never be lap cats like normal domestics.

Seems like every farm I've ever been on has had a few ferrals running around.  Every time I've ever tried to pet one, the owners have always said, "Don't bother," and whenever I've asked them why they don't try to domesticate them, they've always eyed me like I was some kind of city boy fool.  I've been left with the distinct impression it just ain't gonna happen.

On the other hand, the mom might have once been domesticated if she's not too worried about you, so that could be a possibility.  But I suspect the kittens are too old to ever be comfortable being "held captive" by you.  But that doesn't mean they can't still be your outdoor pets, you're just never going to be their master.

I'd try getting some of those kitty treats.  Get them addicted to your kitty krack so they'll start taking it from your hands.  And work on the Pavlovian responses.  Get them used to hearing you opening the cans of food for them, or shaking the can of krack so they come running to you.  After a while you might get them to let you pet them, and we can call you Danceswithkitties.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 01, 2008, 06:34:06 PM
I bet the kittens could be domesticated.  Don't know about mom, though.

You could drug their food!   :P

To avoid scratches, use work gloves and/or a towel to pick her up.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 01, 2008, 07:36:43 PM
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Get them used to hearing you opening the cans of food for them, or shaking the can of krack so they come running to you.


I do that. And I take my time, dishing it out real slow, talking to them and stuff. Some times they'll start to lose control and walk towards the dish, but they always come to their senses and turn around and sit down with a look on their faces like "ah, I'm not hungry after all". And then they'll glance at the dish again. It's pretty funny, you can see the torment in their eyes.

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After a while you might get them to let you pet them, and we can call you Danceswithkitties.

 :lol:

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You could drug their food!

Yeah, I was thinking I could get them in the house and gas them. If I had some sleeping gas.  :P

I've got a new idea. It's going to require some research and a day off work though.

I promise I will get these guys their shots.
 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on July 01, 2008, 07:41:31 PM
I promise I will get these guys their shots.

You are a good guy.  I don't care what :flipper: says about you.   ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 01, 2008, 07:47:21 PM
How to trap a feral cat (http://www.atlantaanimalalliance.com/TNRinfo.htm)

Project CatSnip (http://www.projectcatsnip.com/catsnip.htm) - These prices are awesome, but I think there's a shot or two missing from there.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 01, 2008, 08:11:06 PM
I promise I will get these guys their shots.

You are a good guy.  I don't care what :flipper: says about you.   ;)

 :flipper: ?

I remember :flipper:

I miss :flipper:

:flipper: can say whatever he wants to. I don't mind.

:flipper: come home!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 01, 2008, 08:24:31 PM
How to trap a feral cat (http://www.atlantaanimalalliance.com/TNRinfo.htm)

Project CatSnip (http://www.projectcatsnip.com/catsnip.htm) - These prices are awesome, but I think there's a shot or two missing from there.

Yeah, that doesn't cover the feline Leukemia does it? That link is helpful though. I didn't realize there was anything like that offered out here where I live. I thought it would all be on the other side of town. I'm going to start with a call to the vet that I've used before, and then shop around from there.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 01, 2008, 09:09:05 PM
Yeah, feline leukemia and feline AIDS were the two that came to mind, although I can't remember if we bother to vax for AIDS.  Our cat never leaves the house.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on July 01, 2008, 10:07:29 PM
But that doesn't mean they can't still be your outdoor pets, you're just never going to be their master.

Pfffff. I have 3 indoor pets that I've raised and I'm still not their master. Case in point:

I had just opened up a fresh bag of dog food and set out two new fresh bowls. So what does Trip do?

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/2629339609_cc64c8cb88.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/2629339647_f23cb293c5.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2630160534_9c358aeb4e.jpg?v=0)

He decides to eat straight out of the bag instead. He just looooves it when he thinks he's getting away with something he's not supposed to be doing. The other night he was making a big-to-do over this bone he had and the other dogs didn't. Throwing it around, making noise, chomping on it loudly, clearly enjoying it and having fun. So I threw out another bone that Baver got. When Triple saw that he dropped his altogether and went to go pout in the corner.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 01, 2008, 10:09:39 PM
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So I threw out another bone that Baver got. When Triple saw that he dropped his altogether and went to go pout in the corner.

 :rollin: :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 02, 2008, 04:41:39 AM
That first picture cracks me up. It's like "O hai, just saving you the trouble of putting it in a bowl".  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on July 03, 2008, 10:00:25 PM
Update: My dog is an ass

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/2634814823_d8a021c566.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/2634815215_5d17eeaabe.jpg?v=0)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2634815579_ef55c1a396.jpg?v=0)

Now the other two dogs are eating out of the bag. And why not? It's all over the floor. Looks like I'm going shopping for a 20 lb. container tomorrow.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on July 03, 2008, 10:10:46 PM
I think Pupuli was looking over my shoulder. There are claw marks through the bag of her food this evening.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on July 03, 2008, 10:57:18 PM
Update: My dog is an ass.

But a darn cute one!

I use a plastic charcoal container (I think it's from Kingsford) for Bo's food.  It has a handle for dragging it about and a little flip-up door in the top.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 04, 2008, 12:13:06 AM
My mom's old dog Hali did that once.  I found her on the back porch, bloated and looking very sad.  They had to pump her stomach.

ETA: She was a golden retriever.  They are notorious for having no self-control.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 04, 2008, 07:59:56 AM
I too, am notorious for that.

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040749.jpg)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040748.jpg)

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Dear Human,

We do not feel frolicky this morning. Please piss off.

thx

teh kittehs
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on July 04, 2008, 08:00:33 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on July 04, 2008, 09:09:57 AM
I have remained silent on this particular subject for as long as I could - and please do not take this a being all pissy. You can take it as me being a bleeding heart liberal tho. ;) I am all for cute pictures of baby animals, and I know that you are being kind and doing the best you can. I believe you truly care for these cats and I think we all have big hearts.

But you really need to consider the wildlife in your area. The impact of domesticated cats on songbird and small mammal populations is fairly staggering. Do your own Google search on cats & wildlife and get an idea of what you are underwriting by starting your own personal colony of feral cats.

Here is one study that was done in Wisconsin by the Department of Fish and Wildlife:
http://wildlife.wisc.edu/extension/catfly3.htm (http://wildlife.wisc.edu/extension/catfly3.htm)

specifically of interest is the following excerpt:
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Observation of free-ranging domestic cats shows that some individuals can kill over 1000 wild animals per year [7], although smaller numbers are more typical. Some of the data on kills suggest that free-ranging cats living in small towns kill an average of 14 wild animals each per year. Rural cats kill many more wild animals than do urban, or suburban cats [8]. Several studies found that up to 90% of free-ranging rural cats' diet was wild animals, and less than 10% of rural cats killed no wild animals [9]. Recent research [10] suggests that rural free-ranging domestic cats in Wisconsin may be killing between 8 and 217 million birds each year. The most reasonable estimates indicate that 39 million birds are killed in the state each year. Nationwide, rural cats probably kill over a billion small mammals and hundreds of millions of birds each year. Urban and suburban cats add to this toll. Some of these kills are house mice, rats and other species considered pests, but many are native songbirds and mammals whose populations are already stressed by other factors, such as habitat destruction and pesticide pollution.

Despite the difficulties in showing the effect most predators have on their prey, cats are known to have serious impacts on small mammals and birds. Worldwide, cats may have been involved in the extinction of more bird species than any other cause, except habitat destruction. Cats are contributing to the endangerment of populations of birds such as Least Terns, Piping Plovers and Loggerhead Shrikes. In Florida, marsh rabbits in Key West have been threatened by predation from domestic cats [11]. Cats introduced by people living on the barrier islands of Florida's coast have depleted several unique species of mice and woodrats to near extinction [12, 13].

So, going with a conservative estimate (cutting the above numbers in half) if you figure 500 kills per year, multiplied by the four cats you have there,  you are looking at the annual death of 2,000 small mammals and birds. And unfortunately this doesn't really decrease just because you feed them. Cats kill for fun and sport. I don't know what the solution to your situation is, but I respectfully suggest that the cats' welfare should not be your sole consideration.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on July 04, 2008, 01:43:47 PM
So, going with a conservative estimate (cutting the above numbers in half) if you figure 500 kills per year

When a small mammal looks at you all funny, what's a kitty to do? 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 04, 2008, 03:54:40 PM
Yeah, I'm aware of that, vox, and I don't have a problem with you pointing it out. TOA (I think it was her) has pointed that out it the past.

Other than that, I don't know how to reply. It's a complicated subject. I do some good in the world, and I do some bad. The same can be said for all of us. I feed birds hundreds of pounds of food a year, and yet I'm feeding cats that will eat some of those birds. Hell, even by feeding some of those species of birds I am probably adversely affecting the environment in some way. There's plenty of humans around here that are having a much larger negative affect on the environment than these kittens. And there's not a hell of a lot of environment left around here to impact. I saw the fox I had been worried about splattered on the road last week.

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...get an idea of what you are underwriting by starting your own personal colony of feral cats.

I've already said I intend to get their shots, and I didn't think it was necessary to say that I was going to have them fixed as well, I thought that was a given.

Since it's doubtful they can be domesticated, are you suggesting they be put to death?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on July 04, 2008, 04:03:54 PM
We've got a abundance of tree rats in this area.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 04, 2008, 04:15:37 PM
Same here. I think I've mentioned before that I trap them (they eat too much bird food) and take them a few miles to nearby park. I've probably relocated 40 of the little buggers. New ones eventually take their place.

I had one in a trap one day and set the trap close to the cat, and the cat was totally freaked out by it. The cat has never expressed any interest in squirrels.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on July 04, 2008, 05:31:17 PM
Since it's doubtful they can be domesticated, are you suggesting they be put to death?

Death to the felines!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 04, 2008, 06:19:59 PM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/P1040590.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on July 06, 2008, 01:13:12 PM
I know I commented on this before, but . . . the reported issue of domestic cats killing wildlife really bugs me.  It's not that I think cats don't kill birds and squirrels, etc -- or even that I'm sure it isn't a problem -- but that the methodology and claims involved are pretty crappy and suspicious.

I mean:

-- The article cited estimates the number of cats in the US using Census data, for some reason, but not, say, vet reports, or Humane Society reports, or estimates based on how much cat food is sold.  They cite a 1993 report from a wildlife society bulletin?  The Humane Society estimates that there are like 60 million pet cats and at least as many feral ones.  It takes like thirty seconds to find this out using Google.  So their numbers for total cats in the US are actually low.

-- They say that a "free-ranging domestic cat", which they specify is not a pet cat, "can kill over 1000 wild animals per year", and then they say that such free-ranging cats in small towns "kill an average of 14 wild animals each per year", which, frankly, I don't believe is even plausible.  Especially since they just said a paragraph or two earlier that these animals make up 90% of the cats' diet.  (Which is only what should be expected, after all.)  No feral cat is going to survive on 14 wild animals a year unless they're killing elk, or something. 

-- The 1000 number is clearly meant as an extreme number, but if these cats are living on this diet (and, for feral cats, they surely are), then three small animals a day is actually about right.  A chickadee is not a big meal for an adult cat.  Neither is a fieldmouse.  An adult squirrel might be two meals.  It's not hard to come up with a reasonable estimate range, but they say "Recent research [10] suggests that rural free-ranging domestic cats in Wisconsin may be killing between 8 and 217 million birds each year."  That is not a reasonable range, just saying that it's somewhere between 8 million and 217 million. 

Retarded.  Especially since a reasonable low-end estimate would do a better job of making their argument for them.  If we say 60 million feral cats, and we say they each kill 700 small animals a year, that would be forty-two billion small animals a year.  All the pet cats put together might kill another eight billion, so call it fifty billion.  That's a lot

-- Unfortunately, there's no evidence presented -- zero -- that this is a damaging level of predation.  There are no claims about the population levels of the prey animals in question.  Maybe fifty billion is an insignificant fraction, overall.  We're not talking about a single prey species here, after all.  And no information is given about specific damage to specific species except in a handful of cases that can't be taken as representative.  Cats introduced to island habitats can be incredibly damaging, yes, but that's how islands are.  They're not comparable to the mainland.  Cats helped to almost wipe out the Hawaiian goose but obviously have not wiped out the Canadian goose.


I totally agree that feral cats, in particular, represent all kinds of problems, not least of which (for me) is all the sick and/or starving cats out there.  And I have no doubt that they contribute to population declines for some of their prey species.  (I'm far, far less convinced that they contribute significantly to population declines in other predator species.  Although if the cats are outcompeting other predators for the same prey, then where's the evidence that they overpredate the same prey?  Is anyone sure that a cat which displaces a fox kills more mice than the fox would have?) 

And when you compare the cat problem to things like habitat loss to urbanization and agriculture, I feel quite confident that the cats take a hugely distant backseat.  I'm hugely in favor of people fixing their pets, and all, as well as Trap-Neuter-Return programs, but personally I think the notion of cats as an ecological disaster unto themselves is hugely exaggerated and generally fairly bad science, from what I've seen. 

Unless you live in Hawaii.  My sister, who lives there, had a cokehead boyfriend who "released" her two cats and her pet rabbit from her apartment on the grounds that they should be free to live outside.  :eyeroll:  But for most of us, I don't think we need to worry too much about letting the cat outside, unless you're worried for the cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 06, 2008, 02:28:41 PM
(http://www.pawsatlanta.org/Portals/0/images/cat_math.jpg)

These people are on a mission, with good intent, but it seems they figure they only have your attention for a brief moment, so they better use the most alarming numbers they can come up with. People like that can take up a cause I'm behind and turn me against it with their methodology.

Yesterday I was out of town all day, and when I came home, I went out to check on the cats. I couldn't find the little black one, but the other two kittens kept running under the deck, acting suspicious. Eventually the black kitten, which is always first to the food, and is now bordering on being fat, came running out with something in its mouth. I couldn't tell exactly what it was, but it was some type of baby bird. After looking around a bit more today, I found two different types of feathers. I was looking around the yard to see if vox was out there hiding behind a tree snickering at me  :P

There are young Cardinals out there on the deck now. I saw a young Carolina Wren out there earlier. I noticed a chipmunk in the neighbor's yard earlier. I used to have chipmunks in my yard, but they don't hang around anymore for obvious reasons.

As a temporary measure, I'm going to make some changes to the bird-feeder that will hopefully keep the birds off the deck. I've already put up some chain link fencing below the feeder.

There's no doubt these kittens will take out some critters. I'm surprised they've started this young though.

I'm back to "I don't know what to do" again.  :stbm:

I didn't go out looking to raise a colony of cats. I fed one starving stray cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on July 06, 2008, 02:33:19 PM

I'm back to "I don't know what to do" again.  :stbm:

I didn't go out looking to raise a colony of cats. I fed one starving stray cat.

(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2462/tribblesza9.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 06, 2008, 04:28:59 PM

We've got nothing better to do
Than eat your birds and make a bunch of poo

All our friends are gonna hang out here tonight

Alright!

We're gonna pass out on the deck alright

Tonight!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on July 06, 2008, 04:55:18 PM
Death to the Kitties!

(http://www.truepot.net/goodbyekitty/goodbye_kitty_burnt_to_death_medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on July 06, 2008, 05:48:05 PM
Trap, snip, notch their ears and release, at the least, yeah?
Do you have a local spay/neuter clinic? They're usually cheap.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 06, 2008, 06:33:39 PM

We've got nothing better to do
Than eat your birds and make a bunch of poo

All our friends are gonna hang out here tonight

Alright!

We're gonna pass out on the deck alright

Tonight!


I have always loved you.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on July 06, 2008, 06:36:49 PM
Well, if you are confident they will never be indoor cats you could always create an outdoor Kitty Habitat:

http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm (http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm)

And there are cat proof fences
http://www.purrfectfence.com/ (http://www.purrfectfence.com/)

I am fairly confident the little critters will figure out fairly quickly to stay away.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on July 06, 2008, 09:09:49 PM
What's with the notching of the ears?  :confused:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on July 06, 2008, 09:36:45 PM
What's with the notching of the ears?  :confused:

With the spay and release programs they notch the ears of the feral cats who have been fixed. That way they can tell from a distance that they do not need to bother trying to catch that particular cat again. They simply cut off the tip of one ear while they have the cat under for the spay/neuter.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 07, 2008, 05:16:20 PM
Well, if you are confident they will never be indoor cats you could always create an outdoor Kitty Habitat:

http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm (http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm)

And there are cat proof fences
http://www.purrfectfence.com/ (http://www.purrfectfence.com/)

I am fairly confident the little critters will figure out fairly quickly to stay away.

 :shock:

Or I could build them a spaceship and send them back to their home planet  :P
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on July 07, 2008, 07:56:31 PM

 :shock:

Or I could build them a spaceship and send them back to their home planet  :P

Prepare the Transit BEAAAAAMMMMMM!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on July 08, 2008, 08:22:58 AM
Or I could build them a spaceship and send them back to their home planet  :P

It's not like they're gonna find intelligent life here.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 08, 2008, 09:00:29 AM

 :shock:

Or I could build them a spaceship and send them back to their home planet  :P

Prepare the Transit BEAAAAAMMMMMM!

 :love:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on July 09, 2008, 01:16:40 PM
Or I could build them a spaceship and send them back to their home planet  :P

Better lookout! There might be pigs about.

(http://www.islandnet.com/~pacific/pigs_in.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on July 09, 2008, 01:43:48 PM
Haha...charade you are...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on July 11, 2008, 11:23:45 PM
Ewwww.

I was just wrestling with the pugs and I noticed they have a little bit of an odor problem.

I told them this, but they seem unconcerned.

BATH TIME TOMORROW!

That'll get their attention.


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on July 12, 2008, 12:35:04 AM
Two out of three of mine have that horrific anal gland odor. It's vile.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on July 12, 2008, 01:34:20 AM
Yeah.  One of mine has never had that problem, but the other does the butt-scoot across the living room rug.  So I'll end up throwing that thing in the trash - the rug, not the dog.

Socrates is a little stinky fucker.  But he looks at me with those innocent eyes, and I have to forgive him.

 


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 12, 2008, 08:24:20 AM
Ewwww. Get a groomer to do anal gland expressions or something. The 'rents had to have that one for one of their toilet brush dogs. Pigs do the scoot to mark their territory, but luckily for us it isn't stanky.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 12, 2008, 08:36:33 AM
Last night got weird.
I put the kibble bowl down in the pen and Bits circled around it twice while motorboating. (Making the dominance rumble noise)  :confused:
Then a bit later on, one of them farted so loud that we heard it over the television. I was worried that if I went over and checked that I would find some sort of pigse.cx-level of ass devastation. Maybe it was a sneeze or choke gone wrong, but it sounded like a fart and Ramona is very, very gassy. Everyone's fine this morning, so whatever it was - it wasn't fatal. That's certainly a nice change.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on July 12, 2008, 08:49:57 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 12, 2008, 10:09:14 AM
 :lol:

Seems like a fart that loud would shoot them across the cage.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 12, 2008, 11:09:42 AM
:lol:

Seems like a fart that loud would shoot them across the cage.

Oh god, I just pictured that.

 :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on July 12, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
It's an awesome visual.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on July 12, 2008, 01:26:12 PM
That's how they'll get around when we take them into space. 

[David Attenborough]
But, unexpectedly, nature has provided the cavy with an ideal mechanism for navigating weightless environments.
[/David Attenborough]



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Two out of three of mine have that horrific anal gland odor.

If they had a fantastic minty anal gland odor, that would be worth worrying about, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on July 12, 2008, 11:26:02 PM
It's an awesome visual.

Oh God, that made me nearly ruin the MacMini spitting soda out my nostrils...  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 13, 2008, 12:15:24 AM
We got Eris a new box last Sunday.  It has a little door on it that I guess she didn't like.  She pooped once in each bathroom.  God only knows where she was peeing, because we can't find any.  This morning I checked and she'd finally pooped in there.  I was like YAY YOU POOPED IN THE POTTY.  I guess she deserves and M&M now.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 13, 2008, 09:29:22 AM
We got Eris a new box last Sunday.  It has a little door on it that I guess she didn't like.  She pooped once in each bathroom.  God only knows where she was peeing, because we can't find any.  This morning I checked and she'd finally pooped in there.  I was like YAY YOU POOPED IN THE POTTY.  I guess she deserves and M&M now.

 :rollin: :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 13, 2008, 09:47:12 AM
I thought you weren't supposed to give cats chocolate.

I don't remember ever seeing a picture of Eris. I remember several of Obie, but not Eris.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on July 13, 2008, 10:25:53 AM
No no - she means like when you're potty-training a toddler, one of the things you're told to try is giving them an M&M every time they use the potty successfully. =)
/me gave stickers instead
/the cats just get the hose if they miss
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 13, 2008, 12:52:52 PM
I thought you weren't supposed to give cats chocolate.

I don't remember ever seeing a picture of Eris. I remember several of Obie, but not Eris.

We're ashamed of Eris.  She's very very fat.  I don't know why.  She hardly eats anything.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 13, 2008, 08:36:46 PM
Awww.  :(

I like fat cats.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on July 13, 2008, 11:21:19 PM
:shrugs:

I was waiting for a big spiel from Axe why you shouldn't give chocolate to your cats...

I do know that it's been known to cause seizures in dogs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 13, 2008, 11:56:34 PM
Yeah, I should have known not everyone would get the M&M thing.

Eris is so fat there's a spot on her back she can't wash.  We have to get the mat shaved off every once in a while.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on July 14, 2008, 02:07:01 AM
What kind of food do you feed her?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 14, 2008, 11:20:45 AM
She's been eating Innova EVO for a few years.  Before that she was on Prescription Diet.  She never eats all of her food so I don't think we're overfeeding her.  We go by the package directions!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on July 14, 2008, 11:36:14 AM
the cat needs exercise

get 'er on the wii fit

...man I'd love to see that Worth1K'd  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on July 14, 2008, 03:18:30 PM
Pupuli needs an exercise buddy...  :hmm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on July 14, 2008, 04:34:12 PM
She's been eating Innova EVO for a few years.  Before that she was on Prescription Diet.  She never eats all of her food so I don't think we're overfeeding her.  We go by the package directions!

My vet told me the package directions aren't necessarily exact or correct for every cat. If the cat's overweight, she either has a medical problem (thyroid, etc.) or is just eating too much. If it means giving less than suggested, then that's what it means.*

*IANAV but I have a fat cat
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on July 14, 2008, 04:41:11 PM
I think I'll ask about medical issues at her next appointment.  It seems obvious that the directions are not exact, especially when you have a cat that doesn't do shit but lay on top of the couch.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on July 14, 2008, 04:43:42 PM
I know, right?!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on July 14, 2008, 10:32:35 PM
omg.

My neighbor had some guy over today, maybe her son. Anyway, Baver, the medium sized 50 lb black dog, jumped on him while he was just standing there and nailed him in the balls.

 :eyeroll:

I don't think it's quite as embarassing though as when she ran top speed chasing after the park ranger on his four wheeler in front of a group of people that I used to organize social events for them; and with me miserably failing at running after the dog running after the ranger.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 14, 2008, 10:37:25 PM
I chauffeured Ms.Ramona to LOLville today for a foot check. Her bumblefoot isn't getting better. It's all localized on the pinkie toe on her left paw.
So.
Two options. Towel it and give up (think Old Yeller) or take two weeks to get the swelling down as much as possible and then....
And then I spend my "stimulus" check on having the problem digit removed and just tell everyone she's a Yakuza.
 :eyeroll: :cry: :dugahole:
If she heals up properly, she'll experience no ill effects from losing a toe and actually she'll have an improved quality of life because she won't be walking on a bumbled foot. (It's like trying to walk with a softball growing out of the bottom of your foot.)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on July 14, 2008, 10:41:21 PM
I chauffeured Ms.Ramona to LOLville today for a foot check. Her bumblefoot isn't getting better. It's all localized on the pinkie toe on her left paw.
So.
Two options. Towel it and give up (think Old Yeller) or take two weeks to get the swelling down as much as possible and then....
And then I spend my "stimulus" check on having the problem digit removed and just tell everyone she's a Yakuza.
 :eyeroll: :cry: :dugahole:
If she heals up properly, she'll experience no ill effects from losing a toe and actually she'll have an improved quality of life because she won't be walking on a bumbled foot. (It's like trying to walk with a softball growing out of the bottom of your foot.)

Our "stimulus" check went to the University of Georgia's Veterinary Hospital, it put a small dent in the Barrister bill.

I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on July 14, 2008, 10:43:55 PM
God. That's one of my worst nightmares. Not having enough money to fix a surgical problem or worse, deciding if the money is worth getting it fixed as opposed to putting the dog down. Thinking about it makes me cry. And I have 3 of them all close in age.


How old is she? What's the average life?

:hug:






Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on July 14, 2008, 10:47:54 PM
Our stimulus check was subsumed by Greyson's endoscopy.

I wonder what the veterinarian lobbyist groups thought of the stimulus package before it was passed.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 14, 2008, 10:54:22 PM
I suspect that could be the case.
 :hmm:

Ramona is around 4 years old. (The shelter guesstimated she was born in May of 04.) Pigs generally live 3 to 5. Bitsy is 5. Vyv made it to 7.5.


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 14, 2008, 10:55:17 PM
omg.

My neighbor had some guy over today, maybe her son. Anyway, Baver, the medium sized 50 lb black dog, jumped on him while he was just standing there and nailed him in the balls.

 :eyeroll:

I don't think it's quite as embarassing though as when she ran top speed chasing after the park ranger on his four wheeler in front of a group of people that I used to organize social events for them; and with me miserably failing at running after the dog running after the ranger.

I just pictured that chase. With Benny Hill music.  Then I  :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on July 14, 2008, 11:59:51 PM
LOL

Also, I just realized the cat's dental bill this year was about $70 more than my stimulus check. It's a C-O-N-Spiracy, I say.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on July 15, 2008, 12:15:45 AM
Dog A (boy) likes to hump the back of Dog B (girl), while she's laying down distracted with bone in mouth, till his pink sword is unsheathed. The problem is Dog C (boy) goes crazy when Dog A starts the humping hump hump and rushes over to nudge Dog A off the back of Dog B. Why? Tis because Male #2 now knows that the lipstick of Male #1 will appear and he wants to get his mouth on it to add a little color to his own I suppose. Female dog, meanwhile, is still chewing on her bone. She does not bother with the boys as she knows neither of them realize it's supposed to go inside her and not inside his mouth.

My bitch is a fluffer for gay dog porn.

Now, what usually happens is that Dog C nudges off Dog A before he can become fully aroused. And by nudge, I mean he takes his head, sticks it between the other two dogs, and lifts up until it pushes the top dog off - leaving a clear way to the unmentionables. And when he realizes that lift off has not happened he goes back to the female dog and sniffs her back to get try and get a whiff of Dog A.

And I swear - when the two boy dogs aren't fighting (which they do all the time mainly with barking at each other), Dog A is constantly trying to shove his tongue in Dog's C mouth. I mean, does he know where that mouth has been? Oh right, on his penis.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on July 15, 2008, 10:11:50 AM
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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on July 31, 2008, 03:35:41 PM
Have you all seen the story about the 44-lb white cat? They found it wandering the streets and it has since drawn national attention.

The owner has come forward and said her house was foreclosed so she abandoned the cat or put it on the streets.

I don't get this. Why do people do this? If you can no longer care for your pets why not drop them off at a shelter? You don't domesticate an animal and feed it for years and then just leave it to their own devices. Someone explain to me the logic or thinking behind this. There are also horrible stories where people just leave their animals in the empty house when they move. Sometimes they are not found for weeks. Again - I just really do not understand why these animals are not taken to a shelter. It makes no sense.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/localheroes/story/B38AF926B210480586257497006B9289?OpenDocument (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/localheroes/story/B38AF926B210480586257497006B9289?OpenDocument)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on July 31, 2008, 04:51:48 PM
I don't get this. Why do people do this? If you can no longer care for your pets why not drop them off at a shelter?

a: Inconvenience and simple lack of thought. It would take effort to pack the cat up into a carrier and take them to a shelter.
b: "If I take fluffy to the shelter and he isn't adopted then they will put him to sleep" they actually, and stupidly, think "Hey it is a dog/cat/rabbit - it has instincts that will kick in. I see stray dogs/cats/bunnies out in the streets all the time. It is better than a death sentence.
c: They are stupid, self-centered and really just don't care.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on August 01, 2008, 08:45:17 AM
I don't get this. Why do people do this? If you can no longer care for your pets why not drop them off at a shelter?


c: They are stupid, self-centered and really just don't care.

That.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 01, 2008, 10:02:48 AM
I think a lot of them really do think the cat is better off 'in the wild'.  Subconsciously, they also figure that this way, if something bad happens to their pet, they won't be around to have to see it happen.  They can always just pretend, in the backs of their heads, that Fluffy is upstate, on a big farm, with lots room to run around.

People are really good at not thinking things through.  They come to a comforting position, and they stop thinking.  As Rush Limbaugh himself has pointed out, it's more important to people to feel right than to be right.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 01, 2008, 10:31:45 AM
Did you really just quote Rush Limbaugh on a message board about pets?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 01, 2008, 10:41:32 AM
No, I just paraphrased him.

Someone should return him to the wild.  Also Newt 'I Want To Hunt Giraffes' Gingrich.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on August 01, 2008, 04:49:11 PM
I'll bet he "felt right" on all those painkillers...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 01, 2008, 10:09:07 PM
Even a crazy-ass knuckle-dragging skidmark like Limbaugh gets it right at least once in a while. Law of averages and all that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on August 03, 2008, 03:14:11 PM
Why do all the Cataclysmic Gastrointestinal Events happen when Punk is either out of town or sensibly asleep at 3 am?  This applies to the kid, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 03, 2008, 03:23:53 PM
See, I know almost exactly when my cat is going to throw up a hairball.  It's always 1-2 hours after I give her anti-furball treats.

That's not how they're supposed to work, but it's what happens.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on August 03, 2008, 07:50:49 PM
From the perspective of her stomach, they work perfectly!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on August 03, 2008, 08:03:20 PM
Have you ever tried the vaseline-on-the-paws remedy?

It works.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on August 03, 2008, 08:33:34 PM
Oh man, if this had been just a hairball I would have been dancing with joy.  This was the dog, from both ends.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 03, 2008, 09:31:30 PM
That happened to me once or twice.

But I had too much to drink.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on August 03, 2008, 09:33:29 PM
VASELINE ON PAWS!

To the both of you!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on August 03, 2008, 09:44:13 PM
I have a Catholic friend who keeps out these little oil lamps for in front of these little icons. I don't really know what it all means but it has something to do with her religion. Instead of filling them with some kind of lamp oil she uses olive oil. All 9 of her cats will go and take little drinks out of the lamps and none of them ever have hairball problems.

That was a weird story wasn't it?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 03, 2008, 09:46:49 PM
Quite. But relevant.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 03, 2008, 10:50:27 PM
Vaseline is not good to eat. Petrochemicals.
The olive oil sounds like a very good idea. Plus, the higher quality ones absorb right in instead of floating on surfaces and getting mini-Valdez schmutz films all over everything.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on August 03, 2008, 11:19:32 PM
The vaseline thing is an old tried-and-true vet remedy.  It didnt' seem to hurt the family cats any, but yeah, olive oil sounds like a much tastier prescription.  Try that first.

At least you can lick your fingers afterwards.



Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 03, 2008, 11:46:39 PM
I've heard of mineral oil helping. That's basically what's in that laxatone crap anyway.

The cat I had growing up, Miss Kitty, was long-haired and would get hairballs fairly frequently. Poor thing. I once gave her some of those hairball-remedy cat treats. Once. Because afterward she puked more violently than she did with just a regular type hairball.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 04, 2008, 07:45:27 AM
Laxatone (which, yeah, is basically tuna oil and white Vaseline) works great on some cats, but for some reason it has the same effect on my cat as Olestra has on humans.  Not so good.

I might try the olive oil thing, but if her coat becomes any more silky and lustrous, she'll only be able to lie down on perfectly level surfaces.  As it is, the poor thing practically lives the life of an air hockey puck.  Not one of your higher-friction cats.  Not much of a climber.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on August 04, 2008, 04:53:11 PM
/me takes notes furiously

(blessed with both a puker *and* a hairballer)
(have noted that the pisscat likes to eat the pukecat's puke)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 04, 2008, 04:54:20 PM
the pukecat's puke

PUKECAT IS PUKING


LOL
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on August 04, 2008, 04:56:47 PM
It's so gross, man. The sound of it - uck uck uck, gurgle bloooosh, thwump!, ack ack ack. Cat shakes herself, walks off. Pisscat comes up. LICK LICK LICK LICK. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

The hairballer is a poopcat as well. She only poops to protest the litterbox not being up to her cleanliness standards, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 04, 2008, 05:07:58 PM
Why do people keep cats?

I'd be appearing on Animal Precinct with my face blurred if my animals did that sort of thing more than once.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 04, 2008, 06:21:13 PM
OMG, I'm dying laughing.

Not at the Animal Precinct comment, but ... Air Hockey Cat??? Piss'n'Puke cats? That's comedy gold.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: robin on August 04, 2008, 06:45:20 PM
I guess this is somewhat of a new pet...     I was working around my cabin yesterday when my mother's WHITE LAB (BUDDY)  went crazy digging in the covered wood pile.  I thought he was after a rat and decided to help him out. Started pulling off the hard vinyl cover in pieces so he could get to the varmint. I stuck my face under there so I could get a better look and saw a cute little head looking around about 3 feet away from my eyes. I called the dog off and pulled off more cover and this small skunk was looking up at me! I don't know why he didn't spray us! He took his time reclaiming his new home!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on August 04, 2008, 08:51:10 PM
Why do people keep cats?

I'd be appearing on Animal Precinct with my face blurred if my animals did that sort of thing more than once.

They were all perfectly well-behaved until I had them for a few years. Once they realized they had a permanent home, they started acting out knowing I'd be compelled to keep them around.

Sort of like kids if you think about it...  :hmm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 04, 2008, 10:03:52 PM
Ramona gets her toe removed tomorrow at 2PM.

 :uncertain: :uncertain: :uncertain: :uncertain:  :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on August 04, 2008, 10:07:25 PM
:hug: :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 04, 2008, 10:08:20 PM
:shamrock: :hug:

... but what a cool scar (and story)!

Almost as badass as an eye patch
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 04, 2008, 10:11:15 PM
Ummm, if you dye it blue and make it into a key chain that's good luck right?

Everything will be all right. She'll feel much better once everything is all healed up.

Let me re-tell the story about this girl I knew who had her cat declawed. She basically lifted and carried that cat around everywhere for the first two weeks after surgery. She even hand fed him. He was having a hard time walking and recovery was taking a very long time. One day she hears her boyfriend laughing and tells her to creep quietly into the room. And of course, there's her cat running and jumping around on all 4 paws with no problem. The cat turns around and notices her - then drops to the ground, sticks his paws up in the air and starts moaning.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on August 04, 2008, 10:22:02 PM
Awww, I'm sorry.  I hope it's a simple procedure with little or no chance of complications.

So do you get to keep the toe?


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on August 04, 2008, 10:28:45 PM
:hug: Not a fun thing to have to deal with at all.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 04, 2008, 10:30:16 PM
Sort of like kids if you think about it...  :hmm:

I called the Humane Society. They wouldn't take'em!

Said they didn't have the right kind of food, or cages. Turkeys. :harumph:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 04, 2008, 10:31:40 PM
Try Craigslist.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 04, 2008, 11:36:14 PM
Ummm, if you dye it blue and make it into a key chain that's good luck right?

Everything will be all right. She'll feel much better once everything is all healed up.

Let me re-tell the story about this girl I knew who had her cat declawed. She basically lifted and carried that cat around everywhere for the first two weeks after surgery. She even hand fed him. He was having a hard time walking and recovery was taking a very long time. One day she hears her boyfriend laughing and tells her to creep quietly into the room. And of course, there's her cat running and jumping around on all 4 paws with no problem. The cat turns around and notices her - then drops to the ground, sticks his paws up in the air and starts moaning.



LOL

Yeah that cat was just punishing your friend. At least the cat had a good sense of humor about it...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 04, 2008, 11:58:42 PM
Heh, thanks y'all.
Waaaaaybackwhen Martha had an excision she tried to chew the foot off entirely and we had to put her down. So it's the memory of Mike raising a ruckus when he discovered that little scene that has me wigging out. Ramona isn't nearly as neurotic as Martha was so there's less of a chance of that happening. But it could and ugh.

They wouldn't eat the spinach I gave them tonight which is, ah, let's just say thatdoes not happen in same way the Earth stopping spinning does not happen. I think they might be picking up on my wigg. They politiked a bit and then all went to bed. WTF
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 05, 2008, 12:16:43 AM
Maybe all the recent e coli and salmonella outbreaks have them wigged out a bit and they're just being cautious.

Well I can see why this is nerve wrecking.  Try and remain positive.

And please forgive me but for some reason I have this visual that your bra would make a good hammock for the p1g5. I can just see them lounging/swinging around in your bra.

Okay, I should go now.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 05, 2008, 09:05:12 AM
 :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

I'll have to get one of my old ones and see what they make of that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 05, 2008, 09:38:30 AM
Quote
Why do people keep cats?

My cats have, on average, been much better behaved than the humans I've lived with.  Cheaper to maintain, too, and more agreeable.

Right on the edge of more rational, but I'll have to think about that.  Sometimes just being consistent starts to seem like rationality.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on August 05, 2008, 10:18:52 AM
Why do people keep cats?

They don't.  The cats keep them.  Begrudgingly.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on August 05, 2008, 04:45:50 PM
Well, it looks like the 19-year-old cat has had enough of this mortal coil.  She's not been herself for the past couple of days, according to Mom, and hasn't eaten anything today - not even tuna fish.  Mom pointed out that she - the cat - had been around for almost half my life, which was startling to consider.

Am I a terrible person for not wanting to go over there and see Mom and her husband distraught?  I saw the cat last night for a couple of minutes and I don't feel any pressing need to pay last respects.

Those of you with cat food or who happen to be eating tuna fish - pour out a couple of pieces for Squeak.  She's had a long, hissy run.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 05, 2008, 04:54:14 PM
:cry:

Now I feel bad for envisioning myself with a blurred face on Animal Precinct.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 05, 2008, 05:21:26 PM
Am I a terrible person for not wanting to go over there and see Mom and her husband distraught?  I saw the cat last night for a couple of minutes and I don't feel any pressing need to pay last respects.

Um, it's a cat. Big deal. Now if it was a dog ....

Seriously though, it's a pet. Just because your mom is distraught doesn't mean you should be. A simple, I am sorry for your loss kind of sympathy is ok, IMO. I don't think it requires you to go over there to be with your mom, she has her husband. And if you don't feel the need to visit the cat again then you shouldn't. Afterall, cats are real good about knowing when you fake it. A hiss and a claw attack might follow. And you shouldn't feel bad about not feeling bad. When one of my dogs pass I will be terribly terribly sad but I don't expect others to mourn with me.

And HMOF :galm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on August 05, 2008, 06:53:47 PM
If you go, it should be for Squeak, not to comfort your moms.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 05, 2008, 07:11:03 PM
If you're not attached, you're not attached. There's no real right or wrong to that. It just kinda is.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 05, 2008, 07:29:13 PM
How's Ramona?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 05, 2008, 07:43:36 PM
We find out in a week when I bring her back for her check up. The infection was more advanced than they thought, but if they took more than one toe - she'd be unable to walk. So it's antibiotics for a week and then it's either we win and kill off the infection or we have to put her down.
I'm... going to need a bigger bottle of vodak I think.
She's got a good metacam buzz going right now and ate almost all the veggies I bought her on the way home, so we'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 05, 2008, 07:51:00 PM
Ugh. Sorry to hear that. Too bad they don't make wheelchairs for p1g5 like they do dogs. Hey maybe you could invent one, make lots of money, and then retire. In fact, maybe their wheelchair would actually be made out of an exercise wheel. This way one gets to walk around while another can be in the wheel working off the spinach pounds!

(http://www.animalnews.info/images/story_images/dog/wheelchair_dog.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on August 05, 2008, 07:52:08 PM
Well it's damn good news that she's eating.  So there's that.


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on August 05, 2008, 09:06:36 PM
I don't know what to tell you, Talix. I'm still bummed about my parents putting down their dog last month, and I didn't really get along well with the dog.

I'm going to hold out lots of crossed fingers for Ramona.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 05, 2008, 09:20:41 PM
Tonight is getting interesting. I gave her the evening meds and a hit of metacam (painkiller for animals.) She cuddled for a bit and then suddenly started getting rowdy, trashing the blanket and headbutting. Then I got the "YOU WANT A PIECE OF THIS?!" look but I got scared and put her back in the pen. That pig's got the biggest balls in the entire commonwealth so if anyone can walk this off - I'm thinking she can.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 05, 2008, 09:23:57 PM
Unrelated, but, the vet has a giant johnson. AWKWARD.
PROTIP: Thin weave Chinos and short tighty whities are not a subtle combination.

 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 05, 2008, 09:40:02 PM
 :spittake: :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 07, 2008, 08:23:06 PM
Triple was at the window standing sideways on the window sill. Baver had her front paws on the couch looking over Triple's butt out the window.

All the sudden you hear Triple fart. Two seconds later Baver gets down and goes to the other end of the couch to look out the window.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on August 07, 2008, 08:28:24 PM
:lol:

and

:lol:



Title: RIP Barrister
Post by: vox8 on August 30, 2008, 10:31:51 AM
The bestest bunny in the world is no longer in it. Barrister passed away last night in the Vet Hospital at UGA. He fell asleep and moved on before they were able to administer the euthanasia that we had authorized by phone around 8:30.

Last Friday he refused to eat his carrot. He was acting sorta funny but he was shedding and sometimes that causes grumpy bunny. When he hadn't perked up his appetite and when he almost completely quit pooping we took him into the vet on Monday. We thought it was gastric shutdown, a problem he has had before. When the vet went to listen to his heart it was in the wrong place (prlly from the surgery) and so they did an Xray. They found excessive swelling and fluid in his lungs. Over the next few days they worked on syringe feeding him and trying out a couple of different antibiotics, also a fungus medication. He did not respond to the treatment so at lunch yesterday they called us and told us he needed to go to Athens for better treatment.

We picked him up and drove him to UGA, I sat in the back with him and scratched his head the entire time. At one point he ground his teeth, which is the bunny equivalent of a purr. They had to do another, better Xray and other tests so we had to leave him there. We were driving home when we received what we thought was good news - it was not a tumerous mass like they thought it might be, but indeed some sort of infection of the lungs. They put him under so that they could get a sample out of his lungs to culture and they would get back to us later.

Around 8 they called to tell us that they were 90% sure that it was Tuberculosis (with a 10% chance that it was some sort of antibiotic resistant Pneumonia). He was suffering and he needed to be let go. They will not be able to determine exactly what caused the end until they do a necropsy.

Most likely he contracted the infection while in the UGA facility for his surgery, he was immunosupressed and there is no other way he could have come in contact with the TB strain they believe it is (Avian). There is almost no evidence for animal to human transition of this disease, but we took the Eman and ourselves to the Peditrician this morning to get TB screening anyway - just to be safe.

He was the bestest bunny in the world. We loved him very much. We still love him and there is a hole in our lives where he lived. I don't know what I am going to do for awhile. I miss him so.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 30, 2008, 10:40:19 AM
Damn.  Damn.  Damn.

So sorry to hear it.  He was the best.  He was as lucky to have you as vice versa.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on August 30, 2008, 10:47:22 AM
 :( I'm so sorry about that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 30, 2008, 10:56:08 AM
Oh no. Barb and Rog I am so sorry.  :hug:
Quote
At one point he ground his teeth, which is the bunny equivalent of a purr.
The pigs do that once in a while, I wonder if that's what that is about.  :hmm:
Barrister had the best family that any bunny has ever had. He had a good run - and ran a good household. I remember his baby pictures y'all posted on Fark.
Oh man, now I'm all  :cry:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on August 30, 2008, 11:04:13 AM
I'm sorry to hear of your loss  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: First Post on August 30, 2008, 11:14:00 AM
Sorry y'all  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 30, 2008, 11:30:18 AM
I'm so sorry for your loss.

He was a great friend to your family, and a great bunny.

:rose:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on August 30, 2008, 11:31:31 AM
I don't know what to say.

I'm so sorry, you two.

:hug:





Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on August 30, 2008, 11:38:33 AM
Oh my god. That's terrible. I'm so sorry, vox.

And what shitty timing for it to happen. I know Dragon Con is another one of ya'lls favorite things. Double plus ungood.

 :hug: :hug: :hug:

One for each of ya.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on August 30, 2008, 12:01:37 PM
Oh, no!  I'm so sorry.  He was the cutest bunny and I will miss seeing new pictures of him. 

 :rose:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on August 30, 2008, 01:35:23 PM
Sorry to hear that, vox.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Psidefect on August 30, 2008, 01:50:07 PM
:(

So sorry.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 30, 2008, 02:59:22 PM
 :shock:

Awww man. Not the Barrister!

You guys sure did all you could though.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 30, 2008, 05:33:31 PM
:cry: :hug: :rose:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on August 30, 2008, 05:52:51 PM
I am so, so sorry for your loss.  We will all miss him, the bestest of bunnies.

 :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on August 30, 2008, 06:51:56 PM
Oh, man, why did I have to go look at this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benson-photo/sets/72157594196035869/)? I just wanted to see that picture of him in the coke box again. I didn't know there were pictures of him when he was just a little bunny.

 :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on August 30, 2008, 07:21:43 PM
Hey vox?

Your post made me lay down on the floor and play with the pugs.  And I mean play with the pugs.  We reaffirmed our family.  There was wrestling, tug of war, and fetch until the dogs were worn out.  They just collapsed together on their big pillow, panting and snorting.  I used to think they were nuclear powered, but now I know they have their limits.  They're exhausted, splayed out and smiling.

If anything, Barrister's passing should make all pet owners know the love we have at our feet, and not take it for granted.  It wasn't for vain.  We've got a good thing going here, and your loss shouldn't be simply that.  It's more than that.  It's the definition of humanity.  We're good people, and we make good creatures more comfortable.  You and Rog did just that. 

Sorry if this sounds awkward or weird.  I'm just a little flabbergasted.  I Pshopped that bunny.


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 31, 2008, 12:13:35 AM
Ummm, how would a vet determine if my dog has a hairball blockage in his stomach or intestine? Is that just a x-ray or does it need something more advanced? How does one get rid of such blockage. Does that require surgery?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 31, 2008, 12:23:20 AM
Is the dog not pooing? That's sort of serious. I'm pretty sure they can see that sort of thing on an x-ray type test. I imagine getting rid of it could be as easy as doing so with a cat, mineral oil or other oil-based laxative to sort of lube the intestines and get stuff through, but it could also be more invasive. It really depends I think on the material that's stuck and why it got stuck in the first place.

I had a dog once who stopped eating and doing anything, very suddenly. X-rays showed some sort of blockage that the vet needed to do surgery on, but it wasn't what they were expecting and it didn't end well. I probably shouldn't tell that story right now, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on August 31, 2008, 12:33:35 AM
Two dogs were out at day care so that left Turtle home alone. When I came back I noticed 3 HUGE piles on my rug. I thought he crapped all over the place. These hairballs were so large they must have been collecting for months and months. I'm talking 3 inches long by 2 inches wide. 3 of them! He has been fine. Pooping, eating, normal behavior, etc. No indication that anything could be wrong, except that he's overweight. So I watched him this afternoon/night and he's fine. We went for a 40 minute walk - no problem. He requested food. Fine. He already gets flax seed oil on his food and I've read that's a suggestion to help with this. Tongiht he started retching a little bit and was acting weird. He was doing the tongue air licking move - which usually indicates a hair or something. But the strange part was that he was licking and sniffing the ground like there was food there. Then he made a bee line for the backyard and chomped on some grass for a while, but no vomitting. Now he's acting fine.

I know I have small hands but all three piles together filled up my hand completely. How anything could get past his stomach I don't know how. I thought with all that maybe he threw it all up but the episode tonight makes me worried now.  I'll guess I'll take him to the vet tomorrow for an x-ray. Dammit. There goes my trip to Chicago.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 31, 2008, 01:51:06 AM
If he's eating and stuff they may say an x-ray isn't necessary. My cat has hairballs on occasion and they can be freaking huge. So gross. She has black fur, so when she throws up a hairball, it looks like a piece of poo on the ground.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on August 31, 2008, 01:58:41 AM
Dogs get hairballs?  I must say, in my 31 years of dog-owning, I've never seen that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on August 31, 2008, 07:11:28 AM
I didn't know that either, but I just googled it and it seems some dogs do get hairballs. They generally don't because they don't lick themselves as much as cats do, and their tongues are not structured the same way - you know, a cat's tongue is like a lint brush almost.

I don't know if I would rush Turtle to the vet. I would try a hairball treatment made for cats before forking over the big bucks at the vet for an x-ray. The flax seed oil might not be strong enough, or maybe you're not giving him enough. The hairball treatment can take a few days to produce results.

I wonder if he's licking the other dogs, or what. That's weird that he's accumulated that much hair.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 31, 2008, 09:59:42 AM
My dog gets hairballs. She licks her paws a lot. We've been accusing her of being a closet cat ever since she was a puppy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 31, 2008, 10:50:53 AM
Considering the dog propensity for eating everything that can possibly be eaten, and the dog propensity for barfing most of the non-food items back up, I would think it was really, really odd if dogs didn't occasionally get hairballs.

I mean, I've known dogs to get onionballs, chocolatebarballs, underwearballs, sawdustballs, nylonstockingballs, carpetballs, halfafreakinrollofpapertowelballs . . . .
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on September 05, 2008, 03:26:56 PM
Sorry Vox, Trip, and E.  Adios Barrister.  :hug: :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on September 09, 2008, 02:32:05 PM
So sorry to hear about Barrister. You're in my thoughts. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on September 26, 2008, 10:19:07 AM
You know how cats' eyes can open real wide and they can see in what to us is really dark? The pupils are supposed to close down when the light is bright. Greyson's last night remained wide open when I took him into the bathroom to do his drugs. He couldn't see much, either.

So, after a nice little visit to the emergency vet and a quarter of a tiny pill, it's probably a sudden bout of hypertension. Normal BP is 100-110; his was 206. This morning you can actually see iris, and he can see large objects and not run into them. Got to take him in to the specialist today, though - it could be related to his Irritable Bowel or his Chronic Renal Failure.

Sad, though, was that somebody tied up a large, scared dog next to the side entrance of the vet's office. Dog was barking like nuts. The vet on call was totally pissed, but we weren't sure why. When one of the techs went out the door, the dog lunged and tried to bite the tech. An hour later, the sheriffs had arrived (their office is half a block down the street) and said Animal Control would take at least an hour to get there, but go ahead and make up the drugged meatball.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on September 26, 2008, 02:39:37 PM
The receptionist wouldn't tell me what happened to the big dog last night - it was a madhouse in the office though, and he was intensely distracted.

Even though the doc last night said he didn't have detached retinas, the specialist this morning thinks that's what it was, secondary to hypertension secondary to CRF. Fun stuff. We have to take him in once in a while now to get his BP checked out.

Now, if they could just fix the bleeding from this credit card...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on September 26, 2008, 02:47:20 PM
Ouch.  Poor kitty.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 26, 2008, 02:59:26 PM
Yeah. Poor credit card, too!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on September 26, 2008, 04:12:23 PM
 :( :thumbsdn:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on October 02, 2008, 01:32:50 PM
We have a spare dog.  Sandy rescued him from the intersection of Tully and King.  Not chipped, not neutered.  Healthy, obviously someone's ex-pet.  We're going on week three.  Anybody want a 10lb something terrier.  Very friendly.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on October 02, 2008, 01:39:00 PM
  the intersection of Tully and King. 

Saved from the cookpot!?!?! :galm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on October 02, 2008, 02:44:49 PM
No from the traffic, but the cookpot might have been a secondary threat :galm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on October 20, 2008, 02:33:08 PM
My dog's losing weight. And when I walked her out in the front yard yesterday afternoon she pranced on the way out. I thought, okay, this is an interesting trend, so I threw her ball. She streaked after it, recovered it, then went over to a shady spot about ten yards away and just plopped down. OK, I get it, that's enough. :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on October 22, 2008, 09:46:18 PM
p1g5 on south park! p1g5 on south park!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on October 22, 2008, 10:22:36 PM
I'll have to wait a couple of hours...damn east coasters...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: First Post on October 22, 2008, 10:25:51 PM
torrents are up immediately after. in Realplayer!  :thumbsup:

gonna catch up now.



Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on October 23, 2008, 12:32:53 AM
Aw, it's a two-parter! Funny shit.

I remember busking the Folklife Festival we have up here every Memorial Day and it was the kiss of death if a Peruvian Folk band decided to set up shop next door to our act. It was like a black hole.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 23, 2008, 08:05:12 AM
!!!!

Shit. Missed it. I'll see if Boy Monkey can get a hold of a copy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on October 23, 2008, 08:34:43 PM
Greyson's becoming an even more expensive habit.

He has a(nother) UTI. We stopped the Cefa-Drops, which had the side effect of stopping the runs and thus giving him more chances for UTI. We started amoxicillin. Turns out, there are multiple infective goodies up his bladder and the main one is resistant to amoxicillin. We started him on doxycycline - and he vomits that up as soon as I get it down his throat. So, tonight, I have to go pick up a fourth drug which hopefully he can tolerate a bit better.

Of course, you can't returns drugs for store credit...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 23, 2008, 08:37:11 PM
 :thumbsdn: :(

Poor kitty. That just sucks.

 :shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 25, 2008, 05:23:31 PM
 :(

Give Grayson a little rub under the chin from me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 30, 2008, 08:55:58 AM
Ramona is down ot 873 grams and is hooting like a squeak toy (pain.) I've given her metacam and will call Dr. D after I get back from my own two-legger vet appointment for, yeh, pain. This has not been a good week. There's nothing we can really do at this point other than hasten the process that's already started. Fuck. I'd file the paperwork for a break from all of this shit, but I can't seem to find the window to hand it in.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 30, 2008, 09:42:20 AM
Son of a bitch.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on October 30, 2008, 10:57:45 AM
I was afraid this was coming soon.  Ugh.
 
:hug:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 30, 2008, 01:15:30 PM
She's all high on the metacam and is running around getting up in everybody's grill. Even mine. I got headbutted when I took her out of the pen to get weighed a second time. Pig has way too much attitude for her size.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 30, 2008, 03:48:05 PM
Takes after her herder, then? 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 30, 2008, 04:19:01 PM
 :hmm:

I've never peed on anyone to deter them. Maybe she learned that from watching Mike?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on October 30, 2008, 05:26:55 PM
"Don't feed me vegetables or ethnic foods, or I'll have to pee on you"?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on November 03, 2008, 08:53:45 PM
So Artemis has been doing this weird purring thing for several years now and I think I managed to get a video of it, but I'm still not satisfied with the video. She will have sort of labored breathing when she purrs, like there's some physical obstruction in there and she has to open her mouth to breathe in. Occasionally, but not captured on this video, she will stop breathing. She will often swallow hard, as she does here a couple of times. It's concerning, and I mentioned it to the vet, who suggested the video. HOWEVER, the cat does this behavior (with the breathing stopping and what not) most reliably when I'm fresh out of the shower and under the covers with no clothes on. She likes to snuggle all up on top of the blanket and purr and love on me.

With the hard swallowing, btw, she will belch a minute or so later. Pretty gross/humorous at the same time. Anyway, here's the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfczKSwk0pE
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 03, 2008, 08:56:58 PM
Tease!

You distinctly have clothes on in that video clip.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on November 03, 2008, 09:10:05 PM
Yeah well, it's youtube, not youporn.  :P
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on November 03, 2008, 09:29:40 PM
I think youporn is free, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: dogbone on November 03, 2008, 09:32:37 PM
This is Dippy the Dawg.

(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9493/pictureorvideo007rn2.jpg)

We were running low on the high rent dogfood (pictured in the lower bowl) and we had a little bit of the bargain stuff left over from a burst of frugality about 6 months ago (northernmost bowl). The bargain stuff has multi-colored kibble -- dark brown, liver-y red, and light brown. Dippy only likes 2/3rds of the colors. Can you guess from this photo which color Dippy the Dawg doesn't like?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 03, 2008, 10:05:22 PM
:harumph: It wouldn't be porn.

Dippy, man. What is your little doggy problem!?!?!? :galm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 04, 2008, 01:42:29 AM
Pupuli does something similar in her purring, but she's not doing it as much as she did when she first lived here. It's like after a moment of purring she needed to swallow. There's a second scent organ [looks up...] the vomeronasal organ in the top of the mouth, and maybe Artemis could have a cold in there? (I'm guessing that there's something viscous to conduct the smells around to the receptors.)

She and Greyson both love the scent of soap. If we bathed and didn't rinse off multiple times a day they'd be happy [and not only because the evil water wasn't involved].
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 04, 2008, 07:49:10 AM
I love the expression on Dippy's face.  Someone cleverer than I  needs to LOL it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 04, 2008, 01:40:13 PM
It's fascinating that there's still no definitive answer as to what a cat's purr is (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=why-do-cats-purr) and where it comes from.

Dippy the Dawg is awesome with an E.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 04, 2008, 02:58:09 PM
Yah to that article.  From a physiologico-evolutionary point of view, cats probably purr because it makes them heal faster and better, with less inflamation.  Cats put themselves through an enormous amount of wear and tear, and their habitual activities are especially taxing on stretchy connective tissues.  I mean, dogs exert themselves, but not in the same range of ways that cats do.

Leopards and jaguars are particularly awesome, in what they can do.  The big cats can't purr nearly as well as the small cats can -- last I heard, the consensus is that the big ones can only purr while exhaling, and that they don't do it anywhere near as frequently as the small cats, especially once they reach adulthood.  A lot of zoologists and trivia books insist that the big cats can't purr at all.  Of course, a lot of zoologists insist that camels don't spit.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: dogbone on November 04, 2008, 05:47:45 PM
Camels swallow.

I can't tell you how I know, but I know.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 06, 2008, 09:12:37 AM
Driving miss Ramona to the vet. Between her being old and slow, and my being slow from getting cut on - it was the OJ Simpson chase all over again this morning in the pig pen. The others didn't even bother to flee. They  just stood around watching. I almost think I heard a KTLA chopper in the distance.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on December 18, 2008, 11:07:21 PM
Greyson died tonight. I don't know if he had a stroke or what, but by the time I got him to the vet's it was too late.

18 is a respectable age for a cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on December 18, 2008, 11:33:07 PM
I'm so sorry, storm.  :(

18 is a very respectable age. I couldn't wish for more from my children kitties.

Tunie and Pepper give you big paw hugs, too.*hug*
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on December 18, 2008, 11:39:39 PM
Sorry for your loss. =(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 18, 2008, 11:59:17 PM
Greyson died tonight. I don't know if he had a stroke or what, but by the time I got him to the vet's it was too late.

18 is a respectable age for a cat.

Holy shit, G.  :hug:

I'm not surprised at all that he clocked in that many years in your care. 18 is a very, very good run.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on December 19, 2008, 12:05:24 AM
 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on December 19, 2008, 12:16:38 AM
That's awful.  Too close to the holidays.
 
:hug:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 19, 2008, 01:14:31 AM
Oh  :(  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 19, 2008, 01:47:00 AM
:(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 19, 2008, 06:05:17 AM
 :(

Sorry, Storm. Greyson was lucky to have you.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on December 19, 2008, 08:59:45 AM
I'm sorry for your loss, storm

:hug: :rose:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on December 19, 2008, 04:00:16 PM
Dude :cry:

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on December 21, 2008, 12:14:05 PM
Greyson put up a good, long fight.   :(  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on December 21, 2008, 02:28:34 PM
 :rose: :rose: :rose:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on December 21, 2008, 05:41:54 PM
Sorry, bro.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on December 30, 2008, 11:49:24 PM
Well, Pupuli and Kuro are still fighting for who gets to be alpha, and it looks like Kuro's losing.

As well as all your notes, we got a letter from the primary vet. And today a card from the office staff. :trance:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 31, 2008, 12:13:34 AM
I think most vets send cards, and that's nice.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 31, 2008, 12:21:42 AM
Dr. D has sent us a handwritten card every time we've lost a pig. Even the ones that passed away here at home. And yeah, he means what he writes.

Every time I get those cards it's  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:  because 1) P1g l055 and 2) world's awesomest vet ever OMG.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 08, 2009, 12:07:12 AM
Kuro's been upset and not grooming too much (and trying to become a sweater puppy much to my jealousy). He'd gotten mats in his fur, and brushing wasn't clearing them, and shampooing made it worse.

So, I took him to a groomer. It was about 2.5 hours, and after I got home we kept looking at his ear (which is now fairly unique) to make sure I brought the same cat home. He looks younger and fluffier, he chowed down like he hadn't been eating, and he's comfortable sitting with us instead of on Magpy.

Don't know how long it'll last but it's like he spent a day at the spa.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on January 08, 2009, 12:31:57 AM
Last night, as I was trying to fall asleep, I was overcome by a sense of loss and sadness. It was a physical pain that tightened my throat to the point that I had to sit up in bed. I was trying my best not to breakdown into a total, sobbing mess but I missed my bunny so much.

I sat in bed rocking and crying for probably 15 minutes, trying to catch my breath and clear the tension in my throat. All of the regrets, the what ifs, second guessing myself. I cannot decide if we should get another bunny. There is a part of me that feels like there is a major missing part of our lives. But then there is a part of me that worries that another bunny will only serve as a reminder of the one that is missing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 08, 2009, 12:37:02 AM
I still miss Murray and Chloe, but the n00bs have all been good things. They're living reminders of the very small number of things I get right.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: dogbone on January 08, 2009, 07:30:43 AM
I still miss all my dearly departed, but Joe, our big cat, in particular. We were close.

My take is that you're still too conflicted to jump into bunny infested waters, Vox. If you get on now, it'll likely be defined by what it's not, rather than what it is, and that'd be a lesser experience for all of you.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 08, 2009, 09:43:23 AM
I know my mother misses Squeak like hell - she was around for 19 years but they also were extremely close.  But she also loves the new kittens to pieces, which takes up some of the room the sadness might otherwise get.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on January 08, 2009, 01:10:50 PM
Another bunny isn't going to replace Barrister, but it will fill that hole in your heart.  Having something to love and care for will do wonders for your pain.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 08, 2009, 01:27:56 PM
Besides E-man, we mean.  Kids and pets don't take each other's places.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 11, 2009, 01:46:37 PM
I am in danger of actually becoming a crazy cat lady. I still only have the one cat, but I started obsessing about feeding the birds yesterday so that she would have some sort of mental stimulation during the daytime. I still had one little woodpecker coming by to peck at the last morsels of the suet feeder and I *know* I had bought more of the food but I couldn't find it anywhere. So, in trying to avoid actually going to the store, I remembered I had bought some random seeds and stuff at Whole Foods (the bulk aisle, I know I have flax and sesame, but I don't know what the other thing was). and then I thought, Gee, I have some nasty (because it's old) peanut butter in the fridge. And then it was like Hmm, there's an open package of almonds in the pantry, they're likely not delicious anymore, and they're not seasoned or toasted. And wait! What are those dried fruits!?

I cut up a small handful of golden raisins (c. 2005), a piece of dried pitaya, which i haven't been able to eat due to my teeth, some of the almonds, and threw in some of the seeds. Then, a spoonful of the cold peanut butter (that shit was organic, too), and about a quarter cup of Crisco, and I mashed it all together. I found my boots and coat and went outside to fill up that feeder, and my estimation of amount was definitely under, but hopefully it'll last a little while. I just hope those birds like any of that shit. I didn't have sunflower seeds, which I know cardinals like.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: NexR on January 11, 2009, 03:24:09 PM
I am in danger of actually becoming a crazy cat lady.

We know.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 11, 2009, 03:52:47 PM
 :fyp:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 11, 2009, 03:53:45 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 11, 2009, 04:05:36 PM
I am, too, except not so much the lady part.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 11, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
Quote
I just hope those birds like any of that shit.

They'll like the peanut butter and crisco. I dunno about the other stuff.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 11, 2009, 10:34:23 PM
I am a crazy cat lady, but only have two cats.

eldiem, you will have the most popular bird feeder on the block once they find that -- the peanut butter and lard are the high protein stuff that keeps those high-metabolismed birds alive this time of year. You have a wider diversity of birds back east than we do (I'd love to see a real cardinal someday), but I'm sure the are similar varieties. Woodpeckers and nuthatches like the nuts, if you get orioles and robins (and other thrushes), they like fruit.

I worried about the birds during the snow we had here, but was too sick to go out, so my long suffering husband kindly went out and filled the feeders every day.  :love:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 12, 2009, 12:22:40 PM
HALLELUJAH! (http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/ksc/725674463.html)

I feel better, now.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 12, 2009, 12:27:56 PM
HALLELUJAH! (http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/ksc/725674463.html)

I feel better, now.


WHY   DID   I   NOT   THINK    OF   THAT?!    :banghead: :diabolical:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on January 12, 2009, 12:34:38 PM
Genius!


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 12, 2009, 01:08:05 PM
HALLELUJAH! (http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/ksc/725674463.html)

I feel better, now.


WHY   DID   I   NOT   THINK    OF   THAT?!    :banghead: :diabolical:

Lex pets need post-Rapture care too!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 12, 2009, 03:51:05 PM
Jesus the pet hater!  :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 12, 2009, 03:55:10 PM
I don't know how we can be sure that pets aren't smart enough to accept Jesus.  I'm not sure being smart is necessarily a prerequisite.

Not hatin' the Belters.  Just sayin'.

I mean, a hell of a lot of dogs will accept ANYONE as their personal savior.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 12, 2009, 03:58:22 PM
Anyone, even a Chuy toy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 12, 2009, 04:44:08 PM
"Wait, does that salvation come with a treat?"
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 12, 2009, 05:08:53 PM

I mean, a hell of a lot of dogs will accept ANYONE as their personal savior.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 28, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
My cat started throwing up even when she wasn't hairballing, and I checked her food (it was Iams dry food, which she got hooked on while we were still living with my brother and his cats), and, yeah, the ingredients suck.  Meijer had nothing that didn't either have 'by-product' or 'corn' in the first ingredient, so I had to suck it up and go to PetCo, which usually lets me down.  This time, though, they had the Castor & Pollux catfood I always hear talked up on the web, and it's clearly a lot better.

But would my cat eat it?  The small bags were expensive, but the 15-lb bag was about the same price as the Iams is at Meijer.  And, lo and behold, my cat went bananas for it the way she does for human-style tuna.  If she keeps eating it like that, I may have to ration it out instead of just keeping her bowl topped up.

Time will tell if it helps with the hairballs, etc, but it's certainly not a step down.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 28, 2009, 05:24:27 PM
So much for the "you have to slowly introduce new foods to a cat." A sudden change with our cats means they'll either love it or hate it, and they don't change their opinion over time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 28, 2009, 06:16:42 PM

(http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/qc-cogito-blue-sm.gif)



edit:  Seems only fair to mention that this is a T-shirt design from Questionable Content (http://www.questionablecontent.net/).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 01, 2009, 06:02:43 PM
The cat probably has cancer.  :(  Every so often her lower eyelid would swell and get goopy, but then go down after a day or two.  This time it didn't go down, so Punk took her in.  It's not actually her eyelid.  She has a massive tumor inside her mouth on that side.  They're doing a biopsy now.  The vet hypothesized that it's spread, explaining her weird gigantic fatness.

 :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on February 01, 2009, 06:11:17 PM
Oh shit Feff.  :(

Yeah, metastacized cancer tends to do weird things like drain stuff into the belly, causing it to swell. It's what's happening to my GF's dad who is in end stage.

I'm so sorry. This sucks.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on February 01, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
Poor Eris  :(

I couldn't remember her name, so I had to go back and search through this thread. Man, there's a lot of sadness in this thread.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on February 01, 2009, 06:43:17 PM
Oh no :( Poor kitty.

I'm sorry. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 02, 2009, 10:52:44 AM
 :thumbsdn:

I'm so sorry, Feff.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on February 02, 2009, 11:07:39 AM
Not at all what you want a vet to say, Feff and Punk.  :rose:

The thread's a downer because our pets usually are happy and chipper, and that's the normal. We comment when something goes boink. I think of how little gets posted sometimes, and that makes me happier.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 02, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
:(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on February 03, 2009, 03:07:20 PM
I'm so sorry, Fef. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 03, 2009, 04:20:46 PM
Last night we heard that the head x-ray shows a large mass growing up her bone.  The aspiration did not show cancer cells, but the vet is still pretty convinced.  She went back in today to get a lymph node biopsy and a chest x-ray.  They're starting her on antibiotics because she definitely has an infection.  Oof.  We should hear back on the x-ray tomorrow and the biopsy on Thurs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on February 03, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
=(

:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on February 03, 2009, 07:02:10 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 04, 2009, 09:30:27 AM
Damn ingrates never cough up any cash for the food or vet bills either.

 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on February 04, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
I try to remind them of that but all they do is give me "The Look."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 05, 2009, 09:47:12 AM
Chest x-ray: no tumors.
Lymph node aspiration: no cancer cells.

So now we take her in AGAIN so they can cut out a piece of the tumor and test that.  We thought that was the first thing they did!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 05, 2009, 10:24:22 AM
See?  And then they're difficult on top of everything else.  If they could just explain what they're feeling in words we can understand, it would make life so much easier.

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on February 05, 2009, 10:55:12 AM
Poor kitteh.  :(
I hope she has pain meds. Metacam can be delivered orally, so no need to futz with needles. Stuff works like a charm on 'mona so I tend to bang on about it at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on February 05, 2009, 11:05:05 AM
sorry to hear all this. i really do hope she can come home soon.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 05, 2009, 11:22:09 AM
They didn't send her home with any pain meds from the aspirations, but I bet she'll get some for the lumpectomy.  She needs to be put under for this procedure.  She can come home tonight, though.  She hasn't had to spend any nights away from home.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 05, 2009, 12:14:06 PM
Poor kitty.

I'm starting to get really irritated with the veterinary industry. I think they're playing it pretty fast and loose. We had an incident where we sent the dog to get groomed and have her nails trimmed, and she ended up taking a crap that they said contained tapeworms. We had to pay for therapy and lab tests -- which came back negative. I think they lied about the crap. The $100 crap, as I'm calling it now, because that's what I needed to shell out to get the dog out of hock. They've been pushing procedures and tests on us that we don't want to do, and this incident has convinced me that we really don't need them either.

Sorry if that was a non sequitur. But this "OMG KITTY HAZ CANCAR YOU MUST PAY LOTS oh not really, huh, funny, gee I guess we were wrong" sounds damn familiar right now.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 05, 2009, 01:03:41 PM
I know.  :-/  But she certainly has something, even if it's not cancer.  I don't think the vet is faking the bloody lump on the inside of her mouth that is somehow bleeding through her cheek.  And her inner eyelid is always showing.  Ugh, she's a mess.  At least we got the mats shaved off her back.  She's so fat she can't clean back there.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 05, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
Email from Punk:

She made it through the procedure okay, but the growth has caused significant bone damage to her jaw and facial bones. One of her back right molars was just hanging on by skin because of the bone damage and they reached in and pulled it out with their fingers.

 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on February 05, 2009, 03:47:58 PM
Gah!
 
:eek:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on February 05, 2009, 04:01:43 PM
i'm fortunate enough to have a friend who's a vet. he can get pretty pissed about the industry, too. he's a stand up vet and has seen too much "fast and loose" going on.

i always enjoy talking shop with him and where things in the industry are.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 05, 2009, 04:14:40 PM
Oh, poor kitty :(

:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on February 05, 2009, 04:28:08 PM
I'm knocking on wood all day long because . . . if it were my cat, I could not afford vet bills in this era.  :pray:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on February 05, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
*shudder*
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on February 05, 2009, 09:48:27 PM
Aww, Kitteh :(

Did they remove the entire lump? or just a biopsy? I keep thinking about how much pain my kitty must've been in while I put off getting her dental cleaning done. I of all people to even unknowingly subject another creature to dental pain... But the vet said it was something she should have done, but it wasn't immediately necessary, so I put it off. $600 is a lot for something routine, I convinced myself. But when they got her anesthetized and went in there to do the cleaning, the vet said she was still giving a pain reflex when he touched one particular tooth (in the back). I felt like the worst catmom ever. They pulled the tooth and I noticed a difference in her behavior AND her stank breath went away.

Cats (and most animals in general) can do a really good job of hiding that stuff.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on February 06, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
Poor kitty. :(

Petunia and Pepper give big kitty hugs. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 06, 2009, 07:47:07 PM
You would not have known she had been under general yesterday.  She acted normally, ate normally and had no outward wounds.  I didn't look in her mouth, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 07, 2009, 04:58:47 PM
Well, kitty does have cancer.  The vet wouldn't give Punk any info, just a referral to an oncologist.  It hasn't metastasized.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on February 07, 2009, 05:02:50 PM
 :(  :( :(

Poor wee thing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on February 07, 2009, 05:08:37 PM
 :thumbsdn:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: DisorderlyConductor on February 07, 2009, 05:10:54 PM
:thumbsdn:

Second.

 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on February 07, 2009, 05:22:51 PM
Ugh, ugh, ugh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 09, 2009, 10:57:05 AM
:pray: :shamrock: :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on February 09, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
:( so sorry, hon. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on February 10, 2009, 03:41:40 PM
:hug: :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: sm0k4 on February 10, 2009, 03:50:36 PM
Ouch.  :thumbsdn: Poor kitty.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 10, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
It's weird...  She's acting more social and looks better now than she has in a long time.  The only treatment she's had is some antibiotics. 

She hasn't been to the oncologist yet, but Punk was going to call and set an appt today.  Stuff we've been reading is not hopeful.  Radiation apparently wouldn't do much if the tumor is deeper than 2 mm.  Surgery, if that's even possible considering the extent, only buys an average of a year.  We're not considering chemo.  It's too cruel.

Eh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on February 10, 2009, 05:19:44 PM
Man.  Ugh.



Not nearly in the same league . . . my cat hadn't thrown up, as far as I can tell, since I switched her to the new dry food.  Then, last night, she abruptly coughed up a hairball the size of a nylon stocking.  :trance:  It didn't traumatize her, but it horrified me.  Frankly, it didn't seem physically possible.  I'm hoping that is, at most, an exceedingly rare event.

Annoyingly, no one around here seems to sell the only anti-hairball treats she'll eat, the Friskies Tender ones.  Meijer seems to have stopped carrying them, and Petco / PetSmart (I always forget which one the one near me actually is) didn't have any, either.  WTF?  I froogled, and I can get them online through PetSmart . . . but at like a dollar more per packet than Meijer used to have them for.  What, did the price of petrolatum jump?  And almost no one else seems to be selling them online.

She's sometimes willing to eat some Laxatone, which works better than anything else -- it's basically just fish oil and Vaseline -- but neither Meijer nor Petwhatever had that on the shelves, either.  Looked online, and it's easy to get, but . . . PetSmart wanted more than twice as much as most places.  WTF is up with that?  Screw them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on February 10, 2009, 06:28:09 PM
It's weird...  She's acting more social and looks better now than she has in a long time.  The only treatment she's had is some antibiotics. 

She hasn't been to the oncologist yet, but Punk was going to call and set an appt today.  Stuff we've been reading is not hopeful.  Radiation apparently wouldn't do much if the tumor is deeper than 2 mm.  Surgery, if that's even possible considering the extent, only buys an average of a year.  We're not considering chemo.  It's too cruel.

Eh.

 :thumbsdn: :(

Sorry y'all are having to go through this.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on February 10, 2009, 07:51:51 PM
=/ I'm so sorry to hear about your kitty, Feffer.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 01, 2009, 04:46:38 PM
Eris continues to worsen.  She was pretty much continuously bleeding from her mouth and maybe a little from her eye.  Punk took her to the kitty ER last night where they pulled 2 more teeth.  Today she seems better, but not great.  He asked whether she should be put down and they said "We'll do that if that's what you want".  DAMMIT.  We want some medical advice!  Why won't anyone tell us their opinions?  They gave us a week's worth of pain meds.  She goes to the oncologist on Tuesday.  I wonder if THEY'LL weasel out of giving us advice, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 01, 2009, 05:39:18 PM
Ugh. :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on March 01, 2009, 05:56:38 PM
From having had to do this too many times, I can tell you that you have to make the decision based on evaluating her Quality of Life. Those are the very words you're going to need to use to initiate this conversation. That way they can approach it clinically and avoid the emotional minefield - which is why they keep shifting it back on you.

Pets don't bounce back from cancer just like most people don't. That sounds like some pretty serious bleeding and y'all have done - from my observation - everything that you can. That's based on what I've read, though - you've been living it and have all the information.

If she's suffering, it's time to let go. Vets get really weird about putting animals down ... maybe it's lawsuit fear or because they don't want to violate their own Hipocrat. Oath. I dunno. The times when we've made this call - Dr. D always let me be the one to call it, he never made the suggestion on his own. We looked at the test results, did a Q of L evaluation, and I said what I thought was best. Ugh. Now I'm all  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on March 01, 2009, 07:42:05 PM
OK, I know I am officially not here - so you see nothing!

First off Big Big Hugs. I am so sorry.

I have to agree with the Stoat, it is all about quality of life. One of my very best friends had an old cat that was having many problems, it got to the point where they kept it in the bathroom to give it space away from their other cats and because it had lost all bodily function control. My friend did not have him put to sleep because he was purring constantly and she thought that meant that he was still happy. After allowing him to live in the bathroom for a year and pass away on his own she found out that cats in extreme pain purr as a method of self-soothing. Kinda to keep their mind off of their pain.

She regrets her decision to keep him alive to this day. I know that you will do everything you can to make things better, but sometimes the kindest thing you can give them is peace.

I will keep my fingers crossed for good results.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 01, 2009, 08:06:19 PM
We of course do not want her to be in pain, but we don't want to put her down prematurely.  The ER vet said that the bleeding was most likely caused by the loose teeth, and getting those out would stop it.  She still eats and uses the catbox unfailingly.  If all she needs is a bit of pain medication for a while... 

Argh.  I know she's not going to get better, especially since we're not going to treat the cancer.  I just don't want to put her down if she still has a few good months in her.  She still talks to us and loves her dried chicken treats.  I guess we'll see how she is over the next couple of days, and what the other vet says.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on March 01, 2009, 10:38:04 PM
You are doing what I would probably be doing. She's still eating and using the box, she is still social with you guys and pulling the teeth and the pain meds are working. Cats are REALLY good at hiding pain/discomfort. When the cat I had growing up gave up on trying to hide it, that's when we knew it was time.

I'm so sorry. This is hard. :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 03, 2009, 06:12:18 PM
Vet says she's got 1-3 months left.  She needs antibiotics and anti-inflammatories, but the vet says she still seems to be in good spirits and not in much pain.  So.  She's got some drugs to last her and make her feel better until things get bad.  Punk found out what to do if she dies before we put her down.  If we did aggressive chemo we'd buy her ONE MORE MONTH. 

This is a very disorganized post.  Anyway, I'm surprised she has that much time left.  I was pretty sure she wouldn't be coming home today.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on March 03, 2009, 06:21:57 PM
 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 03, 2009, 06:35:34 PM
Dang. :hug: Glad she's in good spirits.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 03, 2009, 07:06:30 PM
Ugh. Tough situation. At least she's not in pain.

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on March 03, 2009, 09:13:10 PM
=(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: GB on March 03, 2009, 09:24:42 PM
I'm sorry! :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on March 03, 2009, 11:34:58 PM
I sympathize. This isn't fun.

Are you doing anything to prep your daughter? I don't know what's right or wrong, there.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 03, 2009, 11:39:25 PM
Well, she knows kitty is very sick.  She's been really gentle with Eris and doesn't bother her as much as she used to.  Other than that, we haven't done any prep.  She's getting to the age where she might remember stuff, so I think we'll have to be thoughtful about this.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on March 07, 2009, 12:32:52 AM
While we were waiting for Kuro to have his lab work done, the next patient came in and sat down next to us. It was a pair of Brussels Griffons.

They were were incredibly bouncy and cute. A lot of fur for such a small dog, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 19, 2009, 01:10:36 PM
We think the kitty cat has about had it.  The sore on her face is bleeding more and so is the tumor inside her mouth.   :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on March 19, 2009, 01:41:09 PM
Ugh. Is she in distress about it?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 19, 2009, 01:55:59 PM
She doesn't seem to be in any distress at all, luckily.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on March 19, 2009, 02:10:39 PM
Poor kitty.   :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on March 19, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
 :(  :( :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on March 19, 2009, 06:37:36 PM
I am so sorry.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on March 21, 2009, 03:09:35 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 27, 2009, 07:06:17 PM
We have an appointment at 4 tomorrow for an exam and there we will decide what to do.  It's really starting to hit me now.  I feel bad because she doesn't seem to be in too much pain, but I think the sore on her face has eaten all the way through.  She drools blood all over the house.  I'm afraid we're going to put her down because we're inconvenienced.   :(   :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on March 27, 2009, 07:14:33 PM
:hug: :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on March 27, 2009, 07:57:43 PM
:(
 
:hug:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on March 27, 2009, 08:36:47 PM
You're certainly not inconvenienced by it, you've done nothing but give her lots of love and care.

If she's having that much difficulty now, the sad truth is that her quality of life will be curbed very shortly, like within days.

You are loving parents to not want her to suffer. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 27, 2009, 09:01:31 PM
You shouldn't feel guilty about it. There's no way you can know what the cat is feeling - it could be in a lot of pain. And the situation is not going to improve.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on March 27, 2009, 09:20:55 PM
Cats try not to let you know what's going on. It's part of what they taught ninjas.

:shamrock: and :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on March 27, 2009, 11:00:04 PM
You're certainly not inconvenienced by it, you've done nothing but give her lots of love and care.

If she's having that much difficulty now, the sad truth is that her quality of life will be curbed very shortly, like within days.

You are loving parents to not want her to suffer. :hug:

That. Exactly absolutely and utterly THAT. When I had Vyvyan put to sleep, her kidneys were just starting to fail. (There's a dipstick in the pee test for that) She wasn't suffering yet, but she didn't have control over her bladder any more and I was bathing her every week just to keep her clean. This is the worst thing about having pets whose health issues corner you into making a decision. The rational part of your brain knows you've done everything that can be done. The emotional part  . . . needs a kick in the ass. Ugh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 28, 2009, 12:15:39 AM
Thanks, guys.  I got home from a cooking class a few minutes ago, and patted her on top of the head.  Jesus Christ, my hand stunk so bad.  That can't possibly be good.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 28, 2009, 08:19:06 PM
So, we took her in today and we were right, the tumor had broken through her cheek.  We left her there.  As we were driving away, Lilia said, "We left the kitty there.  That's sad.  Daddy, please turn around and go back."

 :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on March 28, 2009, 08:46:06 PM
Oh, the little ones just put it out there, don't they?

 :(

:hug: all around.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 28, 2009, 08:50:52 PM
:cry:

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on March 28, 2009, 08:55:07 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on March 28, 2009, 11:36:56 PM
 :(

I'm sorry guys.

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on March 28, 2009, 11:49:46 PM
Oh man.  :(   :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on March 29, 2009, 08:19:01 AM
=(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on March 29, 2009, 11:43:03 AM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on March 29, 2009, 02:18:58 PM
Ow, that's heartbreaking.
 
:(


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on March 30, 2009, 03:28:35 AM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 31, 2009, 01:04:53 PM
Yeah, man.  :hug:


And this is one of those situations where the fact that you feel guilty about it proves you're not just doing it selfishly.  You know?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on March 31, 2009, 02:25:33 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 04, 2009, 12:02:53 AM
What's odd is that Carmen is very, very protective of her sister. This is  :lol: :rollin: because that pig is the biggest chickenshit on the planet. The pigloos hold two pigs (or one Little Bit, she is . . . not small) and they were both in there. Carmen would not let me scoop her out of the way to get at her sister. I got headbutted and threatened.  :shock:
I'm more worried about how she's going to handle this than I am. Ugh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on April 04, 2009, 08:54:51 AM
I did not want to mention it when it happened because it happened the same day as poor kitty. And really, there is no comparison to poor kitty - he really wasn't what one would call a "companion" animal. But my old man Canary Orion finally gave up the ghost.

He was 10 years old and had a good run I think. It is strange to not have his song this spring tho.

We are now officially down to 1 pet, which is very strange. When the Eman was born we had a full house - 1 Bunny, 2 'tiels, 1 Zebra finch, 3 Society Finches and a Canary. We lost one finch in the first year, but then 2008 was a bitch. Now all we have left is my 'tiel Dagney, she is 13 years old and could conceivably live until 25. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on April 04, 2009, 12:01:01 PM
Oh geez!  That sucks.   :( 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 04, 2009, 04:40:45 PM
Poor little fellow.  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 04, 2009, 07:50:57 PM
:cry:

:hug:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 04, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
So I hear there's a new kitty 'round the FefferPunk household...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on April 05, 2009, 12:23:54 AM
Yes, and she's a pterodactyl!  She's got thumbs on her front paws.  Rear paws appear normal.  She's incredibly lovey.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 05, 2009, 01:26:35 AM
 :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on April 05, 2009, 01:40:18 AM
Here you can kind of see the polydactyly.  She's bigger than this now, this is from a few weeks ago.

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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on April 05, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
The girl we got her from named her Grushenka.  The other cat's name is Ivanovich.  Punk and Lilia named her Kooky after a Wow Wow Wubbzy song.  "That's kooky, Kooky's cool"

She's spent most of the night on my lap.  She already seems pretty comfortable here.  Obie doesn't phase her at all.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 05, 2009, 07:50:42 AM
Yes, and she's a pterodactyl!  She's got thumbs on her front paws.  Rear paws appear normal.  She's incredibly lovey.

Must be a thing with the younger generation.  My mom's kittens have six or seven claws on each paw.  Dangerous!

Yay for new kitty!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on April 05, 2009, 08:43:44 AM
ooh, pretty kitty!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 05, 2009, 09:22:59 AM
So cutes!!! Congrats :-)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on April 05, 2009, 09:27:27 AM
omg kitteh! =)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 05, 2009, 11:09:34 AM
 :detta: :detta: :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: GB on April 06, 2009, 07:17:01 PM
Very cute.  I like the name.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: sm0k4 on April 09, 2009, 05:48:31 AM
If my boys weren't fixed we could have bred lots of little pterodactyls.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on April 09, 2009, 08:15:51 PM
For some reason I read that in LBJ's voice, and he was talking about something completely different.

(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9662/lbj.jpg)

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 09, 2009, 09:21:34 PM
:galm:

Wanna see my appendectomy scar?


Actually the best political cartoon I ever saw was about that. LBJ was showing off his scar to the reporters, and it was shaped like Vietnam. Now that was f*ing genius.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on April 09, 2009, 09:24:02 PM
A friend of mine years back did a cartoon of a mushroom cloud that looked like Reagan. Wish I had a scan of that...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 24, 2009, 08:38:51 AM
So, back on thread. Our old dog is going through another bad stretch. I have to tote her out to the vet again today because she won't eat or drink or take her pills. She's usually so good about vitamins and medications that we have no practice with the old jam it down the throat and hold her nose thing and she's all bitey about it.

Am really worried this time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on April 24, 2009, 10:25:22 AM
 :(  I'm sorry.  I hope they can help.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 24, 2009, 12:15:14 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:

Right there with you. Ramona's channeling Red Foxx. Twice now she's done the expiration hoot. Pig is making both of us nuts.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 24, 2009, 01:05:25 PM
 :( :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 24, 2009, 01:22:17 PM
She's a lot better today, but she won't get up, or eat or drink. If I pick her up and stand her on her feet she'll walk fairly normally back to her bed and lie down. Vet gave her a big subcutaneous hydration shot to stave off dehydration for now, hopefully she'll be recovering soon. No fever today and no obvious pain, kidneys are fine, liver is somewhat farked (hmm, better check the level of the whiskey bottle) but she's got meds for that. Guess we just have to be patient again (and put off buying the laptop for U2 a couple of months ;) ). I'm mostly worried about her morale. She did eat a synthetic-bacon treat and some milk.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 01, 2009, 09:07:52 PM
Are very, very pleased with their clean pen and filled hay rack. My foot on the other hand.... it has RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!
Ow. Owowowowowowowowowwww
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 01, 2009, 10:13:09 PM
Ouch.

Dog is better, by the way. She's almost back to normal. Vet has NO IDEA what is was. However, the therapy she recommended worked, so I'm gonna score that a win. On the down side, she's gotten used to being hand fed chopped chicken breast and rice, so she's being a bit snooty about regular food. Yay!

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 02, 2009, 10:14:52 AM
My cat has something mysterious under her skin.  Seriously, it's very WTF.  It's on her chest, just in front of where her left foreleg's shoulder joint is.  It's an irregular triangle, about the size of half a dime but much thinner, and feels like a piece of plastic.  She doesn't evince any discomfort, though, not even when I was obsessively palpating the area trying to figure it out.

:shrug:

It sure doesn't feel like any kind of tumor.  It's too big and oddly shaped to likely be a splinter or something that she jabbed herself with some time ago and that the skin grew over.  I may try shaving away the fur over it (won't that be fun) to see if the skin looks abnormal, but I think it's probably benign, whatever it is.

Pretty freaking strange, though.  I will try to monitor it for changes in size / shape / position.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 02, 2009, 11:40:30 AM
Well, how else is she going to communicate with the spaceship? All cats have subdermal communication devices. That's why they always emerge from the closest room feigning boredom after you've spent 15 minutes hollering and searching for them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on July 14, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Cats "exploit" humans by purring (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8147566.stm)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 14, 2009, 01:43:54 PM
Cats "exploit" humans by purring (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8147566.stm)

Don't forget the Toxoplasma gondii (http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/060803_tgondii_culture.html)! :galm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on July 14, 2009, 02:07:35 PM
My cat has a bald spot because I am the worst Mommy ever.  Brushed the hair clean off of him.   :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on July 14, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
Ah that reminds me, Carmen needs a haircut.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on July 14, 2009, 02:21:29 PM
That article is pretty funny.  I've no doubt cats manipulate humans that way, but I've seen them use the same call on other cats, too -- to elicit bathing, for instance.

That counts as talking.  Talking to someone to evoke a desired response is pretty much expected behavior.  The cat just has a limited vocabulary.  Frankly, any time an animal is trying to communicate with me and I know what the animal is trying to say and I can easily resolve the problem, I'm happy.  It's the cat that meows and meows and I don't know WTF the problem is that makes me crazy.  Or the dog that's barking and won't shut up even though, yes, I already SAW the damned squirrel.  I see it.  Shut up.

Maybe I just expect too much to be exploited?  Anyway, what I need them to figure out is why, if I open my mouth when I'm sleeping, my cat wants to ram a paw in there.  Seriously, don't do that.

Some day I'm going to come to work as a mute because I have claw injuries to my tongue, and my cat will be limping around the house, and neither of us will be happy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on July 14, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
 :lol:

I have been vexed lately as to the fact that our cats do NOT sniff each other's butts as a manner of greeting each other, which is what all the behavior books claim.

No, these cats sniff when one is getting attention (i.e. petted) and the other one realizes (or hears from the opposite end of the house) that she's getting left out of the lovin'.

The left-out cat rushes up and makes a beeline for the other cat's rear end, which seems to be taken as rude/offensive/passive-aggressive by the cat getting the attention, who then promptly gets pissed and slinks off, or turns around and tries to bite the other one.

Mind you, these cats are both babies and get plenty of attention. No one is ever left out.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on August 25, 2009, 11:41:56 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2009/aug/25/poodles-peacocks?picture=352065874
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 25, 2009, 02:24:42 PM
This is part of why I'm more of a cat person.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: unclejessie on December 09, 2009, 12:13:37 AM
This here's Pete

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2621/4170440861_a0de2ab6f9.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 09, 2009, 12:25:29 AM
OMGGGG
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on December 09, 2009, 12:41:32 AM
Hi Pete! And just which toe do you have your human wrapped around?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 09, 2009, 12:55:36 AM
Wait, is that somebody's balls in the picture?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 09, 2009, 05:41:31 AM
I had the same reaction - "awww, what a cute doggie.... wait a minute... what is that...?"

 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: unclejessie on December 10, 2009, 04:47:51 PM
i don't see it...
That's my forearm so if it looks like balls, I should probably go see a doctor.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 10, 2009, 05:00:10 PM
No, in the foreground - in blue.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 10, 2009, 06:16:11 PM
Blue. Balls.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: unclejessie on December 10, 2009, 06:18:27 PM
I think I'll refrain from telling the gf that it looks like she has nutsacks tucked under her sweatshirt.

You people.  :nuts:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 10, 2009, 06:20:24 PM
OK well my carefully constructed worldview has been destroyed by asteroid impact. *cough* That said, Pete is CUTE LIKE PUPPY, AWWWW
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 10, 2009, 06:53:54 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 10, 2009, 07:09:28 PM
Quote
I think I'll refrain from telling the gf that it looks like she has nutsacks tucked under her sweatshirt.

It's always awkward, but it might be best if she heard it from someone who cares.  Or maybe an anonymous e-card?  I don't think Hallmark has one for that occasion, but I've been very wrong before.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 25, 2009, 08:08:00 PM
I see you lost the puppy war, Hmof.  He's adorable.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 30, 2009, 02:20:00 AM
Fuck. I need a lot of alcohol and a hug. And some Xanax. Actually, no, I want general until the first week of 2010 is over.

We noticed there was little movement in the pig pen while we were in the People's Republic of Vermont. Yeah, they're all old and yeah they slow down at this age.... but something seemed like it was really off. And it was. Silky's doing the death plunge. We've seen this enough times to know what's up. She's dropped from 1110 grams on 12/14 to 896 grams on 12/29. That's a huge loss for a small animal. Yeah, part of it was mental. She does have abandonment issues and OCD.  :eyeroll: However, she was on antibiotics and attention therapy and it definitely made a difference mentally, but she's still plunging in the weight department. I've been giving her Metacam to ease discomfort - and it does help, but, it's kind of at the point where a Decision has to be made. 

I have a recheck for her scheduled on Thursday - plus I'm bringing in the other two for introductions so Mike will be there helping wrangle cavies. I'll have them take an x-ray for kidney stones, but I suspect there's nothing we can really do at this point. It doesn't get any easier, that's for sure. Carmen's the oldest - so I thought for sure she'd be the first to go. I guess not. Fuck, fuck, fuckity, ffffuuuuuuuuck.  :thumbsdn:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 30, 2009, 02:29:53 AM
Well, fuck.  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 30, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
Aw, fuck.  :thumbsdn:

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on December 30, 2009, 11:08:34 AM
Oh, crap. :hug: You've been wrong before, but it's still an emotional crap to deal with.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on December 30, 2009, 12:44:48 PM
 :(  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on December 30, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
Damn is right. :hug: :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 30, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
:thumbsdn: :shamrock: :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on December 30, 2009, 03:18:16 PM
:thumbsdn: :shamrock: :hug:

Those and a :moon: to cheer you up.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on December 30, 2009, 07:02:20 PM
 :thumbsdn:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 31, 2009, 02:01:16 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 31, 2009, 02:55:06 PM
Soooooo. Not including the visit over a week ago, today's was $238.54. (They did give us a nice discount for the other two who are healthy.) When S-Unit goes in for surgery, it'll be between $350-400. End result is bladder stone. We are 0-1 for this kind of surgery. It was too late for Java and even with all the drugs she died in discomfort. Squeaking and lurching and .... yeah... haven't forgotten. It might help. It might not.
The other issue is the bill itself.
 :trance:  I ..... I don't have it. I might, but I don't think I do. I'm off to go to the bank and make sure. If I do, it'll tap me completely out and I'll have to put off things like eating and paying bills for a little while.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 31, 2009, 03:09:30 PM
This is why I said no more pets. Not Klingon; only one heart. It can only be broken so many times before it gets all covered with scar tissue, you know? :love: :hug: :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 31, 2009, 03:47:29 PM
I've got an appointment for The Dude to get neutered on Monday. He's been spraying, so I've been keeping him outside 'cause I don't want him to spray the couch or something and funk up the whole house.

Weekend forecast:
Quote
Saturday Night...Mostly clear. Lows around 17.

Sunday...Sunny. Highs in the mid 40s.

Sunday Night...Mostly clear. Lows around 18.

 :angry:

Well, maybe I'll put some duct tape over his nether regions.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Tripper on December 31, 2009, 10:40:14 PM
We spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $3000 on Barrister, but I'd do it again.  And sue UGA this time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on December 31, 2009, 11:17:20 PM
Fuck 2009.  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 01, 2010, 02:50:48 AM
Well, the whole not eating thing went better tonight. Got her lit up on Metacam (painkiller) and she ate three tubes of Tasty Paste (critical care formula food for emergencies) and then the pig-out happened. She plowed through the veggie pile like a hairy buzzsaw. They never say no to the fresh stuff unless they're physically unable to move. So it's pretty much pig-outs from now until Tuesday so she'll have more weight on her for surgery.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 01, 2010, 04:20:57 AM
 :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 02, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
So, I have a question for you dog people.

My man-friend's (incredibly gorgeous) Siberian husky gets mad at him when he leaves the house for any length of time. She gets especially mad when I come over and then he and I go out for dinner or something. She expresses her anger by peeing in pretty much the same spot on the floor. She does it on purpose, as she invariably had just been outside before he left. She likes me, though is obviously a bit jealous. He works at home a lot of the time so I guess she's used to having him around. He was wondering why she didn't pick up on the fact that when I come over, he doesn't spend the night somewhere else, but I don't think that's happened enough yet for her to quite get that. Does he spend too much time with her? I mean, if she's so distressed by his absence, does she need to experience it more often?

So what should he do about the peeing thing? It's pretty much ruined the flooring, and I don't think it's great that the dog is feeling so much angst that she has to act out.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: dogbone on January 02, 2010, 04:19:16 PM
Not to go all Cesar on the situation, but I'd say that she doesn't like the loss of control. She needs to understand that he's the leader there and can come and go as he pleases.

You need to make sure that she doesn't transfer that angst to you. Do something as a group that she loves -- go for a walk or play at the park, even just have some treats -- and you should be the lead in that so that she associates you with good times/good eats.

Right before you ready to leave, take her on a walk to help drain her and get rid of some of the excess energy.When he/both of you leave, make sure that she's not crowding the door, circling you or showing her anxiety. Get her submissive -- sitting or laying down, relaxed, no eye contact before you walk out. We do this with our small, auxiliary dog, Dippy. We just stand in front of him, not staring him down, but not avoiding eye contact either. You have to be in his space a little bit -- not confrontational, but just sort of "hey, all of this is mine and I'll stand where I want to." When she gives it up, accepts that you're in control and relaxes, then turn and go. Don't make a big production out of leaving -- no "bye-bye" ritual or treats or anything. Just go. Lastly, take the activity from above and transfer it to immediately after he/you/both of you get home. Again, she'll associate positively after some time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 02, 2010, 06:00:49 PM
OR you could just try peeing in the same spot.




I know, I know -- everyone's so 'modern' nowadays.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 02, 2010, 07:26:26 PM
I agree with dogbone for the most part,,,she's not mad,,,she's marking her territory.  You spending time with her would be good,,,as would the walking.  I'm not all pack animal,,,make them submissive,,,alpha dog and stuff like that,,,domestic dogs live in families,,,she needs to know that you are now part of the family then she won't feel the need to tell you that you are in her territory by marking it...also you are gonna have to get the pee floor cleaned really really good or get rid of it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 02, 2010, 08:33:39 PM
Yeah, I think he's planning on replacing that section of the flooring before he goes to sell the house. It's laminate flooring, and it looks like a standard stock, plus I think he has extra of it somewhere.

The thing is, she *is* a pack animal. In so much that he drives her up to snowy Wisconsin once a month to let her run with a pack of other huskies. But yeah, I should spend more time with her while I'm there. She usually spends a lot of time outside because it gets warm in the house for her, plus there's always stuff to sniff and small critters to stalk.

I will pass on the advice, db. Thanks!

Oh and I don't believe I'll be challenging her territory-marking skillz at this point in our relationship, RA. Thanks, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 02, 2010, 09:18:02 PM
One cheap and dirty trick for when y'all go out is take a Kong and fill it with peanut butter. Then pop it in the freezer until it solidifies. I used to do that and K-Unit would still be working on that thing when we came home 6 hours later.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Tripper on January 02, 2010, 10:36:15 PM
Barrister would announce his displeasure by getting into his litter box and hanging his butt over the edge then pee outside the box.  When we had mice, he would get all freaky and pee around the places they were getting in then stay in his cage looking very "alert."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 02, 2010, 10:41:18 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

He was ready to hand down a beating.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 02, 2010, 10:44:14 PM
We have a cat, Benji, who lives outside now because he wouldn't stop peeing on my husbands pillow..not while his head was on it but still...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Tripper on January 02, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
I set out barricades of sticky traps for the little fuckers and tossed them into a styrofoam cooler with water and dish soap outside.  Seriously, that's what the exterminator and instructions on the traps said to do; drown them.  Don't bother with the little traps, it's a waste if they manage to skip out of one.  Go for the rat traps.

They were getting in and out of the kitchen, so I laid the traps across the 3' gap between the cabinet and the wall which was the only way in.  Caught one every 30 minutes from 11 to 4a that night and used the red chemical gloves to pick the traps up.  One of them tried to gnaw through the thumb before I tossed him.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 02, 2010, 11:14:24 PM
My brother's four cats ALL stand on the edge of the litter box and pee over the side.  He knows that they do it because the caustic dust from the litter burns their sensitive parts, but his solution is a plan to build litter boxes with a raised no-litter 'peeing island' in the center.  Seriously.

My cat had the same problem (I think one of them figures this out, and the others learn by observation) but she also coughed a lot from the dust, so I tried different brands of litter until I found a non-dusty one.  The Fresh Step seems to work for us (which is a minor shame, as I prefer the Tidy Cat giant plastic containers for re-purposing), with no targeting shenanigans and no coughing.  She also doesn't track it around as much or fling it out of the box as much, although for the latter, especially, I have no explanation. 

She loves to dig, and when I clean the box and add new litter, she waits for me to finish so she can go to town on a new zen garden.  She won't 'decorate' it until later.  Crazy little monster.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 02, 2010, 11:18:25 PM
Does Fresh Step have a scent to it? I guess it would likely come in unscented, right? I hate scents, but my cat's clay litter with all its dust I think is just not helping her breathing issues shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-gMYD8iLx8
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 02, 2010, 11:36:36 PM
Fresh Step makes several different kinds, but I don't know if one of them's unscented.  The kind I get is mildly scented, not brutal, and I've gotten both the 'regular' and the 'multicat' versions.  I didn't really notice any difference between those.  Google . . . suggests you can get an unscented version, although, weirdly, maybe only in cardboard boxes instead the giant tupperware.  I'm not sure that's much of a problem, although in my experience the cardboard boxes always leak a bit.

The cat in that video looks and sounds to me (though of course I am not a vet) like it just purrs really hard.  Some cats purr so hard that they gag slightly.  Litter-dust problems usually cause pronounced coughing and sneezing.  The cat's basically inhaling finely powdered cement, which isn't good for its airway or lungs.  The dust also gets all over stuff near the box, which isn't great.  It's caustic and electrostatic and messy and can cause hazing on plastic and even glass.

A lot of clumping litters use bentonite as the clumping agent.  (I think some use portland cement and some use non-bentonite clay.)  Bentonite is a clumpy mineral that can be caustic but can also be hazardous because it can really stick to the cat's paws.  Then the cat licks it off, and it can clump up in their intestines and cause bowel obstructions or impacted anal glands.  Kind of sucky.  My cat has super-furry feet, but the Fresh Step seems to cling to her feet much less than the Tidy Cat did.

Bentonite actually has all kinds of cool properties that are good for other things, not that it's really relevant.  If you have a high-bentonite cat litter, you can press it (hard!) into a shape, and it'll keep the shape and can even be used to cast metal.  It can also be dissolved in water to make gels and be used to filter oil and god knows what else.  Weird stuff.  I think it's actually formed from volcanic ash.

Purring is awesome, though.  Truly an evolutionary marvel.  It's really weird that cats are the only known animals to use sound to stimulate tissue regeneration like that, although I once heard that some expert thought maybe elephants do, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 03, 2010, 07:31:21 AM
Does Fresh Step have a scent to it? I guess it would likely come in unscented, right? I hate scents, but my cat's clay litter with all its dust I think is just not helping her breathing issues shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-gMYD8iLx8

Awww. I haven't seen a cat gulp that hard before when purring, but it's not unusual for them to do that. Does he do that all the time, or just after you haven't petted him for a while?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 03, 2010, 08:33:11 AM
She'll do it pretty consistently if I've been away for any length of time, but yeah really any time she gets the purr going and she's relaxed it'll happen. The gulping leads to a belch a few minutes later, which is sort of amusing as it often gives her this puzzled look on her face.

The part that concerns me is like when she has to open her mouth to breathe in. There's a point in the video, where I really start talking to her, she sits down at that point because she tries but can't breathe in. It obviously only lasts a second, but it's disturbing to both of us. The whole thing sucks because I end up feeling guilty that she's purring and often push her away just so she doesn't purr too much and stop breathing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 03, 2010, 10:18:50 AM
Yeah.  I used to know someone who had an older cat that was just like that.  The purring issues were disconcerting but didn't seem to bother the cat much and didn't seem to actually harm it at all.  :shrug:

It was pretty old, though, and had the runniest nose of any cat I've ever seen.  Slightly gross.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 03, 2010, 10:24:16 AM
She. Sorry, the name threw me off. Yeah, she does appear kind of uncomfortable/worried looking.

I seem to have lost my link for that site that had so much information on cats. I think it may have gone down with Geocities. Googling just brings up a lot of other people asking the same question, but no definitive answers.  Some cats actually start coughing, apparently. I've got an appointment with the vet tomorrow. If I get a chance, I'll ask about it, because it's something I've always been curious about too. My cat does it occasionally, and the cat I had before did it, but only when it was high on catnip.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Tripper on January 03, 2010, 03:30:53 PM
Cat litter is for cats.  We used unbleached Care Fresh, which is made from recycled paper so if he eats it there's no issues with mucking up his digestive tract.  SOP was to change the litter box in his cage every day so things didn't start stinking.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 04, 2010, 12:56:47 PM
Good luck with the surgery Stoat :shamrock: .  Bear goes in tomorrow for a rectal tumor.  The needle biopsy didn't reveal the dreaded crab, so at least we have that going for us.  $1.2K is the estimate.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 04, 2010, 01:59:50 PM
Ugh. That's ... expensive.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 04, 2010, 02:03:56 PM
Thanks, mang and big  :shamrock: back atcha.

I gotta be there between 8/8:30 - part of the route is Nicholasville road at morning rush. It's .... how do I put this .... a six lane deathmatch with 5 intersections all humped on top of each other. Going in there without any sort of chemical support will guarantee Current Traumatic Stress Disorder. DO NOT WANT. I'll hit Whole Paycheck on my way home for some miso to make soup with. That should take the edge off.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=nicholasville+road+lexington,+ky&sll=37.996666,-84.521644&sspn=0.067774,0.146084&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Nicholasville+Rd,+Lexington,+Fayette,+Kentucky&t=h&z=13
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 04, 2010, 05:03:39 PM
I'm about to box-up the cat and take it to be neutered. My pet problems are nothing compared to y'all's, but I'm still  :( :uncertain:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 04, 2010, 05:54:54 PM
Well. That was unpleasant. He didn't like the carrying case idea at all. I've never heard him howl and cry like that before. All the way to the vet, it was "Hooooow could you do this to me? I thought you were my friend! I trusted you! Why are you doing this to me?"

 :(

Now I have an hour to wait to make sure there's nothing else wrong with him  :uncertain:  :pray:

I'll never understand how people can stand the stress of having children.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 04, 2010, 06:25:43 PM
Scooter hates the vet.  It always sounds like she's being tortured.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 04, 2010, 07:18:08 PM
It didn't even sound like a cat. It was like a baby crying. Really unnerving.

Anyway, the hour has passed and no phone call - that means he passed the basic tests  :detta: :D
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 04, 2010, 07:49:58 PM
Quote
I'll never understand how people can stand the stress of having children.

Christ, I know -- I agonized every time I had one of my kids neutered.  But it's for the best.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 04, 2010, 08:28:11 PM
It didn't even sound like a cat. It was like a baby crying. Really unnerving.

Yeah that's what Artemis sounds like. It's horrible and I always worry a neighbor is going to be like "STOP BEATING THAT CHILD!!!" with all the noise she makes.

That they don't say that, well, doesn't say much for them.

Anyway, I am video happy lately and even though I sound like a moron, here's another video of the cat. This time, she's eating the Chia cat grass we got for Christmas. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfLDanyvF58) She's currently still very angry that it's in the bathroom and I had the nerve to close the door, keeping her out.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 04, 2010, 09:04:11 PM
OM NOM NOM NOM
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 04, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
Our late cat Eris made this really eerie moaning-howling sound in the car.  So sad.  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 04, 2010, 09:12:28 PM
Man, I just bought one of those Cat Chia Whatever things on post-Xmas closeout.  I didn't look closely at it -- I thought it was going to be a regular chia thing except designed for cats to eat.  I've done the grass-in-dirt thing a zillion times, and my cat always makes a horrendous mess.

Artemis is damn cute with it, though.  :thumbsup:  And putting it in the tub is smart.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 05, 2010, 11:28:21 AM
According to some goofy article I read, cats intentionally make baby noises to make you feel as guilty as possible.  How they know to make these noises is beyond me, but I'd be happy to investigate if someone wants to throw money for a study.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 05, 2010, 11:32:08 AM
Baby noises are generally baby noises, among mammals.  Humans think a baby hyena sounds cute.  It's one of those neoteny things.  And most housecats get their hormones nipped while they're fairly young, which helps keep them neotenous, sort of like the equivalent of a human 13-year-old but possibly less emo.


Because of a guest, I just had to move my cat's litter box to my bedroom.  The major downsides are dust getting into my computer and TV and such, even with low-dust litter, and the fact that she can jump from the box directly onto my bed, which she did last night, prompting me to say, "Don't walk on the pillow!  Don't walk on the pillow!"

Well, this will just encourage me to clean up and reorganize more of the house so I can figure out somewhere else to put the box.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 05, 2010, 11:48:11 AM
Emo cats.  Now that's scary.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 05, 2010, 07:14:03 PM
My Scooter the cat is psycho...he was running around the house last night like his tail was on fire,,,he ran out into the hallway and stopped so fast he slid into the wall,,,I believe in his fugue he had forgotten the dog usually sleeps over there.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 05, 2010, 08:38:33 PM
She'll do it pretty consistently if I've been away for any length of time, but yeah really any time she gets the purr going and she's relaxed it'll happen. The gulping leads to a belch a few minutes later, which is sort of amusing as it often gives her this puzzled look on her face.

The part that concerns me is like when she has to open her mouth to breathe in. There's a point in the video, where I really start talking to her, she sits down at that point because she tries but can't breathe in. It obviously only lasts a second, but it's disturbing to both of us. The whole thing sucks because I end up feeling guilty that she's purring and often push her away just so she doesn't purr too much and stop breathing.

Well shit, that's really eerie, because Pepper has been intermittently doing that when she purrs -- but the thing that's really started to concern me is the coughing/choking. She's always been prone to barfing furballs, and we'd give her the Malto/Petrolatum whatsis goo that all cats love the taste of -- except I think I scared her off it when she wouldn't eat it one day and I put a dollop on her nose (this has always worked with every cat previous). So now I'm mixing it into a small lump of wet food to get her to take it.

Since we started a rotation of goo, cat grass, hairball formula cat food, and (should be) daily combing, she hasn't been barfing, but she still makes that barfing sound about once a day. And I just realized she mostly does it in my office, or in the laundry room where the food, water and litter box are. We are perplexed. And we have no money to take her to the vet. She's eating, drinking and using the litter box just fine.

I've been paranoid I did it to her somehow by using Lysol in the laundry room, which they say is very bad for cats. Febreze, supposedly safe, Lysol, no. But I've been using Lysol for years, and haven't had any cats get sick or die from the kind of organ failure it's supposed to cause.  :uncertain:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 05, 2010, 09:10:43 PM
According to some goofy article I read, cats intentionally make baby noises to make you feel as guilty as possible.  How they know to make these noises is beyond me, but I'd be happy to investigate if someone wants to throw money for a study.

Nah, it's probably that cats who made that noise were more likely to get fed and live, so the trait was selected for.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 05, 2010, 10:18:28 PM
I talked to a vet about Lysol and cats, actually, years ago, and he said that while Lysol (and some other cleaners, especially Pine Sol) is pretty toxic to cats, it takes significant exposure.  He said he'd never actually seen a case of Lysol poisoning.  His opinion was that if the Lysol dries / evaporates before the cat comes into the room, then normal use of Lysol was probably fine, but don't spray it in the air if the cat's right there, and don't let the cat walk over a surface that's wet with it.

:shrug:

I was recently worried about this kind of thing because my cat suddenly started throwing up not just hairballs but her dry food, too.  And this is the Castor & Pollux 'good' food, so I was pretty bummed.  I have no idea what the problem was, though.  I dumped out what she had left and washed the bowl, which may have helped.  Who knows?  She's only thrown up food once since then, which means in about three weeks, I guess.

I hear that the most common / serious cat poisonings are from permethrin (usually either outdoor bug control products or flea-control applications meant for dogs and not for cats), Easter lilies, and Dieffenbachia (house plant).  After that, it's apparently poisoned house mice -- you put out poison for the mice, and then the cat finds the mice and eats them . . . .

I was surprised that anti-freeze wasn't cited as one of the more common sources of poisoning.  A lot of people don't realize how dangerous it is (or that it has a pleasant taste to many animals) and don't worry about a spill in the garage, etc.  And apparently some people give their cats aspirin or Tylenol when they think the cat's in pain.  That's apparently not a great idea, either, as you might expect.

Hairballs are, alas, perfectly normal for a lot of cats.  It looks and sounds horrendous, but they're built to do that and can put up with a lot of it.  I've been told it undoubtedly bothers us more than it bothers them.  I used to have a cat that was a hairball machine, despite being a shorthair (he was an anxious cat and a prodigious shedder and would eat any loose fibers he could find), and he actually barfed enough that the stomach acid was wearing down his teeth.  I had to brush him at least once a day.  He was put on meds meant to help him pass a lot of it instead, but that gave him impacted anal glands, which was not terrific either.  Especially for the vet.

My ex and I split up, though, and she wound up giving the cat away, so I don't know how that worked out.  He went to a good cat-fanatic home, so it probably went as well as could be expected.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 06, 2010, 01:24:00 AM
tl;dr (http://anderrhea.blogspot.com/2010/01/vigil.html)

I'm running the dishwasher because it's a very familiar household sound - dishes did need to be done, but fuck the dishes - and I've been running in and nose-greeting her with a fingertip when I see that she's awake. (We determined - with the vet - that abandonment issues were a problem so I'm making sure she isn't feeling left alone which would in turn increase her stress levels.)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 06, 2010, 01:26:29 AM
Pets are why $deity created fermented beverages.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 06, 2010, 01:40:19 AM
Very much agreed. :hug: I don't have any soothing words right now.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 06, 2010, 01:49:21 AM
All y'all are here. That's heart food.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 06, 2010, 02:02:03 AM
 :(  Lilia loves looking at the p1g5 holiday card.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 06, 2010, 03:58:13 AM
 :D Sweet.  :shy:

I missed two people because I ran out of stamps and then this bit of fun happened so posting got buggered - so those two get the Unreleased Version. One of 'em is a BC'r..
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 06, 2010, 04:22:57 AM
She says "CARMEN?!  Like in my DAY CARE???!!!"
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 06, 2010, 06:15:52 AM
tl;dr (http://anderrhea.blogspot.com/2010/01/vigil.html)

I read that and then walked away from the computer for a few minutes, hoping I could come up with something eloquent and comforting to say, but I failed.

 :(  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 06, 2010, 10:28:42 AM
I just got the p1g holiday card yesterday, actually, and was thinking about it a lot.  They're adorable, it's true.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 06, 2010, 01:02:46 PM
Pets are why $deity created fermented beverages.

No wonder I'm a lunatic.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 06, 2010, 02:25:27 PM
I don't think I've received a p16 Holiday Card yet.  But mail can end up in strange places in Ian's Pit Of Destruction.  Or maybe I get the uber special unreleased version.  Anyway, Bear's surgery went fine yesterday and he's pretty much the same but with a shaved ass and stitches.  Oh and I'll have another huge credit card payment due in mid-Feb.

:hug: and :moon: for Stoatse
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 06, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
She seems to be making slow progress. Thank BOB for a vet that is into pain management and mental well-being in addition to the physical treatment bit. Last one was the same way, but this new one is a little more enthusiastic about it.
I threw some Baaahston lettuce in the larger pen for the other two. She got a whiff of it and waddled out of the hideaway and made verbal demands.  :thumbsup:  Ate a few leaves of lettuce and then crawled back in to rest moar. I dumped a bunch of fresh bedding in her sleeping spot and replaced the hideaway with a flipped over "pot pie." (A cuddler like the one in the ferret pot pie pic) My reasoning is that it's nice and snuggly -unlike the wood- and way easier for her to move around her suite. Because we can't have hideaways against the walls. Unacceptable.  :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 06, 2010, 05:51:00 PM
Neutered cat is not amused.

When they brought him out, he was still howling. People in the waiting room were backing away. He howled all the way home, and I apologized to him all the way. When I got home, I put out a bowl of food for him, but he wasn't interested - he wanted out. I was afraid he might run off into the woods, never to return, but I took the chance and let him out so that he could feel a little freedom and maybe chill out a bit. He stayed out there for a while, doing a lot of licking (yeah, there), and then finally decided it was time to eat, so he came back in.

He still hates me, but he'll let me stay in the same house with him, it seems. The slightest noise makes him jump, so I've got it quiet in here - no tv, no radio. He occasionally comes in the room and lectures me, and then starts wandering the house again.

Petting is out of the question for the time being.  :harumph:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 06, 2010, 05:56:44 PM
He'll get over it. /no snark intended

The efficient hunter that can get food every day is a treasure.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 06, 2010, 09:41:45 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Got any catnip? Sometimes a good buzz mends fences.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 06, 2010, 10:59:56 PM
100% less emo! (http://anderrhea.blogspot.com/2010/01/update-lite.html)

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 07, 2010, 05:15:33 AM
O HAI I LEARNED HOW TO TELL TIME IN PRISON

ITZ 4AM

ITZ 415

ITZ 430

ITZ 445

R U GONNA SLEEP ALL DAY?

FEED ME SEYMOUR!!!!!

 :trance:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 07, 2010, 05:21:12 AM
Petting was eventually allowed last night, and once permission was finally granted, the petting became mandatory and was required often.

I don't normally let him sleep in the bedroom with me, because, well, look what time I am posting this, but I made an exception last night, so I think we're back to fairly normal terms now. I've also been feeding him a lot, because I doubt he ate in prison and that's probably earned me some points with him as well. I'll break out some fresh catnip tonight.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 07, 2010, 07:16:39 AM
Yeah, my cat prefers that at least one of us is awake to . . . watch for wolves, or something.  She normally starts waking me up around five, and once I finally get up, she curls up near me and goes to sleep.

I guess when I'm asleep, I'm keeping her up.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 07, 2010, 09:38:01 AM
That sucks.  My cat is perfectly happy to lay on one of our feet and purr all night, up to and including 3:30 pm.  (I must have really needed sleep that day.)  The laying-on-feet part is why she's not allowed to sleep with us.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on January 07, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
my friend had to put her kitty (which she had for 14 years) to sleep last night. the permanent kind.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 07, 2010, 11:35:13 AM
That's never an easy decision. Send a hug for me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 07, 2010, 02:29:42 PM
 :lol: @ Mo's cat and  :thumbsdn: for the friend's cat.
That decision fucking blows when you gotta make it. Plus I get intrusive thoughts that line out that it's a mistake and this is how bad it went and .... blah blah. I know what they are and can shut them down. Still.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 07, 2010, 04:49:50 PM
14 years. Ugh. I was worried the vet was going to tell me my cat might had Leukemia or something like that. We had started to take in a stray kitten a few years ago, and when we took it to the vet to get it shots, it turned out to have Leukemia and they put him to sleep. His name was Nacho, because he had a triangular head and he was a refugee from the Mexican family down the street. We used to speak to him in Spanish. He was fun. Anyway, that was hard putting him to sleep, and we had only had him a few weeks.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 08, 2010, 01:49:36 AM
Some time around 9 this evening, she decided she wanted to give up. She pretended to drink her water, and then ate a leaf of lettuce. She looked dehydrated so the water has been given twice now. I'll see how she looks in the morning. Pigs just don't like an easy passing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on January 08, 2010, 02:53:57 AM
Oh no!   :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 08, 2010, 06:23:35 AM
Poor Silky  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 08, 2010, 11:25:06 AM
Crap.  I really thought she was going to pull through.  Dammit.

:hug: to you and the rest of the herd.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 08, 2010, 01:41:43 PM
It's what they do, which is why I can't do it any more. After Carmen and Little Bit go - that's it for me. (Mike's not really into them so that's also part of it - but only like .10%) I just don't have the fortitude for this shit. I forced a bunch of Tasty Paste, meds, and water and that's all I can do.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 08, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
And sorry for cluttering up the thread with the pig dramz. Y'all are all I got.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 08, 2010, 01:57:36 PM
It's not cluttering, damn it. They're pets, and they're important.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on January 08, 2010, 02:17:21 PM
And sorry for cluttering up the thread with the pig dramz. Y'all are all I got.

:hug:












:needles:



Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 08, 2010, 02:21:38 PM
I don't see clutter.  I see  :love:  And you can post anything you want here.  :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Tripper on January 08, 2010, 03:40:55 PM
Big hug tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 08, 2010, 05:37:25 PM
Thanks y'all.
She's not in any pain - which is my only concern. I've checked. She's doing that mini-convulsions, then running thing they do when things start shutting down. I took her out of the pen so I could hold her until she's done checking out. I'm surprised she made it this far all in all.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 08, 2010, 06:12:27 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 08, 2010, 06:51:10 PM
We hung out on the couch and watched a movie I can't name. (I suspect pigs would probably be into tree-hugger stuff like that. I must be, I've watched it five times now)  :D
Absolutely painless, at home where she was comfortable, etc. It was the best way that she could have gone out. Let the others sniff her and they understood - as well as they can - that nothing "got" her. They're fine and are having a send off pig-out. The worst is over for everybody. I have no idea how we'll get into the frozen ground up at the farm tomorrow. Mike's stepdad is an arborist, so he might know a few tricks.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: First Post on January 08, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
 :hug:

Wish pigs had a longer lifespan, that's the only thing that sucks about 'em...

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 08, 2010, 07:19:51 PM
I'm sorry :(  The guy who's training me had to leave this morning to put his cat down, but she died on her own before they did it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on January 08, 2010, 07:31:17 PM
 :(

I'm so sorry.  I'm relieved she was able to pass away at home though.

And you never clutter.  I think I can speak for everybody here that in a way, they kind of feel like our p1gs too.
 
:(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 08, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 08, 2010, 08:27:35 PM
:(

I'm so sorry.  I'm relieved she was able to pass away at home though.

And you never clutter.  I think I can speak for everybody here that in a way, they kind of feel like our p1gs too.
 
:(



They totally are.  :)

we're at a steak joint having a people-out. The ladies had a pig-out of their own. I piled a ton of stuff on their platter and thought I might have really overdone it. Took a bath and when I got out -everything was gone except a couple of carrots. Obvs I should be worrying about other things in the hands of the less the less capable.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 08, 2010, 09:14:35 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 08, 2010, 09:39:17 PM
 :rose:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 09, 2010, 03:10:46 PM
sorry
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: dogbone on January 09, 2010, 05:28:31 PM
I thought you said that Mike's dad was an arsonist. For a minute I was pretty confident that he could get the ground thawed.

You're a good mom to our p1gs, Stoat. We love that about you.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 09, 2010, 07:05:53 PM
I used a pick axe. It was a watershed moment in self-discovery. I found that I am disturbingly good with a pick axe. I don't know if I should be proud of that or if everyone else should be afraid.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: dogbone on January 10, 2010, 09:50:39 PM
I can't speak to your pride, but I'm definitely afraid...as well as moderately aroused.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 10, 2010, 10:16:26 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 10, 2010, 10:32:59 PM
:hug:

And in the settings file, role=Archeologist.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 11, 2010, 04:34:54 PM
 :(

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 11, 2010, 05:33:01 PM
Y'all are way more awesome than I deserve.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

The remaining two have been taking advantage of the situation. I feel guilty if I come home empty-handed so the treats have been rolling in steadily. Today was dandelion greens.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on January 29, 2010, 10:36:45 PM
Tonight we had a couple and their son over for dinner. When they got here the little boy was completely surprised to see that we had a bird in the living room (he has been here several times before but for some reason it was a surprise). He went over and talked to Dagney (my 13 year old 'tiel that I hand fed as a baby) and she bitched him out, as usual.

During dinner Eman finished before everyone and asked to be excused - that is normal. He went over an wanted to change DVD's - also normal. I asked Rog to go and help him out (the TV is right by her cage) and when he stood up from changing DVD's he glanced in her cage.

She was on the bottom - gone.

My little girl is gone. And she is the last. When we brought Elliott home from the hospital 3 years ago we had 2 'tiels, a rabbit, a canary and four finches. They are all gone.

In the last 3 years I have lost 7 pets.

The broken pieces of my heart have broken. I just recently told Rog that I was ready to get a new rabbit - thinking of adopting one after Easter when all of the Easter Bunnies are abandoned.

But I don't think I can do that now. It is just too much. I managed to shut my reaction down because we had guests - so I have a major breakdown coming up soon. I wonder when it will hit?

Sorry to spew this all over. Why do we do this to ourselves?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 29, 2010, 10:40:39 PM
Because love needs to be shared. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 29, 2010, 10:42:54 PM
 :shrug: :hug:

We're down to two pigs now, and they're definitely the last. I can't do it any more. :bitzero: is pretty level about it, but I just lose my shit. I love seeing them in the morning, and getting greetz when we come home, and just having them around as they go about their pig business - but it's just too much every time one of them goes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 29, 2010, 10:47:49 PM
 :(
I'm so so so sorry.  We had a bird when I was too young to really remember, and rabbits always pee on me so I never wanted one but I've had cats galore and dogs.  Losing one is so so hard but having them is way worth all the hard.  I would never dream of not sharing my life with non-people people.  They fill so many places in our hearts, I can't imagine what it would be like without them.  I wouldn't want to try.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 29, 2010, 11:04:18 PM
Quote
In the last 3 years I have lost 7 pets.

Whoa.

 :(

The thought has crossed my mind recently that I should get another cat, so in case something happens to this one, I won't be so crushed.

*he hops in my lap and starts purring*

 :uncertain:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 29, 2010, 11:48:45 PM
:sad:

Every time I think, My next cat will have to be a shorthair breed, I get all munged up.

I wouldn't want a new one right away, but I'd still want a new one.  I don't think it does any disrespect to the ones that have come and gone.  I think the best thing to do is to consider how much better off our pets are for having been in our company.  My cat is happy most of the time, almost never uncomfortable or cold or wet or scared or very hungry.  She's clean and in good health.  She loves attention and gets a lot of it.

There are trade-offs, but the benefits are enormous, for both of us.  I hate to consider her mortality -- and hate to think how unhappy she'd be if I went first, for that matter -- and I dread the misery of her going.  But it's worth it.

vox, your pets are lucky to have you, and vice versa.  The timing sucks, and helpless mortality sucks, but having a pet is good.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 29, 2010, 11:58:09 PM
that's awful. i'm very sorry for you.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TehPnuk on January 30, 2010, 01:09:29 AM
Sorry to spew this all over. Why do we do this to ourselves?

Ask one crazy in our local atheist group and he'll tell you we do it because we like having slaves. ><

I hate that guy.

We do it because animals are fun, loving, great to have around, and if we didn't take care of them, who would? I miss my cat and Liz misses the dog something fierce. I can't ever see that stopping me from continuing to be a pet owner. It's just who I am.

Massive hugs for you, vox. I'm very sorry to hear about your birdy.  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 31, 2010, 01:49:05 AM
Because love needs to be shared. :hug:

qft

I know how heartwrenching it is. Steve says he got the turtles because he just couldn't take losing a cat or a dog every 5-10 years -- the turtles will likely outlive us.

But I do think little fur bearing mammals make our lives richer.

I'm so sorry. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 31, 2010, 07:14:41 AM
If you do the math on this, it's worth it. Add up the number of smiles, laughs, and the number of times your heart is warmed, and then subtract from that the number of tears.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 31, 2010, 07:17:06 AM
 :hmm:

I guess the vet bills figure in the equation too, but let's ignore that for the sake of my positive spin.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 01, 2010, 09:52:03 AM
We do it because animals are fun, loving, great to have around, and if we didn't take care of them, who would? I miss my cat and Liz misses the dog something fierce. I can't ever see that stopping me from continuing to be a pet owner. It's just who I am.

Um, what happened to Eris and Obie?   :uncertain:

We were talking about this at book club last week when I brought up getting something that would still be alive when Bo goes.  I was thinking maybe hedgehog, but then Phipps (the hostess) almost teared up as she said she didn't think she could handle loving something with such a short life span.  Stoat, I know it's the worst, but the thought of you without a h3rd makes me just as sad.

Seriously, do you think I could get a pass from the fellowship for a Valium scrip when Bo dies?  I've never lived in my house alone.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 01, 2010, 09:52:40 AM
Oh, yeah.   :eyeroll:

I'm so sorry, Vox and Trip.  So very sorry.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 01, 2010, 09:54:13 AM
Eris had cancer and we put her down back in Apr.  Then we got Kooky.

Obie bit the neighbors' dog and had to go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 01, 2010, 09:55:56 AM
 :thumbsdn:

 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 01, 2010, 09:59:06 AM
Here's a smile-jerker:  my Mensa candidate getting stuck behind the curtains.   :nuts:

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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on February 01, 2010, 12:23:31 PM
Eris had cancer and we put her down back in Apr.  Then we got Kooky.

Obie bit the neighbors' dog and had to go elsewhere.

I didn't know that about Obie. Bummer.  :thumbsdn:

Probably didn't get a fair trial either. The neighbor dog might have been asking for it.

Anyways, I always thought y'all were kinda kooky.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on February 01, 2010, 01:46:36 PM
Here's a smile-jerker:  my Mensa candidate getting stuck behind the curtains.   :nuts:

 :rollin: :rollin: :rollin:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: whidB on February 02, 2010, 04:46:07 AM
belated :hug:  :hug: :hug:

And I wish as much as anyone that death not be so confusing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 02, 2010, 10:03:35 AM
This here is a different topic:

I dread the day that Kooky misses the edge of the tub and falls into the shower with me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on February 02, 2010, 07:26:19 PM
My daughter was taking a bath and our cat Scooter came running in and jumped in the tub with her.  He gets in there to hide from the shepherd and he didn't know there was water in there.  He freaked out and it was way funny until my daughter started crying.  Scooter had used her shoulder as a step ladder to get himself out.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on February 03, 2010, 03:00:11 AM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 03, 2010, 11:09:38 AM
My daughter was taking a bath and our cat Scooter came running in and jumped in the tub with her.  He gets in there to hide from the shepherd and he didn't know there was water in there.  He freaked out and it was way funny until my daughter started crying.  Scooter had used her shoulder as a step ladder to get himself out.

Sometimes my cat gets up on the ledge when I'm in the tub.  I just know that one day he's going to jump in and I'm going to get the worst of it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on February 15, 2010, 08:03:26 PM
The shepherd is getting into something outside that smells like a combination of rotten fish, cows and pigstys.  I don't know what or where it is but I'm about tired of giving him a bath every night.  Looks like it's gonna be on leash only outsides for him for a while.   :puke:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on February 28, 2010, 11:25:20 AM
It was the damndest thing, but everything seems okay now though.

Pug #2 woke me up at 7:30 this morning because he was really spazzing out in his crate.  I figured he was having a weird dream (not unusual), but the ruckus continued too long to explain it away as a simple dream, so I got out of bed to check on him.

He poured himself out of his crate immediately as I opened the door.  He was excessively panting and drooling; his head was tilted to the right side - in fact, his whole right side seemed at odds, and he kept walking in clockwise circles and losing his balance.

I pulled him up into bed with me and just held and massaged him, and he burrowed under my covers toward my legs and peed my bed.  Ugh.  As I was throwing the covers off of me, he continued his drunken, circular walk and fell off the bed.  Poor guy.  I have hardwood floors.

I kept comforting him and within 20 minutes he seemed back to his normal, Eeyore-like self.  He happily ate his breakfast, normally navigated down the deck stairs that lead to the backyard, and currently he's acting like nothing ever happened, so.... After checking out Google, I'm inclined to believe he either had a seizure or a stroke, but a trip to the emergency vet is financially impossible right now. 

I suppose I'll just keep an eye on him today and hope this was just a fluke occurence.  I've never seen anything like it.   :hmm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 28, 2010, 12:14:29 PM
How old is he? That sounds a little bit like "old dog vestibular syndrome" which happened to our dog a while back. The head cocking is apparently a diagnostic. It looks a lot like a stroke but is not, and they can completely recover, as he apparently did, and it can happen again ( :( ). The vets have no idea what causes it or how to prevent it. It can last a few days in which you've got to work to keep the dog fed and hydrated. Poor things.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on February 28, 2010, 12:24:52 PM
Concur with that.  If not for the head tilt, I would've said 'stroke', but the head tilt says to me 'inner ear'. 

:shrug:

I don't know much about dogs, but Hmof sounds right to me.  :thumbsup: for complete self-recoveries.

My cat spazzed out continuously from about 9 PM to midnight last night and then around 4 AM to 6 AM this morning, but I suspect that the diagnosis is simply:  cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on February 28, 2010, 01:39:53 PM
Be well, Pug #2.  :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on February 28, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
He turned nine years-old back in November.  A pug's life expectancy is about 12 years, so he's getting up there.

It could be vestibular disease, yep.  Pug #2 has always had a problem with ear infections, which I read could help set it off.  How long did your dog suffer with it, Hmof?  I'm grateful mine recovered so quickly - even faster than it took to wash and dry the bedsheets, ha.  I need to clean up his crate now.  The pillow in it is wet, but I can't tell if it's drool or pee.

Right now he's chilling on his big pillow here in the living room.  He's got a slight limp from falling off the bed and seems happy to have the extra attention today, although pug #1 is awfully envious.  Otherwise, everything seems back to normal.  His balance, appetite, and water intake are good.  My vet's office is less than five minutes away, so if it happens again this week, I'll zip him straight there while he's still displaying symptoms.  I just hope there'll be no peeing in the car.  I hope for that regardless of the passenger, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 28, 2010, 10:30:18 PM
Ok well my dog was over 14 when it happened which is possibly why it was a lot worse. She was effed up for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on March 01, 2010, 02:46:29 PM
Cadbury used to do that.  It was diagnosed as roller bunny syndrome which was vestibular.  After the bout was over, Cadbury was pretty, oh well, give me a banana and all was good with the world.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on March 01, 2010, 03:19:19 PM
Roller Bunny Syndrome would be a great name for a band.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 03, 2010, 12:27:36 PM
Both dogs pooed EVERYWHERE and peed ALMOST EVERYWHERE today. Can't get the smell out of my nose.
At least they're outside dogs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on March 06, 2010, 05:05:02 PM
It's time to clip my shepherd's nails and the clipers are suspiciously missing
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on March 06, 2010, 07:51:33 PM
It's time to clip my shepherd's nails and the clipers are suspiciously missing
I've got clippers with a replaceable blade. The cats tried hiding the new blades once, and learned that I don't care if it's a little dull.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on March 06, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
I always just used a regular people nail clippers on my cats but the dogs have nails like hoofs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on March 08, 2010, 04:46:32 AM
We have to take Scooter into the vet to get hers done.  Both of us holding her down + muzzle still equals fail.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on March 08, 2010, 08:27:12 AM
Is Scooter a cat or a dog?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on March 08, 2010, 01:19:10 PM
dog and coyote mix.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on March 08, 2010, 01:26:45 PM
We have a cat named Scooter and who the hell mixes dogs and coyotes?  That's just asking for it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on March 08, 2010, 01:37:04 PM
Monk's stepdad had a wolf/shep mix. He was a sweetie. On the flip side, the jackasses down the road from Og's uncle had one that went after cats and children. I think a lot of it comes down to the owner, but acknowledge that sometimes there are simply bad dogs as well. Just like there are bad people. Genes mesh too many of the wrong flags together and BOOM, you get a monster. Fortunately that doesn't happen too often.

That box Pinhead was rockin? Definitely a Punnett Square. Those things are dangerous. BIG CRAZY, little crazy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on March 08, 2010, 06:59:49 PM
i've been thinking about getting a dog. i think i changed my mind and am going to get a capybara.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on March 08, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
Capybaras live in watersheds and marshlands. You'll have to move to Florida or one of the Gulf states.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on March 08, 2010, 07:10:29 PM
i've been thinking about getting a dog. i think i changed my mind and am going to get a capybara.

I think a rabbit would be a good pet for you.  And if it didn't work out, I know someone who could give you some recipies
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on March 08, 2010, 07:37:18 PM
Capybaras live in watersheds and marshlands. You'll have to move to Florida or one of the Gulf states.

oh, no, you're quite wrong. i'll also need to have a small cape made.


(http://www.thetick.ws/images/speak.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 08, 2010, 07:58:41 PM
You might be happier with a mara (Patagonian cavy) than a capy.  Capies get really big, like rottweiler-big and bigger, and they definitely want a pool to swim around in, and they can be messy to clean up after.

That thing doesn't look anything like a capybara.  I've attached a more representative picture of capybaras.



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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 08, 2010, 08:01:54 PM
Everything I know of capybara I learned from Bill Peet (http://billpeet.net/pages/capy.htm).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on March 08, 2010, 08:16:10 PM
That looks similar to a nutria, only without the tail. Maybe better looking than a nutria.

Stream of consciousness: reminds me of an Insomniac (http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=25576&title=new-orleans-nutria)episode.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on March 08, 2010, 08:17:49 PM
You might be happier with a mara (Patagonian cavy) than a capy.  Capies get really big, like rottweiler-big and bigger, and they definitely want a pool to swim around in, and they can be messy to clean up after.

That thing doesn't look anything like a capybara.  I've attached a more representative picture of capybaras.



not mine. he'll learn to clean house as well as speak to the united nations to solve political strife.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on March 08, 2010, 11:24:58 PM
Everything I know of capybara I learned from Bill Peet (http://billpeet.net/pages/capy.htm).

CAPPYBOPPY! Didn't even have to click. What a fun family.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 08, 2010, 11:33:32 PM
Here's an article about Bill Peet (http://www.michaelspornanimation.com/splog/?m=200802&paged=2) at a website called Michael's Porn Animation.

:spittake:

Oh, wait: Michael Sporn animation. Never mind
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on March 09, 2010, 06:43:02 PM
I think I've showed y'all the video of my cat and her breathing ish, right? Well, after she swallows all that air she tends to belch. Usually it's just a little burp, noticeable and sort of freaks her out, but recently it's been getting louder. Like vocal. Soon she's going to be little Homer Simpson over here.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on March 09, 2010, 07:44:06 PM
I was kind of startled when I saw that video, because our cat Pepper has been doing the exact same thing. I meant to ask you if you'd taken her to the vet or not, but I am getting more and more scatterbrained lately.

I'll tell you what the process has been for us to figure out what's going on:

She's always had problem with hairballs, but we'd give her some of that Petromalt once a week or so, and she'd pass the hairball. She makes that horrible wretching sound when she's trying to get a hairball out, and sometimes she produces, sometimes not. I've had cats before that had hairball trouble all their lives and that was it, no other problems.

So now we're not sure what's come first, the weird purring and burping/swallowing thing, or that her breathing is a lot more rapid than the other cat's. She's also lost some weight.

Vet visit #1, said her heart and lungs sounded fine. Without doing an x-ray, which is $150, he surmised it that it could be a chronic inability to digest hairballs, OR that she has asthma.

Apparently cats have asthma now.

We gave her hairball treatments about 3 times a week, mixed into canned cat food. It seemed like she'd be fine for a couple days, then start coughing again, but not actually throw anything up. The weird purring thing was intermittent.

S got worried one night as the other cat was chasing her, and noticed that her breathing was really labored after running around. So, another trip to the vet.

Vet visit #2, we brought her in intending for them to do an x-ray, but we got a call a couple of hours later saying that she was putting up a struggle and they'd need to anesthetize her to do it. We said no... and came to pick to her up.

While examining her, they figured out she has tapeworms AND fleas  -- how we did not notice that, I'm not sure. I didn't realize they often go hand in hand and there's a "circle of life" involved.  :sick: I feel like a horrible mother.

We decided to try giving her steroids to see if it alleviated the breathing issues. They gave us a liquid that we're supposed to get her to take ... and when we attempted to do so, she flipped out. She's never liked being picked up or restrained, and this just sent her into a panic -- spitting out the liquid and managing to free herself from the towel we'd wrapped around her to keep her still.

She's still hiding from us a lot, and yesterday finally let me pet her, though she wouldn't purr.

SOOO... long story short, your kitteh's weird purring thing could be related to asthma, or maybe hairballs.  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 09, 2010, 08:14:12 PM
Man, that's a lot of stress.  On the humans, especially, I mean.

Here's hoping the kitties are OK.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 06, 2010, 03:48:57 PM
Welp. I have seen it all now (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/18/treatment-believed-first-ailing-gecko/), petwise. And I mean that literally, Erik works down the hall and I've met GirlieGirrl before ;)

Poor gecko really got nuked, though, technetium for the CT scan, then I-131 for the thyroid treatment. Worked! She's fine. She started eating on her own within a day or two of the treatment.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on April 06, 2010, 03:53:24 PM
OK, who put all the irritants in the air suddenly? That must the reason for my eyes
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 06, 2010, 03:58:53 PM
Hyperthyroidism is usually diagnosed with blood tests.  That's weird.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 06, 2010, 04:02:31 PM
tell your friend to send the bill here:

www.geico.com

hell, they may put her in a commercial and pay for it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 06, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
She's so cute and that story is so awesome, the internets would probably pay the bill if there was a site set up for her.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on April 06, 2010, 04:34:56 PM
She started eating on her own within a day or two of the treatment.

Heh, I missed the on the first time I read through that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 06, 2010, 09:33:00 PM
The cat didn't eat overnight and still hasn't really, except for some treats. Well, her morning glucosamine treats went down and came right back up 20 min later. This happened yesterday too. I am thinking it's a hairball because she gets those and the puking hasnt produced anything. She did eat a treat I crumbled into some melted butter, per an internet hairball remedy suggestion, and that didn't come back up that I can tell/have found. She didn't appreciate my attempt with the laxatone this morning. At lunchtime I came home to check on her and cleaned the litterbox, which she promptly befouled. Then she ran around with poo stuck to her fur. Ugh! At least she did poo, though. I measured how much food is in her dish...if it isn't decreased by the morning we may need to take a trip in the dreaded cat carrier to the vet.

She's still cuddly but less playful and more tired looking. Probably didn't help that while trying to get her to play with her ball-chain+string toy, I whipped her in the face with it. Accidentally!! Worst. Cat mom. Ever.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 06, 2010, 09:51:24 PM
Not worst.  Just most conscientious.  A lot of people wouldn't notice for FAR longer if the cat wasn't eating the dry food.

I just found out on Sunday that my cat is two years older than I realized.  I am terrible with time.  I have no money, so I dread the poor critter's sunset years.  Meh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 07, 2010, 09:41:34 AM
Bo continues to act like himself, eat, and fill the litterbox, but I swear he's getting thinner every day.  Maybe he has the opposite of my thyroid issue.  Last night his face even looked different.  Might be time to go see his girlfriend (the doctor who helped save his life).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 07, 2010, 09:57:54 AM
Is he drinking a lot?  Cats are more prone to hyperthyroidism the older they get.  I had one diagnosed shortly after I was.  There are only 2 meds for hyper, I was taking one, he was taking the other.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 07, 2010, 10:05:18 AM
He doesn't seem to be drinking more than usual, although I did catch him drinking out of his water bowl the other day, which is like seeing the elves come steal your socks from the dryer (he's very spoiled and likes water better in ANYTHING than in his bowl, so he drinks out of a short tumbler on the kitchen floor [yes, I almost left the "e" out]).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 07, 2010, 10:22:50 AM
Yes, my cat hates her water bowl.  If I put a bowl of water next to my food and let her approach it, she thinks it's my water, and then she wants it.  I add a little water to the canned food she gets twice a day to make sure she's getting enough.

She loves cat fountains, but the one I have started leaking near the top.  I've looked at a couple of ways of sealing it up, but I don't 100% trust any method to not leak bad chemicals into the water.  If I were going to buy a new one, I'd buy a nicer one, but they're expensive, and now I worry I'll come home after ten hours at work and find the thing's been leaking onto the floor all day.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 07, 2010, 10:29:15 AM
 :lol:  My cat just drinks out of the toilet.  I got tired of mopping up the water he would get all over the floor by tipping his waterbowl over.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 07, 2010, 11:10:03 AM
Yes, my cat hates her water bowl.  If I put a bowl of water next to my food and let her approach it, she thinks it's my water, and then she wants it.  I add a little water to the canned food she gets twice a day to make sure she's getting enough.

She loves cat fountains, but the one I have started leaking near the top.  I've looked at a couple of ways of sealing it up, but I don't 100% trust any method to not leak bad chemicals into the water.  If I were going to buy a new one, I'd buy a nicer one, but they're expensive, and now I worry I'll come home after ten hours at work and find the thing's been leaking onto the floor all day.

food grade silicone
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 07, 2010, 11:21:31 AM
She loves cat fountains...

I had to google that, which led me to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf_QR_PzUx4), which is probably how my cat would deal with it. Also, these are some beautiful cats.

Why are cats so weird about drinking water?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 07, 2010, 11:23:39 AM
hunter/prey instinct?

i had a cat that would drink water from a tall glass next to the bed. she'd put her whole head down in it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 07, 2010, 11:24:38 AM
Cat's got bilateral kidney stones. And a bladder stone. And a urinary tract infection. Possibly pancreatitis, but probably not--that test result won't be back til tomorrow. She got a shot of antibiotic, subQ fluids, and I brought home some antacid for her tummy. I think she's forgiven me already for the vet trip that included very loud dogs and a couple nosy ones too. ("What's that thing in the carrier? SNIFF" "Hiss!" "SNIFF" *me pushing dog away so as not to get a faceful of cat claw*)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on April 07, 2010, 12:44:03 PM
Are you going to have to put her on a prescription diet, or just go for the low ash foods?

All that prodding sucks. And then there's what they do to the cat, instead of just your wallet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on April 07, 2010, 01:40:33 PM
:lol:  My cat just drinks out of the toilet.  I got tired of mopping up the water he would get all over the floor by tipping his waterbowl over.

My son is the one who dumps the dogs' water bowl.  He also likes to stomp in it to get his shoes, socks and pants all wet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 07, 2010, 02:23:56 PM
 :knotty:

no more mr. brown eye. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/pets/detail?entry_id=56610)

 :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 07, 2010, 02:46:43 PM
They used to sell pretty much the same thing as 'license plates' back in the, um late 70s, I guess.  They were little vanity plates.  It seemed kind of funny, back then.


I looked into food-grade silicone but found a few places saying that it's still not really fit for constant exposure to foodstuffs until it's really super-duper cured, which can take weeks.  Seemed awfully vague, and I don't want to poison my cat.  I also saw a self-described expert site that recommended silicone aquarium sealant for applications that would be wet continuously.

Food-grade silicone is probably safe enough.  I'm just kind of nervous after reading too many warnings.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 07, 2010, 04:50:25 PM
I just left my shepherd at the vet. Seems that his innards are all blocked up by tin foil and he has to have surgery tonight to get it all out.  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 07, 2010, 05:46:05 PM
:(

:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on April 07, 2010, 05:53:11 PM
 :uncertain: That much foil? Wow.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 07, 2010, 06:07:18 PM
It was enough to be too big to pass from his stomach to his intestine.  It started to try to go through and then got stuck.  So he is more plugged up that stuffed full.  Still way scary and he's gonna have at least a 2 week recovery.  And we were in the process of getting another foster dog (boxer), guess that will have to wait a little.  :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 07, 2010, 06:29:19 PM
that's too bad. good thing you caught it when you did, though. those type of things can turn really bad really quick.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on April 07, 2010, 08:08:39 PM
:(

:shamrock:

OMG   :hug: :shamrock:

And pdrake thanks for the Alice Cooper earworm.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 07, 2010, 08:24:53 PM
The vet just called and Jake came thru surgery fine but it wasn't foil, it was some canvas fabric with clay on.  ????
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 07, 2010, 08:26:46 PM
sounds like drop cloth for tile people.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on April 07, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
Poor little doggie!  I'm glad he came through all right.

Take pics when he wears the cone of shame later, k?

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 07, 2010, 08:38:38 PM
oh, definitely . . . .

(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7031/oobcoller.jpg)

i'm glad he's okay, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 07, 2010, 11:06:28 PM
The vet just called and Jake came thru surgery fine but it wasn't foil, it was some canvas fabric with clay on.  ????

Good news! Hope his recovery goes smoothly.


The cat still hadn't eaten when I got home from class tonight. I gave her a spoonful of Fancy Feast mixed with water (she doesn't get wet food but VERY rarely) and she was like "YAY" and I was like "YAY" and then she was like *sniff* *lick reluctantly* and I was like "YAY" and she was like *puke* and I was like ":("

I left the food on the plate on the floor and 10 min or so after she threw up I heard her in there eating. I tried to not pet her in the hopes that maybe if she won't purr (remember her weird purring?) she won't throw up. Who knows, couldn't hurt? So yeah it's been over an hour now and that 1/3 spoonful of food is still in her tummy. Yay! I guess we'll see. She is due for another dose of the famotidine, but I'm scared to risk it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 07, 2010, 11:38:11 PM
:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 07, 2010, 11:39:40 PM
Oh, pdrake, all day at work, I was struggling to keep from rubbing my eyes, which itch and burn and sting thanks to the hayfever.  My clerk suggested an elizabethan dog collar.

It wouldn't work as well on a human.  I wouldn't be able to see, and walking to my car in the pouring rain would be awfully awkward.  Possibly drowny.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on April 07, 2010, 11:42:19 PM
Why is OOB in a collar?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 08, 2010, 12:36:03 AM
it's a very, very old fark photoshop from a forum thread request. 6/24/05

can't remember the context, but that pic sticks out in my mind anytime someone mentions a collar.

i still think i'm a newbie there because most of my online friends are members much older than me. then i think, WTF? i joined almost 8 years ago and have kept that up. that's almost as long as my longest relationship. i need to get out more.  :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on April 08, 2010, 01:56:13 AM
Great news MBM.  I'm glad Jake is alright!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 08, 2010, 07:56:40 AM
Thanks everybody.  I'm hoping Jake won't have to do the collar.  He's kind of big for that.   I don't think he could get thru doorways with one on.  But either way, I will take pics and post them.  You might get collar.  You might get belly sutures.   :thumbsup:

eldiem, something staying down is always good.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 09, 2010, 09:20:22 AM
I'm really happy about the severe allergy attack I'm having right now because I just had to clean up after the puppy, who managed to crap IN HIS FOOD BOWL. Also everywhere else.

She OWES ME damnit
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 09, 2010, 01:56:45 PM
That's... really gross.

MBM, how's Jake?

Artemis ended up having fruitless (almost) surgery yesterday. I was really hoping it was a hairball or something stuck in her intestine. That sounds weird to say it, but at least it would've been fixable while they were surgery-izing my baby. Instead he noticed inflammation and took biopsies all over, hopefully to get a diagnosis. Inflammatory bowel disease is not at all uncommon in cats, especially her age. That's not curable, but it is treatable, so hopefully that's all it is. There's also a chance that it's some kind of lymphoma, and that wouldn't be great. The vet said she was being quiet this morning, and probably in pain. She vomited overnight, hopefully due to pain and not this intestinal/gastric thing. She got some more pain meds and started to look like she was feeling better. They want to keep her again tonight, so I'll be visiting her in a couple of hours. They don't want her to go home until she is eating and not vomiting, which I am all for.

I made a bit of an ass of myself yesterday at work. Firstly I was useless at work, then they call and say they want to do surgery, and I burst into tears on the phone because I hadn't said a proper goodbye when I dropped her off. I mean, I was sobbing crying. I was filling out forms and distracted and when the tech came out to get her she talked to me briefly and just took kitty in the back. When I was hmm... maybe 16? our dog, Ashes, had something similar going on. They thought intestinal blockage or maybe he'd eaten foil or something so they wanted to cut him open. I was all like ok, whatever, he'll be fine no big thing they do surgery all the time, so I didn't make the effort to go back in and see him before surgery. While he was under, the vet called and said she found all kinds of growths inside his belly and said it would probably be best to not let him wake up. All of that guilt from not saying goodbye came back yesterday.

This whole thing is making me seriously reconsider my desire for human children.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 09, 2010, 02:11:22 PM
Jake's vet thinks he finally turned a corner this morning.  Thanks for asking eldiem.  Sounds like our fuzzy people had the same surgery.  Oh and it wasn't foil it was some kind of canvas material, if I haven't said already.  He was more alert this morning (he looked like crap yesterday when I saw him) and he seems to be in less pain than yesterday which is way good.  I will stop by and see him again after work today to see for myself.  The vet thinks if he keeps this up he may be able to go home Saturday.  I am doing regular updates on fb if anyone is interested, message me and I will give you my friend info.    :thumbsup:

Oh and by the way Jake also has a form of IBS that in dogs is called perianal fistula.  So we seem to have much in common pet wise.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 09, 2010, 02:19:16 PM
My old dog's having a chest x-ray and an ultrasound on her ticker today, and getting her teeth cleaned. We've been reluctant to do all this because she's seemed pretty fragile from time to time and general anesthesia is no joke. I'm kinda beside myself, particularly as I had to spend all morning cleaning up after the puppy. Verra bad mood. So I understand the whole useless at work thing, ldm.

Glad to hear Jake and Artemis are doing okay.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 09, 2010, 02:27:12 PM
I meant to ask Hmof, was there food in the food bowl when he (?) pooped in?  Cause that might indicat a problem that needs to be looked at.  Even for a puppy that is not normal.  Not that I want to add to your problems, cause I don't.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 10, 2010, 04:52:08 PM
Jake came home today.  No cone of shame but he's sporting one gnarley belly incision.  I'll post pics when I get a new airport usb.  Broke mine the other day.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 10, 2010, 08:50:06 PM
 :detta:  He's probably 1000% happier now that he's home.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 11, 2010, 02:23:49 PM
Woohoo! Go Jake :)

Artemis is still in the hospital. Despite them putting in a feeding tube yesterday, she is still vomiting. The vet called with an update around 1 and said she'd given her a teeny bit of food and 10 mL of water at noon and hadn't thrown up yet, which is kinda good. And she seemed perkier than yesterday. I dunno where she's getting all this energy from to be "perky," she hasn't ingested food in like 6 days. Anyhoo, I think the birdies miss having her around to taunt.  My apartment feels so... empty without her here.

:bummed:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 11, 2010, 04:04:13 PM
:bummed: :hug:

My old dog passed the exam with flying colors.

Puppy's all right - he just has no space in his ex pen so if he can't control himself he's got no choice. I guess crate training - we're doing it rong
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 11, 2010, 04:19:57 PM
:shamrock: Artemis
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on April 11, 2010, 08:41:22 PM
:shamrock: Artemis
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on April 11, 2010, 08:56:25 PM
Ugh, poor kitty.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 12, 2010, 08:10:17 AM
Yes, please to be reminding me how much I love my poor baby, especially an hour after I've fallen asleep, when he's messing with the plastic bag on my dresser, scaring me awake.  And then again two hours later, when I hear him throwing up a hairball but have no idea where.  And then when I finally drag myself from the bed to the shower and he's mowing at me to get his breakfast.  When his bowl is full of last night's dinner.  Just keep reminding me.

And I totally feel ya on the human babies, LDM.  I'm for step-children who sleep through the night who will eventually give me grandbabies.

Where's the :coffee:?

And I think he must have been messing with the bag again, because I remember throwing it...somewhere.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 12, 2010, 10:21:06 AM
I'm on a make yer own miso bender. In the reviews of a necessary product - I found something that apparently cats go bananas over. It could be an option to encourage Bo to eat moar, plus he could consider himself a bit of a food snob at the same time.

Bonito flakes. (http://www.amazon.com/Nishimoto-Shaved-Bonito-Flakes-Packets/dp/B000F5DRVO/)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 12, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
Quote
Just keep reminding me.

Yes, my cat does all of these things lately, too, plus shedding like a MONSTER lately.  A whole family of monsters.  I can brush her for ten minutes and remove enough loose fur to build a second cat . . . and then pull wads of loose fur off her until she gets annoyed.  It seems like 60% of her metabolism must be currently devoted to producing fur.

I'm attributing this to Shedding Winter Coat syndrome, so it had better not run more than a couple more weeks.  Her fur gets to be as much as 4" long (seriously) and is fine enough to float about on the faintest air currents, so it gets all over everything.  I can't vacuum the walls twice a week and keep my sanity, much less wash the blankets and pillow case every other day.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 12, 2010, 10:04:50 PM
Yeah, cats are the greatest.

I love when for some reason I either forget to make sure she can't see the bottom of the food dish or if I take her food away on purpose. She makes an absolute pest of herself while I'm trying to sleep if this happens. She'll play with things or climb in the closet, which I hate, or she'll climb up and down off the bed or find something to chew on or play with that makes noise. <3

Recently she's become incredibly aware of when I wake up, even if I don't get up, and she begins to pester me then. Especially if the bf is here, she'll start meowing loudly and sadly until I end up throwing some article of clothing her way and she runs to the window. Sigh.

The vet got the biopsy results tonight and called to tell me that it was consistent with inflammatory bowel disease, and they'd keep treating her as they have been. She is keeping food and water down via the feeding tube now, no vomiting since Sunday morning. Last night she was even so feisty as to fight the vet tech to the point that she couldn't get a blood pressure reading. (The vet was naturally ecstatic about this.) Really hopeful that she will come home tomorrow. They wanted to transition her from IV to oral meds before she comes home, of course, and now that she's keeping stuff in her tummy, that's possible. She will still have the feeding tube when she comes home, and that's sort of terrifying, but also doable. Once she gets over this acute episode I think we are going to have to go extreme with her diet. They'll want to try a protein she's never had before, either duck, rabbit, or venison, or maybe something else. It's okay, she'll be better for it. Maybe she'll even lose weight!

Tomorrow is her birthday, so I really hope she comes home...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 13, 2010, 12:25:09 AM
:shamrock:
:shamrock:
:shamrock:
:shamrock:
:shamrock:
:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 13, 2010, 08:25:13 AM
eldiem  Hope Artemis gets to come home today *fingers crossed*.  I think I mentioned Jake has a form of IBS called perianal fistula.  It causes open sores on his tuchas.  What kind of meds are they gonna do for your kitty, do you know?  Jake is also on a one protein one carb diet.  It's expensive as hell but he's way worth it.  He does either fish and sweet potato or venison and sweet potato.  Dick Van Patton brand.
I used to have a cat, Gumby (my baby) who would wake me up like an alarm clock.  I could tell him what time I wanted him to wake me up in the morning and he would.  I don't know how but I think he was part hoooman.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 13, 2010, 09:16:13 AM
My sister, who waits on two tiny minions of Satan with appetites for destruction, and I are working on the Cat Commandments.  My contribution is "Cats will puke on everything you love"; hers is "Cats will break something precious to you."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 13, 2010, 10:14:24 AM
How about, "Cats will go out of their way to step (walk) on you"?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on April 13, 2010, 10:17:32 AM
We're still trying to figure out how an 8 pound cat can exert 20 pounds of force without gravity assist.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 13, 2010, 11:11:46 AM
Cat gravity!  Biz and I used to talk about that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on April 13, 2010, 02:40:05 PM
I'm glad to hear Artemis is doing better, eldiem. I know what a worry it is. :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 14, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Thanks y'all.  :love:

Kitteh came home today. She is ... conflicted. On the one hand she likes me and I'm not the vet so she purrs when I touch her. On the other hand she wants very little to do with this feeding tube business, but I don't have much of a choice but to use it to get meds and food in her, so she likes to try to get away from me.

Her food is a "novel protein/carbohydrate" diet--rabbit and green pea. Delish! She ate a little bit out of the dish and I was like OMFG THAT IS SO AWESOME KEEP DOING THAT and that's when she stopped. Sigh. So I had to tube-feed the rest. She's supposed to be eating a 5.9 oz. can and a third a day, and I have to mix that with water to get it into the tube, so we're talking about a lot of volume here, in my opinion. I mean, this is a cat who used to eat less than 1/2 cup a day total of dry food. But she's getting antinausea, antacid, and..an antibiotic? Apparently this one is used long-term for kits with IBD to keep intestinal flora in check and for some reason it also helps reduce inflammation in the gut.

She has to eat at least a can of food per day for three days before they'll take the food tube out. Ugh. Ah well, gonna go try my first night with my baby post-surgery. Yay!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on April 15, 2010, 12:01:54 AM
That's a lot of food to get down her. Greyson needed almost that much, and I was in tears a couple of times from trying to get one more bit down him when he just "Did Not Want".

IBD bites, hard.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 15, 2010, 12:02:21 AM
:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 15, 2010, 01:01:33 AM
How about, "Cats will go out of their way to step (walk) on you"?

in bed . . .

i'm still deliberating a new pet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 15, 2010, 05:26:18 AM
Wow. That does sound like a lot of food to get down her, especially when she doesn't want to be eating at all. My ex gf's cat was on that rabbit and peas diet. I always thought the green peas was a bizarre thing to feed cats, but that finicky-ass cat seemed to like it.

Cats seem to have an easy life, but you know, it must be really hard for them in a situation like this. Like you said, conflicted. There's no way for her to make sense of this situation. Poor thing  :(

But anyway, congrats on getting her home! It's been like a week, hasn't it?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 15, 2010, 06:11:38 PM
It was 7 days, but "only" 6 nights. I am happy to have her home. She perks up every now and again, then i shovel more food into her and she gets kinda lethargic and gets this look like she is regretting overeating at the China Buffet or something. It's actually time to feed her again, she hasn't eaten for 6 hours.

Earlier, when I got home, she did that purring thing again. It's like she's gasping for air and then she gulps and swallows. Today when she did that it made her gag. :-(  She's on reglan to prevent vomiting. I have to say this feeding tube thing is like the best thing ever when it comes to administering medications to a cat. I found the trick to getting her to stay in one spot is to NOT use the towel I usually use for cat things, since it went with her to the vet and probably stinks. Instead I'm using one of my dirty bath towels because for some reason she finds them more comfortable than clean ones. Go figure.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 15, 2010, 06:29:05 PM
...this look like she is regretting overeating at the China Buffet

 :lol: I know that look. Personally  ;)

Did you ever get a chance to ask the vet about the gulping thing?

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 15, 2010, 07:15:36 PM
No, but I should have. I mentioned it to the tech, who seemed to think it only happened b/c she has the esophagostomy tube. When I clarified that it happened all the time, she was like, huh, that's not normal. Then I didn't see the vet afterward. I'll bring it up in our appt on Saturday. I'm wary b/c who knows what they'll want to do to fix it, if anything. Poor little girl has been through a lot!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on April 16, 2010, 06:40:40 AM
Earlier, when I got home, she did that purring thing again. It's like she's gasping for air and then she gulps and swallows. Today when she did that it made her gag. :-( 

That is just too weird. I've caught Pepper doing that a few times since we stopped the steroid treatment for asthma. She breathes shallowly most of the time, like she would when she's purring -- her breathing doesn't change between the two. We still can't figure out what the problem is, whether it's respiratory or digestive.

When we had her on the steroids (for asthma) her breathing was almost normal. No coughing/gagging. But since we also gave her flea treatment and a dewormer (long term flea/worm infestation can cause respiratory/digestive issues) at the same time, we don't really know what fixed what, if anything. :shrug:

It seems like the stress of being kept at the vet's, away from home, more often than not aggravates the symptoms they're having, to the point where any care the vet is trying to give them is useless. They're better off at home if the treatment can be given by "mom" or "dad."

Artemis will persevere. She knows you're trying to help her.  :happy:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 19, 2010, 07:31:40 PM
Jake has an appointment to get his staples taken out tomorrow afternoon.  He got creosote on his little bit of belly fur sometime today and I need to get it out so his Vet won't lynch me for being a terrible dog mom. 

How is Artemis doing el?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on April 19, 2010, 11:01:31 PM
yay for Jake gettin them staples out. Artie goes in on Thursday to get hers out.

But I fear I may have to take her in before that. Last night (sunday) she started throwing up again. Well, it was the first time I'd seen her throw up since the tube was placed. I fed her 35 mL of food via the tube and when I was done I left to go clean the syringes and what not and i come back to see my cat, looking moderately ashamed, amidst several small pools of the stuff I'd just put into her. Ugh. Poor thing. I was like, ok, maybe I just gave too much and she didn't get the anti-nausea stuff before. (I can only give the anti-nausea stuff 2-3 times/day, so there are times she can't have it before she eats.) I left her alone for most of the rest of the night, though I did offer her some food in a bowl before bed, and she ate a few bites and kept that down. This morning I decided I needed to take off work (long story short: I'm exhausted and have too much other stuff going on that thinking about work was stressing me out, plus no meetings or anything today -- a christmas miracle!) and I gave her food, sort of leisurely, after giving the Reglan. Same thing as last night, as SOON as I left to go wash stuff, she threw it all back up. I don't know how to get this stuff out of my carpet, btw. Anyway. I have been reading a bunch of stuff on a few yahoo groups for feline assisted feeding and IBD, so I used some advice and just gave a lot less. 20 mL. That's 4 teaspoons. I gave it to her over about 20 minutes and she kept it down fine. Hooray! 20 mL is not enough, though. I tried giving her some more before I left for school. I got about 6 mL in her before she just got too antsy and had to get away. At this point I was frustrated and upset and I had to go to school to take two exams. She kept that 6mL down, I think, unless she threw up under the bed, which would be SO AWESOME. Got home tonight and tried to give her some more food. I got 4 mL (that's less than a single teaspoon) before she fought and fought to get away, ran to the litterbox, poo'ed and then vomited. Seriously I feel so bad for my poor little kid.

She has IBD and I don't for the life of me know why they haven't given her prednisone or prednisolone yet. Maybe she just isn't bad enough yet.

TL;DR: Cat's still sick. :bummed:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on April 19, 2010, 11:44:54 PM
What's amazing me (seriously) is how fast peristalsis comes back in the animals. You just touch a human's intestines, and the damn thing freaks out for days.

Eldiem, if you're curious, ask. Most of them are willing to talk about why they do things in a particular way, if you listen raptly and flutter your eyes considerately.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 20, 2010, 12:56:35 AM
 :thumbsdn:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 20, 2010, 08:23:47 AM
We don't like sick pets!   :thumbsdn:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on April 20, 2010, 12:15:05 PM
Poor kitty :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 20, 2010, 12:22:13 PM
Dang, what a bummer.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 20, 2010, 12:32:43 PM
Yeah, jeez.  :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 20, 2010, 04:31:46 PM
Artemis is lucky to have you, nurse eldiem.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 20, 2010, 05:50:36 PM
My cat just got out of my lap and left a huge pile of fur on my pants. There's even fur on my keyboard :nonplused:

I've got a brush that worked well on a long-haired cat, but it doesn't do anything for him, plus, he hates it. He runs away and turns and looks at me like, "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?"

I guess vacuuming him is out of the question  :P

I wonder if a Van de Graaff generator would lift the loose fur off of him?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 20, 2010, 05:53:39 PM
Have you tried the Furminator? I haven't but I hear great things ...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 20, 2010, 06:13:02 PM
I have a gadget that looks similar to that, but I haven't tried it. I didn't think it would work on a shorthair.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on April 20, 2010, 06:14:57 PM
I have a friend that used to have 9 cats. I am highly allergic to cats. Doping up was a necessity to go to her house - but that is true of most anyone I go visit. She always has one of those "lint roller" thingies to remove cat hair, because - well - 9 cats.

Once I was attempting to use the roller to make a clean patch on the sofa to sit on. I quickly came to the realization that it was a lost cause. So I thought to myself - why not cut out the middle man and apply the lint roller directly to the cat. I chose Butch the "always in need of attention, slightly stupid because he ran a crazy high fever as a kitten" cat.

He arched into the pressure and it worked remarkably well. No where near as entertaining as I had anticipated.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 20, 2010, 06:33:44 PM
Have a Furminator.  LOVE IT!  It works on my shepherd, weimaraner and short haired cat (if I can get him to sit still long enough).   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 20, 2010, 07:26:02 PM
What actually makes the Furminator different?  I've owned a number of de-shedding tools that sure looked awfully similar but which didn't work all that remarkably well.  I've looked the Furminator over in the store and talked to people at the pet supply places a bit, but the only apparent difference is that the Furminator costs like five times as much.

Of course, half the problem is getting the cat to put up with it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 20, 2010, 07:35:26 PM
I'm not sure what's different random.  It gets the undercoat off of the shepherd which is where most of his shedding if from.  It's the only grooming tool the weimaraner will let me use on her.  I think because it feels more like petting than a pokey brush does.  The cat, he hates everything grooming wise so he just gets it if I'm already using it on someone else.  It doesn't pull the hair that's still attached if you use it properly and it doesn't cut cut the hair.  As for the price, yeah it's ridiculous but you can get it cheaper on ebay or the like.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on April 20, 2010, 11:22:47 PM
All the cat brushes I've ever tried don't really do what they should -- which is get all the way down to the skin. That get that coarser "top" layer of hair, but it's that finer stuff that ends up floating around the house like tumbleweeds.

A few years ago we'd used a flea comb on them when they had a infestation crop up. I noticed THAT did a pretty good job with that underlayer of hair, except it was too small and took forever to do a full body combing.

Then a couple of years ago the spring shedding was so bad I was desperate, and got the idea to try a barber comb on them, the kind that has fine teeth. They absolutely LOVE that. When Mom gets the comb out, they are both immediately angling to get combed. It's like a spa treatment to them.

It's really cut down on the amount of free floating hair in the house.  :detta:

Also, Pledge makes an awesome furniture lint roller (called the "Fabric Sweeper") I found a few months ago. It was $7 or $8 for two of them, so I was surprised to discover you're supposed to throw the entire thing away when it fills up with hair, which is extremely stupid and wasteful. It's got two velour rollers that you sweep back and forth, which work against each other to pull the hair inside a clear dome receptacle (that's also serves as the handle). But when it's full, you're supposed to throw it away.  :eyeroll:

So to get more mileage out of it, I took a box cutter and carefully cut around the edges to open the receptacle to empty the fur out, then I just took some strapping tape and resealed it. Still works just fine -- the velour rollers are self cleaning, so in theory it should work until they get matted down, or the whole box cutter/strapping tape process wrecks it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 21, 2010, 10:16:46 AM
:hmm:  I should look for that roller-sweeper thing, definitely.

With my cat -- and most cats I've had -- anything metal that tugs at their fur rapidly earns their strong disapproval, and after that they won't let me brush them for more than maybe ten seconds at a time, if I'm lucky.  I have a rubber dog-grooming mitten-brush sort of thing that my cat is more tolerant of, but it's not flexible enough to be too thorough.  Nowadays, most places just sell stupid gripper-dot gloves as grooming gloves, and they're total crap.  They used to sell the better ones covered in rubbery hooks.

I don't mind petting my cat for fifteen or twenty minutes wearing a stupid glove if it'll keep her from yakking up hairballs.  Neither of us likes that.  And my house is more insulated with loose puffs of fur than fiberglass.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 21, 2010, 10:43:09 AM
Bo LOVES to be brushed, but I have one of those metal bent-saw-looking things.  Once during an epic brushing session, I realized there was a patch of bare skin near his tail.  I immediately cursed myself for being a bad kitty mom and don't think I've touched the thing since.  I should try one of those barber combs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on April 21, 2010, 11:14:03 AM
I've got one of those metal bent-saw-looking things too.  Pug #1's undercoat is like fine goose down, and a regular dog brush doesn't work on him.  He never stops shedding.  I've yet to brush a bald spot on him, but it's not for lack of trying.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on April 21, 2010, 11:47:25 AM
Bear will molt twice his body weight in fur about eight times a year.  He looks pretty funny in mid-molt stage.  Kind of like the first DRI EP album cover

(http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=773167)

Not the best picture of it, but I doubt I'd ever get around to photographing my copy and coming back to this thread.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 21, 2010, 04:12:38 PM

Also, Pledge makes an awesome furniture lint roller (called the "Fabric Sweeper") I found a few months ago. It was $7 or $8 for two of them, so I was surprised to discover you're supposed to throw the entire thing away when it fills up with hair, which is extremely stupid and wasteful. It's got two velour rollers that you sweep back and forth, which work against each other to pull the hair inside a clear dome receptacle (that's also serves as the handle). But when it's full, you're supposed to throw it away.  :eyeroll:

So to get more mileage out of it, I took a box cutter and carefully cut around the edges to open the receptacle to empty the fur out, then I just took some strapping tape and resealed it. Still works just fine -- the velour rollers are self cleaning, so in theory it should work until they get matted down, or the whole box cutter/strapping tape process wrecks it.

Could this be applied directly to the cat?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 21, 2010, 04:21:58 PM
Quote
I've got one of those metal bent-saw-looking things too.

Me three.  It doesn't work very well on my cat, and she regards its use with enormous disdain and little patience.

The stupid thing, I guess, is that she'll put up with me petting her and stopping every three pets to yank out a tuft of loose fur.  That's what I mostly do nowadays.  It makes a huge mess, but she'll let me drag her a couple of feet by a stubborn clump so long as I don't do it constantly. 

I've known people who could put one hand against the cat to brace themselves and then just PULL a tight clump right out, but I've never had a cat who would put up with that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 21, 2010, 04:35:01 PM
My wife's dog eats poo.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 23, 2010, 03:05:50 PM
If your wife's dog eats poo and you have too much around your house, it would seem you have a built in solution.  And most all dogs, given the chance will eat poo.  You wouldn't understand, it's a dog thing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 23, 2010, 03:30:27 PM
I've had dogs before. Only this one has ever eaten poo.

NO YOU MAY NOT LICK ME NOW. UGH!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on April 23, 2010, 03:37:05 PM
That obviously did not come across properly.  It was supposed to be like "You wouldn't understand, it's a black thing."  As in, you're not a dog so you couldn't possibly understand.  And I don't believe that no other dog ate poo, you just didn't see it.  And I am NEVER wrong.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 23, 2010, 03:38:29 PM
:galm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 23, 2010, 03:43:29 PM
Oh, god, my ex's parents' dog (a truly unfortunate genetic mess bred from a German shepherd and a beagle) would eat ANYTHING, especially if it were inappropriate.  Dry cat food gave him horrendous, constant gas.  Nothing seemed to harm him, though.

Just that I know of, he ate:  socks and underwear out of the dirty laundry, dryer sheets, an entire bag of onions, a very old bag of eyestalk potatoes, almost an entire box of those huge overpriced money-raising-effort chocolate bars (and their wrappers), powdered laundry detergent, paper towels, carpet scraps, the contents of the cat's litter box, all sorts of random trash . . . . 

I don't remember what else, but isn't that enough?  Those people managed to lose roughly a cat a year (including one of mine . . . grrr), which they inevitably blamed on fisher cats (something of a Vermont tradition), but they had that indestructible dog the whole time I knew them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 23, 2010, 03:52:10 PM
Obviously in this case the fishers were framed.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 23, 2010, 05:50:00 PM
A fisher killed one of my cats and ... things happened that involved the use of firearms and illegal cyanide gas bombs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 23, 2010, 05:56:15 PM
Try this. Peeps I know who've used it say it worked. :shrug:

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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 23, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
i've never heard of fisher cats before. looks like a brown stoat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on April 23, 2010, 06:00:59 PM
oh, jeeze, they had to put a chocolate lab in that pic.

"dis taste like poo, man. why fo' you a feedin' me poo hmof? don't be hatin' cuz eyeza dog, dog!"
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 23, 2010, 07:00:39 PM
It's not impossible for fishers to kill housecats -- don't get me wrong -- but raccoons are your best bet.  Vermonters often also blame owls, which isn't impossible, but, again . . . .

By now, they probably generally blame coyotes.  Unleashed dogs kill deer all the time, but coyotes likely get the blame.  Of course, the coyotes up there are 50% dog anyway.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 23, 2010, 07:13:08 PM
It was a 30+ lb fisher. The rents have people who ... correct the problem each fall during certain seasons. The douche that lives across the road near the 'prot has cows. You'll probably remember the field. When they demise, he just tosses them in a pile and it attracts every opportunistic feeder out there. Fishers get fucking huge with an unlimited food supply. It's illegal to kill them, but, what nobody sees is nobody's business.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 23, 2010, 07:37:18 PM
Ugh.  Yeah, I've never seen one over about five pounds, and I think I only ever saw one twice.  I saw ten times as many foxes as fishers, and I used to see a raccoon at least once a week up there.  Big bastards, too.

I also saw the BIGGEST PORCUPINE EVAR once, with ADB.  The thing was like a laundry basket with quills and legs.  I know the quills are two-thirds of the volume, but it looked like if you'd shaved it, you might've still been able to ride it.  Thing was way up high in a tree when we found it, and we retreated to see if it would climb down.  We thought maybe it was a bear, and when it came down it just seemed to get bigger and bigger . . . it must've been much further up there than we'd been able to tell from the ground.

I also once stopped in the road at night for a big black dog that turned out to be a small black bear.  It got out of the way with sort of a Don't Do Me Any Favors attitude.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on April 23, 2010, 07:57:28 PM
In middle school I had a dog named Sunshine who ate the horse poop in the pasture, and then liked to roll in it. Then she'd come home and try to jump on people. At some point I think she was "given away."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 23, 2010, 09:10:39 PM
Try this. Peeps I know who've used it say it worked. :shrug:

I am enthusiastic about this concept.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on April 27, 2010, 03:15:31 PM
I saw an enormous ground hog in a vacant lot near my mom's house this weekend. He was sitting there happily munching on the newly emerging Kudzu leaves.

Was I surprised regarding the large varmint? NO, HE WAS EATING KUDZU!!!

There has got to be a way for me to make money off of this.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 27, 2010, 03:22:16 PM
Rent-a-Hog? Did you know the little buggers can climb trees? There was one in the back yard of the last lair we lurked in that we startled by accident and the damned thing shot straight up a tree! We stood there gawping at it like idiots. I couldn't stop myself from lecturing it about being a "ground" hog, but it refused to listen.

Goats eat kudzu. You could have a small herd of them and take them to places to, errr, defoliate problem plants. Plus, free fertilizer!  It's also edible (allegedly) as a cooked green. I think g-pigs can eat it as well.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on April 27, 2010, 03:25:46 PM
It might have been a wood-chuck. I am not sure. I am hard pressed to tell the difference between a ground-hog and a woodchuck at 25 MPH.

Goats are mean, nasty, sneaky creatures that look at you funny. And they stink.

A herd of G-Pigs would be less visible and more entertaining.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 27, 2010, 03:27:16 PM
They're all marmots. That said, I support your plan. But I think you're going to need a lot of marmots.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on April 27, 2010, 03:33:04 PM
How much ground would a ground hog hog if a ground hog hogged round ground?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on April 28, 2010, 05:34:08 AM
My cat woke me up this morning by licking my armpit.

I generally try to ignore his attempts at waking me, so as not to encourage such behavior. The armpit licking could not be ignored. I LOL'd. Ticklish.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on April 28, 2010, 01:05:24 PM
There's a fetish site for that if you're interested.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 29, 2010, 08:42:16 AM
My sister came up with another Cat Commandment:  "If you's doin' it, I's sittin' on it."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 01, 2010, 08:41:51 AM
How about, "If I can trip you while you are walking, I get bonus points."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on May 02, 2010, 09:16:41 AM
My cat has a billion.   :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 02, 2010, 03:00:07 PM
Cats and G-Pigs are the end game bosses of Real Life.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on May 03, 2010, 04:38:07 PM
This morning at about 3:30AM, my cat decided he MUST GO OUT. This is right in the middle of a terrible thunderstorm, and I try to talk some sense into him, but he MUST GO OUT. He starts in with the WOWRRRR voice, and rattling the vertical blinds on the sliding glass door, so I know it's getting serious and there'll be no sleep until I get up and open the door. I open the door, rain blowing in, lightning flashing, etc., and expect him to turn around and run back inside, but instead he shoots out the door like a rocket.

:shrug:

If I had known he was really going to go out, I would've squirted some shampoo on him. He's been smelling kinda catty lately.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 03, 2010, 09:39:16 PM
On the last day of February, I posted how I thought pug#2 had a stroke, and hmof mentioned it could have been vestibular syndrome.  The whole episode lasted about an hour and the little critter got better with no lasting effects.

About two weeks ago, it happened again in the morning, but this time the symptoms lasted all day, so I took him to the vet.  Axe noted it could be an inner ear infection, and that's what the vet wanted to rule out, so he gave me a prescription to administer prednisone and an antibiotic.  By the time we got home, Tazert was fine, but three days into the treatment, he got worse.  It was like he simultaneously had a stroke while displaying symptoms of Parkinson's and cerebral palsy.  That was totally weird to watch.  Pug#1 would lick him and nudge him to stand up.  When pug#2 would try to stand, pug#1 would lean against him to hold him steady, and then look and me with an OMG DO SOMETHING expression on his face.  I had to carry and hold Tazert up to drink, eat, and do his business in the yard for a couple of days.

Tazert's doing MUCH better now.  Today was the first day he ran from one room to another, and he just stood on his hind legs again, which is cool.  I taught the dogs to dance on their hind legs when they were puppies and I get great glee out of that.  Tazert was never much of a dancer, and he's still wobbly, but what progress!

Anyway, I've noticed how much closer we've all become lately, and how much better they are behaved.  I'll be the first to admit that I think my dogs are pretty dickish, but now we have a very loving understanding.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 03, 2010, 09:56:39 PM
You are a good dog dad, Mr. Face.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 03, 2010, 10:00:04 PM
Yeah, that.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 03, 2010, 10:14:30 PM
Awww, you have no idea how much that means to me.
 
:happy:

(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4339/tumblrl09sdk10tw1qz7z59.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 03, 2010, 10:53:12 PM
:( Yeah, they said it could happen again (vestibular syndrome attacks) -- so far we've been lucky and it hasn't.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 03, 2010, 11:38:29 PM
Isn't that the weirdest thing?  You've totally got to let your pet ride it out?

I had a shih tzu that lived waayyyyy beyond his years.  He lost his teeth, vision, and hearing but never had vestibular problems.  This was a first for me.

What really got to me is when Tazert would groan and whine because he was so dizzy and depressed.  I read that giving him half a dramamine would help but I didn't do it.  Both pugs are used to me cradling them like a baby, but flipping Taz belly up in my lap would make him more woozy, so it was best if I sat down on the floor and massaged his legs and neck in the position he was already in.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on May 04, 2010, 01:59:55 PM
Awwwww.  Just imagining the other pug (Socrates?) holding Taze up and worrying makes me smile and cry at the same time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 04, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
It's probably worth a vet checkup anyway -- it doesn't have to be the vestibular syndrome ... Poor pup.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 04, 2010, 02:45:53 PM
Totally unable to make pigs happy today. I cleaned the pen. YEEP YEEP YEEP! I refilled the slightly low kibble. YEEP YEEP YEEP! Checked water, it's fine. YEEP YEEP YEEP! Checked their h4y, that's fine. YEEP YEEP YEEP! I don't see any outward signs of ailment - but I will weigh them later at the end of the day.

Seems I can't make anybody happy.  :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 04, 2010, 04:09:44 PM
P1gs are tetchy little buggers, anyway.  I think they like bitching. 


After a year of various stupid I Know This Isn't Going To Work experiments, I finally fixed my cat's water fountain.  The problem was that the pump pushes water up against the inside of the housing (surprise, surprise), but the top of the housing just sits in place, with no gasket or anything, and so of course it leaks. 

Success came when I realized that instead of trying to seal that up -- without tainting the water or making it prohibitively difficult to periodically take the thing apart to wash it -- I could exactly fit a bendy straw into the pump's outflow tube.  So now the water flow is downward, into the overflow reservoir, instead of upward, into the bottom of the tank lid.

This is one of those fountains that's also designed with the filter after the pump, to guarantee that the pump gets horribly clogged up, so I need a fix for that, too.  It works, as is, but the water needs replacing more often, and I only give the cat distilled water (one cat with kidney problems was enough), so that gets to be a pain.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 04, 2010, 04:13:56 PM
Get one of those fabricy kind of bio filters used on fish tanks. It will trap all the crap and you can cut it to size. Fish are pretty intolerant of water contamination by certain chems - so the filter will be safe for potables.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 04, 2010, 04:29:31 PM
Yeah, that's a good idea.  I was going to use a piece of plastic screen as the pre-filter, but I probably wouldn't even need one.

The fountain comes with charcoal filters, but, uh, I tested one personally, and even after the recommended rinse-out period . . . you can really taste the charcoal.  That's a fail.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on May 04, 2010, 04:58:27 PM
my landlord/neighbor's dog barks a lot at nothing. i've read that it's called bored barking. maybe the pigs are bored.

i get a couple of these guys every year. i think the same ones come back every year. a couple of years ago i had a bucket sitting outside that had collected rain water. one fell in and drowned. that one was about 18". the ones i've seen this year are only about 12". about the same as last year, so i think they're the same ones. they live up in the roof somewhere.

(http://www.perrydrake.com/ringneck2.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on May 04, 2010, 05:02:38 PM
I have one something like that in my backyard. He has no tail though. He's barely alive - the cat has caught him twice. I thought it was dead the first time, but I guess it was playing dead. If I see it again I'm going to take him out to the woods where he'll have a better chance at survival. I also saw a chameleon the other day in the yard, which is cool, because I love lizards. Unfortunately, my cat does too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on May 04, 2010, 05:23:31 PM
i'm pretty sure it one of these:

collared lizard (http://www.southwesternherp.com/lizards/bicinctores.html)

beware, page has NSFL photos. :knotty:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on May 04, 2010, 05:27:28 PM
Oh, no, I obviously don't have one of those down here. The one in your picture looks like it has scales, whereas the ones you linked look more like skin. I'll get a picture of mine if he's still around. Or alive  :uncertain:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on May 04, 2010, 05:54:57 PM
Well, I always wondered what type of lizard that was. It's an Eastern Fence Lizard (http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+1006+0811).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 05, 2010, 11:06:06 AM
The big old dog's in for a number of procedures. She'll be anesthetized and will get her teeth cleaned and her hindquarters x-rayed. I'm kind of worried about what they might find in there. She's been kind of gimpy, but I'm more worried about the surprise-i'm-pooping-and-peeing-and-didn't-notice thing she's got going. She's real embarrassed about it, but she can't keep her sphincters in control much.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 05, 2010, 11:12:17 AM
That's not unusual for an older female dog especially if she's been spayed.  They have some meds that help sometimes but,
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 05, 2010, 11:25:06 AM
Uh-oh.

:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 05, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:

Yeah, poor Vyvyan got to that point and I had to do what I had to do. 7 ain't bad for a g, though. I like to think it was a quality 7.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on May 05, 2010, 02:05:34 PM
He was already ahead of the curve after he got that :detta: name.  Plus the added bonus of having you as his personal caretaker.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 05, 2010, 02:46:19 PM
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I like to think it was a quality 7.

The finest kind, let's face it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 05, 2010, 05:57:55 PM
Dog has survived procedure OK, no problems there, nothing they needed to tell us about urgently, so I think we're status quo.

We can give her DES for the incontinence, and that should help, but we're worried about residues getting into her poop which the puppy still finds a tasty treat. We'll see.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on May 05, 2010, 06:26:22 PM
 :thumbsup: on the prognosis.

 :thumbsdn: for the poopie treat visual.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 05, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Sorry. It really chaps my hide. I've never had a dog who did that before.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 05, 2010, 06:40:24 PM
I know I've said it before but that is not unusual.  That you have had dogs before and never experienced that thrill, that's unusual.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 05, 2010, 08:04:50 PM
Pug#1 eats pug#2's poop, but I don't get the appeal.  I tried some and it tasted horrible.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 05, 2010, 08:07:39 PM
You probably had the wrong wine with it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on May 05, 2010, 09:42:39 PM
Both my kittehs seem to instinctively know not to lay on my chest right now. They have been closely supervising me since I got home, and being remarkably cooperative about sharing my lap/bed/couch.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 05, 2010, 09:44:27 PM
OOH! :hug:

:D

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 05, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
Dog! Fine. Teeth great, back probs are mild arthritis and maaaaybe some 'loose discs' so we're getting nsaids for that, she's sleeping off all the excitement now.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 05, 2010, 10:08:12 PM
 :lol: :lol:

Pets are awesome when they aren't being asses.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 06, 2010, 07:59:45 AM
:lol: :lol:

Pets are awesome when they aren't being asses.

Even with that, I would still take a pet being an ass over a person being an ass anyday.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 06, 2010, 12:40:05 PM
:lol: :lol:

Pets are awesome when they aren't being asses.

Even with that, I would still take a pet being an ass over a person being an ass anyday.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 06, 2010, 04:53:13 PM
IAWTC
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on May 07, 2010, 12:54:01 PM
Totally.

I love how animals are when they know something's up with the food-giver. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 07, 2010, 12:58:25 PM
My dogs have different reactions to my daughter's different crying sounds.  She's pitching a fit, they ignore her.  She's scared or hurt herself they go check on her and if no people are with her they come and find me.  And they never tell me my breath stinks!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on May 10, 2010, 10:59:42 PM
Speaking of pets' asses, my sister's dogs freaking REEK.  It's kind of her fault for changing their food, but still.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 11, 2010, 03:14:24 PM
What is she feeding them, ramps? 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 11, 2010, 03:19:08 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

That reminds me of something. In Cleveland, the hotel buffet featured chicken roasted with ramps. I was all like WHAAAR THE HAYUL IS NEEDALZ?!
The ramps were delicious, but yeah - potent.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on May 11, 2010, 08:22:16 PM
I still haven't had ramps.  Another reason to make it over to West Virgina.  So when is ramp season again :needles:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 11, 2010, 09:18:05 PM
They're like shallots - only - more so.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 11, 2010, 09:41:49 PM
(http://greenmaggit.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/waterhouse_the_lady_of_shalott022.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 11, 2010, 09:43:11 PM
She does look a bit ill.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on May 12, 2010, 03:35:16 PM
:knotty: :knotty: :knotty:

That reminds me of me thing. In Cleveage, the hoe buff chicken choked with rumps. I was all like WHAAAR THE HAYUL IS NEEDALZ?!
The rumps were delicious, butt j00 no - impotent.  :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on May 12, 2010, 10:49:30 PM
I dunno, it was the only dog food she could afford at the grocery store, and it was amazingly expensive (yay, Europe).  One of her dogs is a boxer and she said he always has gas, but not usually THIS bad.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 13, 2010, 08:30:48 AM
Hey hmof I just had a friend tell me something that might be of interest to you.  She said her vet told her to "cure" her dog of the poo eating, put a little bit of pineapple juice or fruit in their food.  Don't know if it works.  She said it worked for her.  Maybe worth a try if it bothers you so much.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 13, 2010, 10:22:49 AM
Now there's a Yahoo Answers page I don't need to see:  What can I feed my dog to make its poop taste bad?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 13, 2010, 11:59:14 PM
My cat loves playing in her drinking fountain.  The one I just fixed.  There are unexpected side effects.

It's really weird for me to be in bed with someone who has a wet beard.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on May 14, 2010, 11:37:36 AM
 :knotty:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on May 19, 2010, 12:30:21 AM
(http://www.modularsystems.sl/box/1271127554974.gif)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 19, 2010, 02:28:29 AM
 :lol: :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 19, 2010, 06:24:19 AM
 :love: it!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 19, 2010, 10:30:54 AM
Drift!  :thumbsup:


My cat's paws are so furry that she does that almost every time she tries to run.  When she tries to make a fast start, she looks like a cartoon character, running in place before she stats moving.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 19, 2010, 10:50:08 AM
Dogs do it too.  :lol: And it's funny too.  Big ones are the funniest.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on May 19, 2010, 10:51:27 AM
I put the stick on flooring tile down in the coop. When I put in a fresh batch of pine shavings it makes everything pretty slick.

And yes - the chickens do this.


Beyond funny.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 19, 2010, 10:59:41 AM
:lol: Yeah, Greyson was so upset when we moved to the house, because he really liked using the carpet to make sharp turns in the apartment. Suddenly he'd turn while running and be sprinting hard to get into the hallway, but he'd continue into the wall because there wasn't enough friction to move like he wanted to.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on May 19, 2010, 11:28:59 AM
When we're playing the laser pointer game, my cat refuses to make the transition from the carpeted area to the linoleum area. He'll sit there on the edge of the carpet waiting for the laser to come back on the playing field. He's like, "I'm not going to slide across the floor for your amusement. You should be happy I'm willing to chase this little point of light".
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on May 19, 2010, 12:14:50 PM
Dogs do it too.  :lol: And it's funny too.  Big ones are the funniest.

No kidding.  I love our hardwood floors for just that reason!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 19, 2010, 01:55:16 PM
My brother's oldest cat is a master of banking off of walls and furniture to make those turns.  She disdains slippage and would rather show off her mad parkour skillz, which always confounds his second-youngest cat.


Quote
And yes - the chickens do this.


Beyond funny.

Yeah, even pigeons do the slip-and-slide when they try to run too much.  Little birds often do an elastic two-foot hop instead.  I often wonder how this translates to dinosaur locomotion.  When a chicken's feet go out from under it, it either tends to land on wing-and-breast-muscle or straight down on its breast muscles plus its huge breastbone.  The theropod dinosaurs (like T rex and the raptors) didn't have that giant breastbone, what with not having wings or giant forelimbs, but they had a pelvis that had a big forward knob that was connected to the sternum with cartilage, plus a rearward knob more or less underneath the base of the tail.  They sat down on both pelvic processes and the sternum-cartilage process and both big feet (all the way back to the 'backward knee' that's really the heel).

Um . . . like this, actually (http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/ac-17_gierlinski_2001_Sept-2009.jpg).

Big cursorial birds, like ostriches, have the rearward pelvic process but don't need the forward one because they still have gigantic breastbone action going on.  Now, if you're a big theropod, like a tyrannosaur, and you slip while walking fast (let alone running), you're either going to be able to pull your feet up and fall straight down (ie, 'catch yourself', at least to some extent), or you're going to tip over and fall on your side.  For a really big rex, falling sideways might be disastrous, depending on what you smack into (a tree or rock, say) and how much you can pull your head in toward your chest and away from the ground.  Your neck's long enough and your head heavy enough that otherwise you're likely to crack your skull on the ground.  Although they did have extremely elastic skulls, which it's been presumed was so they could smash into you with their jaws open, but maybe if they slipped they'd put their head down first, to try to ease their weight down, as if the head were just another foot.  I don't know.

If you fall straight down, you're going to transfer a lot of force to and through your pelvis, primarily, and then your ribs.  I have no idea if they could take that or not.  The biomechanical simulations I've seen have all used pretty rigid and unlikely movements.  Even a crocodile is pretty sinuous if it drops from even a short height to the ground.

Watching a T rex slip and slide while trying to make a fast turn would probably be fairly epic, anyway.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 19, 2010, 02:34:23 PM
   :whatever: I don't believe in dinosaurs. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on May 19, 2010, 03:28:27 PM
(http://gorightly.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/jesus_and_the_dinosaurs.jpg?w=145&h=204)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on May 19, 2010, 05:16:57 PM
   :whatever: I don't believe in dinosaurs. 

really? Cause I have a whole coop of them out back.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 19, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
Damn straight. It's what I tell the kid when he says he doesn't like chicken. THEY'RE DINOSAURS. IT'S THEM OR US. DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CRETACEOUS? well, yeah, but just for a visit.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 19, 2010, 06:16:44 PM
   :whatever: I don't believe in dinosaurs. 

really? Cause I have a whole coop of them out back.

Ok, I was just kidding.  But the whole saber tooth bear thing, that just pisses me off.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on May 19, 2010, 06:38:55 PM
there was no saber tooth bear. there were cave bears and saber tooth cats. the cats were as big as bears.

please brush up on your pleistocene trivia. there will be a text next week.

smilodon would be a good word for a large smiley icon.

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/big/big-smiley-face.gif)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 19, 2010, 06:50:23 PM
there was no saber tooth bear. there were cave bears and saber tooth cats. the cats were as big as bears.


See that's what I have a problem with.  They say that, then they say that the saber tooth cats looked like bears, walked like bears, hunted like bears but were really cats!  I'm not buying it.  If it looks like a bear, acts like a bear and poops in the woods, I'm calling bear.  :angry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 19, 2010, 07:58:26 PM
I've seen so many reconstructions of saber-toothed cats, including ones with articulated jaws, and I still can't quite see how the really big-fanged ones ever bit anything.  I don't see how they could open their mouths far enough to get a decent bite.  Seriously, it mystifies me.  I don't just mean biting for killing; with some of them, I'm not even sure how they managed to eat.


As far as bears go, though, the short-faced bear is the one that always gets me.  Seems like a cool animal, but the popular science on it is always stupid.  The Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctodus_simus) is a good / bad example.

1)  The idea that they couldn't be hunters because they weren't built for speed is awfully stupid.  A typical domesticated dog can't run as fast as a typical white-tailed deer by a good 5-10 MPH, but a single fat off-the-leash dog can run down a deer because they're better distance runners.  Dog runs after the deer, and the deer sprints away, then stops to rest.  The dog catches up, and repeat.  The deer runs out of sprinting long before the dog runs out of trotting, and the deer can't lose the dog because the dog's sense of smell lets it follow the deer's trail too easily.

Short-faced bears had huge sniffing capacity, according to the experts, and could probably trot along all day.  Besides, a lot of experts think they were pack hunters, and lions don't need to outrun a whole herd of wildebeest.  They just need to catch the one poor bastard who went the wrong way or had too many other guys in its way.

Maybe these bears were scavengers, but they didn't need to be.


2)  They still frequently say that they may have died out from humans hunting them into extinction.  Or, at best, from killing off their prey animals.  Humans repeatedly clear-burning plains and savannah is a much more likely scenario, since, historically, this is how humans typically deal with hostile or troublesome territory.  The big animals don't have to die in the fires (although many would), since a couple of big fires every year will eff up the local ecosystem awfully fast and big animals are usually the most sensitive to those kinds of changes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 29, 2010, 07:51:33 AM
We are babysitting a foster puppy this weekend.  She is the sweetest puppy.  I am way not a puppy person but she's not bad for a puppy.  I've cleaned up only one accident (and that was my fault) and almost lost one shoe.  AWWWW crap!  Make that two accidents.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: DM on May 29, 2010, 08:02:19 AM
Hehe.   
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 29, 2010, 11:37:41 AM
Ugh. Another $30 bag of dry food (4.5 lbs) that the cat turns her nose up at. At least it was the 4.5 lb bag and not the 8 lb bags ($50-$60) I've tried before. I'm frustrated. She still likes the Iams, and when I mix it in with the expensive stuff she picks out the old stuff. I wish cats could grasp the concept of cause and effect. Cause: eating the old food; Effect: vomiting, horrible smelling poo, feeling sick all the time.

In better news, I ordered some small empty gelatin capsules online and they came yesterday. I have to cut her nasty-tasting pill in half to get it inside the capsule, but it masks the taste/smell and she'll eat it if I give it to her covered in a crumbled treat. Easier than the pill pockets, whose flavor she seems to dislike.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 29, 2010, 11:57:08 AM
I know I mentioned it before, but I can't remember what happened, and the Search isn't turning it up at the moment.  I switched to Castor & Pollux catfood because it doesn't have any corn in it, and my cat (medium-finicky) really likes it.  It's not all that expensive (about $20 for 6 lb), and the reduction in catbox odor has been pronounced.

I feel a little bad that she's around 11 and it took me until about a year ago to find the right combination of dry food, canned food, and cat litter for her, but better late than never.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 01, 2010, 12:19:39 PM
The foster puppy we were babysitting for the holiday weekend is now our foster puppy.   :happy:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 01, 2010, 02:33:39 PM
Amazing how that happens, innit?   ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 05, 2010, 06:42:32 AM
Taking Jake to get his hair and nails did this morning.  He's never been to the salon before.  Hope he likes it, or at least doesn't end up maiming someone.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 05, 2010, 06:10:21 PM
I haz cat curled up next to me.  :love:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TehPnuk on June 05, 2010, 08:00:37 PM
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1295/4672399881_228081197c_b.jpg)

Liz and I haz this now.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 05, 2010, 08:23:08 PM
You've been adopted! Sweet!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 05, 2010, 09:31:55 PM
He's such a sweetie. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 05, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
Does he have a name yet?

He looks a little like a Jethro, but possibly a Sparky.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 05, 2010, 10:01:31 PM
The rescue was calling him Andy.  I don't know.  Punk wants to change it, Lilia wants to keep it, I don't care much.  I think "Andy" is kind of cute.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 06, 2010, 06:04:25 AM
He's very full of the cuteness.  Why are Lilia's little hands in little fists?  Toby used to do that a lot.  I think he looks like a Richie or Ritchie or Ricky.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 06, 2010, 07:31:02 AM
That is a silly cute piece of doggie.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 06, 2010, 08:20:21 AM
Not sure, mbm.  She may be trying not to suck her thumb. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 06, 2010, 08:33:20 AM
I have to wash the curtains. 


Because the dog just peed on them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 06, 2010, 08:35:21 AM
I have to wash the curtains. 


Because the dog just peed on them.

Make him wash them, they're his now.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on June 07, 2010, 01:43:25 PM
Witness: Striker was the squadron leader. He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Prosecutor: Buddy couldn't handle it? Was Buddy one of your crew?
Witness: Right. Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Striker who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Prosecutor: *Andy* went to pieces?
Witness: No. Andy was the navigator. He was all right. Buddy went to pieces. It was awful how he came unglued.
Prosecutor: *Howie* came unglued?
Witness: Oh, no. Howie was a rock, the best tailgunner in the outfit. Buddy came unglued.
Prosecutor: And he bailed out?
Witness: No. Andy hung tough. Buddy bailed out. How he survived, it was a miracle.
Prosecutor: Then Howie survived?
Witness: No, 'fraid not. We lost Howie the next day.

Andy is definitely all right.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 07, 2010, 01:59:50 PM
I took him out this morning and it was drizzling and about 55.  He was shivering.  Oh god, am I going to have to put a sweater in him?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 07, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
ON him.  Damn autocorrect.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on June 07, 2010, 02:01:34 PM
I took him out this morning and it was drizzling and about 55.  He was shivering.  Oh god, am I going to have to put a sweater in him?

If you get measurements I will totally knit/crochet him something.

Something totally non-embarrassing.

Really.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on June 07, 2010, 02:11:25 PM
Dude would probably eat a sweater, so the preposition might not be that far off.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 07, 2010, 02:25:09 PM
Real dogs don't wear sweaters.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 07, 2010, 02:32:40 PM
Dude would probably eat a sweater, so the preposition might not be that far off.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 07, 2010, 02:45:19 PM
He's wearing one in one of the pics the rescue had up.  Can a 15 pound poodle/terrier regulate his temp enough?  I've never had a dog this small.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 07, 2010, 02:54:13 PM
Some dogs can't.  Like Greyhounds need to have coats in cold or bad weather.  My weimeraner does fine in cold and she only has one coat.  It's the heat she can't take.  My shepherd is good with most any, he's got a nice undercoat and overcoat.  I would think a little terrier would not have such a problem unless maybe it's because he is just a puppy.  Puppy's need to be watched about getting too cold or too warm.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on June 07, 2010, 02:57:21 PM
What's a dog like that doing in a climate like yours.  Bear is probably a Shepherd Norwegian Elkhound mix and we got him in Davis, CA in June from the pound it was around 110 degrees at the time and when we got him home he went and sat in our fountain.  Poor furry thing.  He's currently shedding his triple coat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 07, 2010, 03:13:06 PM
Rescue lady said he just blew his coat last week.  We're having terrible weather for June.  Also, he's from the other side of the mountains, a different microclimate.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on June 07, 2010, 04:46:15 PM
(http://www.tvtopten.com/images/snuggie-for-dogs.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 07, 2010, 08:17:27 PM
Its willingness to wear clothes is one of the dog's superiorities over the cat.  If I had a dog, it would have accessories like Batman has accessories.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on June 07, 2010, 09:27:53 PM
some of these are truly awesome:

dogs in costume (http://famtraveltours.com/Photos_and_Media.php)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on June 08, 2010, 12:34:14 PM
Its willingness to wear clothes is one of the dog's superiorities over the cat.  If I had a dog, it would have accessories like Batman has accessories.

Like Choda Dog?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 08, 2010, 02:34:19 PM
I'm not familiar with Choda Dog, but the googles suggest that, no, that's not what I mean.  I was more thinking panniers, dog crampons, a tool belt, and harness-mounted weapons.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on June 08, 2010, 02:36:10 PM
You really need to put Orgazmo in your netflix queue.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 08, 2010, 02:38:12 PM
I'm not familiar with Choda Dog, but the googles suggest that, no, that's not what I mean.  I was more thinking panniers, dog crampons, a tool belt, and harness-mounted weapons.
I can't find it, but I'm thinking of the dog in Bloom County outfitted with a tactical nuke.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on June 08, 2010, 02:40:48 PM
click here (http://shitbusters.vaevictis.nl/screens/orgazmo/ori.png) possibly a little NSFW if they're really uptight.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 08, 2010, 04:47:35 PM
click here (http://shitbusters.vaevictis.nl/screens/orgazmo/ori.png) possibly a little NSFW if they're really uptight.

I am VERY disturbed by that. :trance:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 08, 2010, 05:16:03 PM
I've seen that before, and I've seen Orgazmo (eh), but I didn't remember the dog was from Orgazmo.

Dogs in porn have famously done worse, and they've probably obscurely done even worse still, but fortunately I only know about the stuff that's famous.  That was enough for me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 09, 2010, 01:23:57 AM
Hmm, I'm not sure Punk will allow me to sweater Andy.  What measurements would you need, vox?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 09, 2010, 01:31:16 AM
Maybe a nice little leather jacket?  If it laces up like some biker jackets, he could wear it for quite awhile despite growing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on June 09, 2010, 07:12:03 AM
Hmm, I'm not sure Punk will allow me to sweater Andy.  What measurements would you need, vox?

I don't really know - let me look for some patterns.

You said he was 15 lbs? My guess would be something that runs from bottom of neck to tail along the spine would be a good measurement. And chest & neck measurements would be good.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 09, 2010, 08:26:44 AM
One of my tumblr buddies, SisterMaryMarthas, has a cat stuck in her kitchen ceiling.  She's extraordinarily attached to this cat, Dill, and he appears pretty regularly on her blog.  Dill climbed through a hole in the ceiling (via the fridge) that was open to attend to some repair work - despite their blocking it, she found a way to get in.  Now she's worked her way past an exhaust vent and sounds like she's stuck in the eave that juts out past the line of the other houses (it's a rowhome).  SMM is losing her mind and her boyfriend, the home-owner, is ping-ponging between guilt-driven anger and panic-driven helplessness.

Keep them all in your thoughts - I'm sure they're all exhausted, scared, and Dill must be starving.  She's been trapped for a full day so far; we're waiting to hear if animal control ever called them back and if L (the boyfriend) agreed to let the fire department start destroying things.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 09, 2010, 09:00:04 AM
:(

Yeah at this point you have to just start punching holes in the drywall.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 09, 2010, 10:27:48 AM
Her contractor friend came over and tore some stuff apart - L even crawled in the space - but they still can't see her.  And she's stopped making noise.  I think the noise probably scared her and she'll come out when things quiet down, but they did find a space where she might have fallen down into the wall.

Why do we put ourselves through this pet bullshit again?  Dill makes Bo dumping his food bowl over this morning - twice - look like a pisher.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 10, 2010, 10:16:20 AM
It took a hole in the roof, but Dill is rescued and the praise has been sent up.

#CLOTU
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 10, 2010, 11:13:04 AM
Yeah for Ceiling Cat!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 10, 2010, 12:15:58 PM
Yeah for Ceiling Cat!  :thumbsup:

Haha! That's what I thought too.

Hell, I have no problem putting holes in walls. I made a removable panel for bat rescues at Chez Ogre/Kancho.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 10, 2010, 12:35:41 PM
CLOTU?

"Look, maybe I didn't say every single little tiny syllble, no.  But basically I said them, yeah."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 10, 2010, 01:07:07 PM
#CLOTU is a tag we wear out over at Tumblr:  Cat Ladies Of Tumblr Unite.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on June 11, 2010, 11:21:33 AM
#CLOTU is a tag we wear out over at Tumblr:  Cat Ladies Of Tumblr Unite.

 :detta: :detta: :detta:

SO happy to hear about the kitteh. They are amazingly resilient creatures though... I honestly had a feeling things would turn out fine.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 19, 2010, 01:37:24 PM
The cat is making me feel bad. She is sweet and following me everywhere and sitting next to me. But she cries at me like she is hungry and I feel like she's all like, "Why won't my human feed me?" I do of course feed her but she doesn't like her food. I mix it with the crappy $4 friskies or whatever from the store to try to appeal to her, and she'll eat it but not very much and when I gave her straight up friskies, she puked. Awesome.

:bummed:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 19, 2010, 04:29:19 PM
 :( :thumbsdn:

Pets. Oy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 21, 2010, 08:05:22 AM
Word.

Bo eats on the dining room table to minimize ant invasion.  Sometimes after I feed him he hollers at me like he's hungry.  "Dude.  Look in your bowl," I say, but then he won't get up on the table, so I put the bowl under his face.  "Hey!  Check it out!" he thinks as he dives in face-first.

 :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 21, 2010, 08:25:00 AM
Sounds like he's training you.   :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 21, 2010, 08:25:41 AM
Well, yeah, isn't that how it goes with cats?   ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 21, 2010, 08:31:26 AM
Only the good ones.  I've had a few in my day that would find it difficult to get themselves out of a wet paper bag.  The one we have now was almost killed by my shepherd last year.  He healed all up and is fine now but is afraid of the dogs, or so I thought.  He does this thing now where, although he still hides from the dogs, he will announce (very loudly) before he is going to go somewhere that he is going there.  You know in case any dogs want to know.   :nuts:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 21, 2010, 09:00:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_t8DvM2kX8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_t8DvM2kX8)

hee hee hee
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 21, 2010, 10:46:21 AM
I had my cat trained to follow me when I snapped my fingers.  Every time I fed her, I went down to the kitchen, got the food, and snapped my fingers occasionally while I brought it upstairs.  After a while, she'd almost always show up if I snapped my fingers whether it was feeding time or not.

But after enough time went by, instead she learned that sometimes when I go upstairs, I have cat food.  Honestly, so much for the great sense of smell.  So instead, she started always following me up and down the stairs, which was not an improvement.

NOW it's gotten to the point where she follows me downstairs and paces around the kitchen whether I'm getting cat food or not -- and then she doesn't follow me upstairs, even if I have the cat food.  She's always hoping it's cat food, but now she always assumes it's a false alarm.  Then, later, she happens to notice there's cat food in her bowl.

:eyeroll:

In theory, I could not put the food down unless she follows me when I snap my fingers, but neither of us is all that interested in it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 21, 2010, 06:14:12 PM
OMG y'all.

The bf's husky has issues. I've mentioned it before, she is very needy and incredibly dependent on him, to the point where she doesn't like to play with other dogs at the dog park unless he's standing up walking around near her. Well, he decided to see what she gets up to when he leaves (she still pees on the floor) so he set up a webcam. I was helping him get settings adjusted and such and he left it running and left to come over here. The entire time it took him to get here (~ half an hour maybe) she wailed and whined and paced and howled. Like, c'mon dog. He has been spending nights here a couple of times a week for like 7 months now, it's well beyond time to get over it. He leaves the stereo and TV on when he leaves, and his lights are on a timer. He can't afford a *good* trainer to come in and deal with her, but for the time being I'm going to feel super guilty asking him to stay here overnight, so I guess maybe I won't. But what if she does that just when he goes out to do shopping or something?

We all f-ing need therapy.  :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 21, 2010, 07:57:30 PM
You might already know all of this, but . . . huskies are often like that, though, especially if they're 'single' dogs.  They often need obedience training if you want them to be calm, although they're supposedly easy to train, and they want a LOT of attention, especially if they don't have other dogs to play with.  You're supposed to socialize them with other dogs as puppies if you're not going to have a 'pack' for them at home.  I'm pretty sure.

Huskies are more work dogs than pet dogs.  I mean, they make great companions, but they're not a breed that sits on the couch and waits for you to come home.  They want to be out doing stuff.  They're infamous for running off if you let them off the leash, not because they're running away or messing with you but because they just zoom off exploring before they realize how far they've gone.

We had friends, way back when, who raised huskies, and it was constant drama.  They had like a dozen at any given time (honestly, it wasn't their full-time job, or anything, and I've never been able to understand how they managed), and they always said you own at least two or you don't own any.  Don't tell the BF that if you don't want him to get another dog, though.

If he does get another dog, maybe he should get a calmer companion the same size, like, I don't know, an akita maybe?  Or that Finnish dog-wolf breed?  They're supposed to be calm, and those are both like husky-sized without being German shepherd rough.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 21, 2010, 08:20:31 PM
German Shepherd rough?  :angry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 21, 2010, 08:31:36 PM
I'm not saying German shepherds aren't good dogs.  But they're typically rougher than a lot of other breeds.  Rough coats, sometimes oily / funky, and their feet are as tough on floors and furniture as any dog's, and yadda yadda.  If you've already got a dog you're having trouble maintaining, a shepherd might not be your best choice.

I mean, there are higher-maintenance dogs, god knows, but still.  I admit I may be prejudiced based on shepherds I personally have known.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 21, 2010, 08:37:04 PM
Yeah, good points. He and his ex got two puppies together and when they split, they split up the dogs. Possibly a bad move, I guess. I am used to lower maintenance pets I guess (says the one who just spent $obscene on the cat's vet bill), and I guess it annoys me that she needs SO much attention and he feels incredibly guilty if he doesn't get her to the dog park nearly every day. He feels guilty when he has to work for 7 hours outside of the house. I'm definitely used to dogs and cats who are fine being home all day.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 21, 2010, 08:40:18 PM
I'm not saying German shepherds aren't good dogs.  But they're typically rougher than a lot of other breeds.  Rough coats, sometimes oily / funky, and their feet are as tough on floors and furniture as any dog's, and yadda yadda.  If you've already got a dog you're having trouble maintaining, a shepherd might not be your best choice.

I mean, there are higher-maintenance dogs, god knows, but still.  I admit I may be prejudiced based on shepherds I personally have known.

If you are saying there are some breeds of dogs that you have to let know you are the one in charge, then yes.  Huskies also fall into that category.  Any working breed dog is going to require more effort on the part of the owner (because they are smarter dogs or have instincts that drive their lives, etc.)  Actually the Akita is also a very dominant dog.  There are also breeds of dog that want to be with their family as much as possible.  German Shepherds are often referred to as velcro dogs, Huskies too.  And if you've got a dog you are having trouble maintaining, I wouldn't suggest getting another one to take care of the first.  I would suggest training or in a worst case, surrendering to a rescue.  
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on June 21, 2010, 09:28:56 PM
Yeah, good points. He and his ex got two puppies together and when they split, they split up the dogs. Possibly a bad move, I guess.

To me, this explains everything. That dog is lonely! And maybe even grieving. It had a companion... as far as he knows, the other dog is just dead. :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on June 22, 2010, 07:58:05 AM
My mother and my sister both know way too much about way too many kinds of dogs.  L volunteers at a shelter and Mom is a dog show groupie.  Tell me what you're looking for in a dog and they'll tell you what to get.

L already has my first dog named.  And you know I currently live in a I'M THE ONLY CRITTER ALLOWED household.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 22, 2010, 05:51:50 PM
Yeah, good points. He and his ex got two puppies together and when they split, they split up the dogs. Possibly a bad move, I guess.

To me, this explains everything. That dog is lonely! And maybe even grieving. It had a companion... as far as he knows, the other dog is just dead. :(

Well, they did split up while the puppies were little, over 2 years ago. And there have been play dates and one or the other of the humans would dogsit for the other on occasion, and bf's dog didn't really seem to get along with her brother. So, who knows.

Artemis seems lonely and bored sometimes, but I think she takes after me. She seems much happier now than when we lived with other cats, and she's only met a dog inside the place she lives once. My roomie in VA got a dog with her boyfriend (the dog was staying at her boyfriend's house) and she brought the dog over to the apartment. That was the night Artemis ended up in the emergency vet hospital having dislocated her hips, and when they found she had arthritis there (at age 2!!). Did I say I was used to low-maintenance animals? Nevermind.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 22, 2010, 06:03:07 PM
I was butthurt that the pigs kept me up all night fighting, and held out on sharing my tomato for an impressive amount of time - all things considered.  :smug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 23, 2010, 11:04:45 PM
BUTTHURT

Carmen and Little Bit totally gave :bitzero: the cold shoulder tonight when he got home. They didn't flee or freak out - they just ignored him. I feel kind of bad about it, but also a little lulzy because I think they're mad at him for taking off for over a week.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 28, 2010, 10:11:45 PM
I just weighed my cat with the Wii Fit for the first time since January.

She's down 2.0 lbs.

I'm this close to crying and I feel like the worst cat-mom ever. Gotta call the vet to get her more meds tomorrow, I guess I can ask them what more I can do. I've resorted to just giving her fancy feast with very little of the "good" food, since she's hungry but doesn't like the "good" food. Ugh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 28, 2010, 10:28:14 PM
:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:
:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:
:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 28, 2010, 10:44:41 PM
Oh, yuck. Not fun at all
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 29, 2010, 12:51:40 AM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on June 29, 2010, 01:35:22 AM
Don't feel too bad about Fancy Feast.

http://www.consumersearch.com/cat-food/fancy-feast-flaked-fish-shrimp-feast (http://www.consumersearch.com/cat-food/fancy-feast-flaked-fish-shrimp-feast)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 01, 2010, 01:50:44 PM
Well, the vet said she's down a pound and a half since they saw her last in April/May. Not horrible, but they wanted to run labs to make sure the weight loss was only as a result of the eating situation. It is, and they didn't give me too much grief at all for feeding her anything she was willing to eat. However, they said it was possible she had a UTI since her ultrasound to check on her stones and what not made her bladder "look like a snowglobe." They did a urinalysis and it was blood in the urine, so just in case, they gave her an injection of antibiotic and wouldn't do her yearly vaccines yet. She actually didn't have a UTI, though blood in the urine can be a good place for bacteria to grow. Poor thing's gonna have to go back in for her shots.

Oh but why I came to this thread in the first place... I got her some Fancy Feast at the Costco, but unfortunately it was the "Grilled" variety, not the pate style. So I gave her some and the little brat just licked off all the gravy and wouldn't touch the meat-like parts. The next time I gave her some I whizzed it up using the hand blender first and she licked her bowl clean and was asking for more. I gave her seconds and went over to pet her and see if she liked it. It went sort of like this

Me: "Artie, do you like your food?"
Art: *look up from dish, face covered in food bits*
Art: *lick lips, goes back to dish*
Me: *thumbs up*
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 01, 2010, 01:58:14 PM
:thumbsup:

My cat will seemingly eat any Fancy Feast, but the pate Seafood ones vanish, and the bowl appears autoclave clean.  Unfortunately, the pate type is a lot harder to find around here lately.  Petco sometimes has it, but for like $4 a box more than Meijer.  I may try buying it online, but it's a pain since I have to have it shipped to work, and I already have everything shipped here.  It borders on too much as it is.

Also unfortunately, my cat has completely lost her feeding schedule.  Used to be 7:30 PM and 7:30 AM, with the fancy dry food available at all times, and she always knew when it was time.  Now she wants canned food at 6 PM, and in the middle of the night, and in the morning -- and almost any other time she sees me go into the kitchen.  She still eats the dry food, but there are a lot of nights where she wakes me up half a dozen times, and I have enough trouble sleeping as it is.

I often don't get home until 8:30 PM nowadays, but I've got to wonder if that was really enough to destroy her internal clock so thoroughly.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on August 01, 2010, 01:58:53 PM
I hope the stress from the move doesn't make her eating problem worse. My cat has this weird habit of eating like half his food, and then he'll stop and start meowing. I'll come over and pet him, and then he'll eat the rest of it. If I don't pet him, he won't eat any more until the next mealtime :shrug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on August 01, 2010, 02:14:11 PM
And... just got an email from one of my sisters. Her Great Dane died today  :(

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/socks-copy.jpg)

This is my favorite picture of her. She had a lot of trouble with infections in her toenails, so she had to wear socks for a while. Too cute.

The dog had all kinds of health problems over the years, and my sis spent a ton of money on her. It wasn't her first Great Dane either, and the last one had all kinds of health problems too. I think they're prone to have certain health issues. They are surprisingly lovable dogs though, so I guess she just can't resist them. Ugh. She's gonna be devastated.

RIP, Sunshine.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 01, 2010, 02:22:48 PM
:thumbsdn:


Maybe your cat is just checking to see if you want some before he finishes it all.  Cats actually often display behavior that shows they're worried their humans don't eat enough, such as bringing you food and trying to teach you to hunt for yourself.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on August 01, 2010, 05:19:40 PM
Heh. I would have never even considered that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 01, 2010, 06:01:18 PM
 :thumbsdn: So sorry. I love great danes.


The cat I had growing up used to wake Dad up at like 5am (about 15 min before his alarm went off, isn't that always the way?). She wouldn't eat, despite having food in her bowl, until someone woke up and went into the kitchen. She didn't like eating alone, but that didn't start until she got to be about 15 or 16.

Artemis doesn't seem too bothered yet by all the mess I've been making with packing and cleaning stuff out etc. I told her we're moving, but that doesn't usually seem to interrupt her bath time or anything.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 01, 2010, 08:04:15 PM
My brother's oldest cat is one of those that won't start eating unless someone's there to watch her back.  She was fine until he and his wife got their third cat, a male who was always a bit of a hellraiser.  He liked to attack the other cats while they were trying to eat -- it's a good way to demonstrate social dominance, after all.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 02, 2010, 01:09:09 AM
Heh. Pigs activate in the morning when one of us gets up. I get a glass of water and at least one of them hits the water bottle at the same time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on August 02, 2010, 08:49:33 AM
Sorry  :( to hear about the Dane.  They are great dogs and they are prone to many health problems and have relatively short life spans.

My animals have a regular eating schedule.  Dogs get me up around 5:30 for a morning pee and look around outside.  I shower.  The dogs come back in if they are still out and get fed.  Puppy first, old lady second and my boy last and they all have to sit first.  They eat, then they go back outside and the cat yells at me until I fill his bowl.  He eats like one bite then walks around while the dogs are out to drink water and check things out.  Then he goes back into the abyss when the dogs come back in and take back over.  Repeat in the evening around 6 -7 o'clock.  When I can't do all of this I try to get my daughter to fill in (yes she's only five but she knows the routine and knows it's important to stick to it, unlike my husband).  If she can't do it, they wait for me or my other side fills in and inevitably screws up everyone's schedule and menu and whatever else he doesn't think is important.  :angry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on August 02, 2010, 05:05:05 PM
Inbreeding leads to health problems.  Sorry for your loss.  We have neighbors who are on their third Great Dane in 10 years.  My mutt is 13 and doing great.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on August 02, 2010, 08:23:20 PM
Inbreeding leads to health problems.  Sorry for your loss.  We have neighbors who are on their third Great Dane in 10 years.  My mutt is 13 and doing great.

It isn't just that, it is the sheer size of the animal. The larger the dog the shorter the lifespan (generally). The heart just has to do a great deal more work and gives out earlier. Great Danes, Mastiffs, Irish Wolfhounds - they all have the same problems and life expectancies.

Your little teacup poodle - darn near immortal.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 02, 2010, 09:37:05 PM
Quote from: vox8 link=topic=619.msg108259#msg108259 date=1280798600
Your little teacup poodle - darn near immortal.
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Now that is frightening.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on August 03, 2010, 10:35:57 PM
Damn dog dug my Paxils out of my purse and chewed open the bottle.  I counted, he didn't eat any.

5 minutes later he had a box of Tic Tacs open.  Jackass.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 03, 2010, 10:43:09 PM
Good lord! Someone has a death wish or a pill fetish.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on August 03, 2010, 10:45:44 PM
Maybe he likes the rattling.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 03, 2010, 10:46:59 PM
Probably just looking for Tic Tacs but can't read labels.

Hey, just one calorie each, you know, and I think they confer upon you the ability to ski and kiss blondes.  I vaguely remember the ads.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 03, 2010, 11:43:01 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on August 04, 2010, 08:17:08 AM
I once had a cat who  :love: the sound of a pill bottle with pills in.  He was easy to medicate, just ask for the pill form, shake the bottle, here comes Harley and he rubs his little hands together in anticipation and eats one (or as many as you needed to give him).  Freakin junkie.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 04, 2010, 09:41:51 AM
 :lol:  Carmen is the same way with the Metacam. It's honey-flavored and she goes bonkers for it. She tries to take the syringe from me every time. Once I let her, and she just stood there gnawing it to death.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 04, 2010, 09:52:44 AM
Just thought I'd throw this in here

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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 04, 2010, 10:17:57 AM
Is that the newest turrurist?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 04, 2010, 10:30:45 AM
Yep. He's all growed up now. Well, mostly.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on August 04, 2010, 11:15:36 AM
 :detta:

Love the eyebrows.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 04, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
Looks lovably disreputable.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 04, 2010, 02:46:04 PM
Never grew into those ears, though.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 04, 2010, 05:34:00 PM
Man.

That guy just looks like adorable trouble.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 04, 2010, 05:51:42 PM
That's about the size of it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 17, 2010, 11:03:38 AM
Oh man. Old dog got a puppy cut the other day, so she can handle the hot weather again. F'ing groomers went too far. They slicked her down like a weimaraner or something. Poor thing. This sucks.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on August 17, 2010, 11:22:57 AM
HEY!  What's wrong with Weimaraners?  WhyIyata...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 17, 2010, 11:31:06 AM
No, it's just that border collies should not have short hair like them.

Although I knew one Weimaraner that was so inbred, stupid and violent I've been suspicious of the breed, since. Actually that's not fair, I'm pretty suspicious of all purebred breeds.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 17, 2010, 11:34:16 AM
There's a gentleman Doberman that is one of the bigged Dobes I've ever seen. I was out walking this morning and his owner - who I think is trying to look like Jamie Hyneman (sp?) and doing a fair job of it - and I chatted a bit and I got to pet and talk to the Dobe. He's a big sweetie.

Then I came home and showed the pigs the same hand that had been petting the Dobe. Their reaction was  :confused: :hmm: :harumph:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 17, 2010, 11:38:58 AM
:lol:  I always do that with my cat.  She is MYSTIFIED.  She clearly knows that that weird scent has some kind of great significance, but her brain is so tiny and addled, and her experience so limited, that she has no idea what or why.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 17, 2010, 11:40:58 AM
:galm:

I always wonder, when I meet dogs, whether they're communicating with mine one way or another via residual smells.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on August 17, 2010, 11:45:23 AM
:galm:

I always wonder, when I meet dogs, whether they're communicating with mine one way or another via residual smells.

Wonder no more.  The answer is yes.  It's like reading the news for them, or your bio.
And my Weim is not stupid or inbred or violent and she's purebred.  And neither is my purebred German Shepherd for that matter.   :harumph:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 17, 2010, 11:48:32 AM
Yeah, well, caveat emptor! There are some really effing irresponsible dog breeders out there. Don't buy a dog with anything less then four grandparents, for godsake! ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on August 17, 2010, 11:51:30 AM
I definitely don't disagree with that!  The weim came from a breeder.  My So bought her way before I was in the picture.  And the breeder has been in the news on several occassions for her bad breeding habits, animal neglect and abuse.  It was even national I think.

My Shepherd was rescue.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 17, 2010, 11:57:36 AM
The rottenweiler in my old hood was a jackass. It killed woodchucks and chased cats and just sort of menaced everyone.

Mine would go after someone if I said the words, but otherwise she was a big baby. She guarded Murray and Chloe (the original G's) and Murray would even complain until she greeted him in the morning.  :eyeroll: Was friendly to the UPS guy and would sit on his foot until he stopped petting her or gave her whatever package he was bringing to us. Defect rolled in like he owned the joint.

In contrast, her mom was put down for being aggressive and biting kids. I think it's 50/50 with dogs. Kind of like people. Genes are half of it, conditioning is the other half.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on August 17, 2010, 12:03:08 PM
Yeah, well, caveat emptor! There are some really effing irresponsible king breeders out there. Don't buy a king with anything less then four grandparents, for godsake! ;)
We have corrected this for you. You have our permission to depart.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 17, 2010, 01:20:03 PM
Quote
Don't buy a dog with anything less then four grandparents, for godsake!

In fact, I recommend using money.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on August 17, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
Defect rolled in like he owned the joint.

It seems like the words are jumbled in this sentence. My brain reads it as: "Defect rolled the joint. He owned."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 17, 2010, 05:08:32 PM
 :lol: :lol:

It's technically correct, but just looks weird. I suspect "rolled" is antiquated slang by now. I could have thrown a comma in I suppose.

Defect rolled in, like he owned the joint.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 17, 2010, 05:19:39 PM
Nah, no comma for an adverbial phrase unless you're inverting construction order in a way that makes the meaning unclear otherwise OR using it as a parenthetical.

Defect rolled in like he owned the joint. is standard.

Like he owned the joint, Defect rolled in. is also standard.

Putting a fatty on a burn diet, Defect rolled in like he owned the joint. is probably pretty standard.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 17, 2010, 05:32:04 PM
Like he owned the joint, rolled in, did Defect. /yoda
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on August 17, 2010, 05:45:08 PM
Defect rolled in like he owned the joint.

It seems like the words are jumbled in this sentence. My brain reads it as: "Defect rolled the joint. He owned."

"Defect, like, owned the in joint.  He rolled."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 17, 2010, 06:02:10 PM
I like where this thread is going.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 17, 2010, 06:04:30 PM
:lol: 

Yah, I cited but then skipped the traditional parenthetical because it's awkward in this instance, but it would be:

Defect, like he owned the joint, rolled in.

Perhaps on little cat feet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on August 17, 2010, 06:08:43 PM
Or in his Pimpmobile. I'll find that picture AFTER I get something done today.
Need a cover letter finished before midnight but have to clean the pen first because they won't shut up and that's preventing me from finishing the letter.

So yeah, p1g C4b4L.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 04, 2010, 10:30:19 PM
The cat, I think, is not half as enthusiastic about this cooler weather as I am. I found her hiding under the comforter on the bed a couple times, and just now she was in the walk-in closet, snoozing. I noticed it was definitely a few degrees warmer in there, too. No circulation.

Sometimes when she retreats like that I wonder if she has some light/sound sensitivity, like a headache or something. Of course she could just be trying to escape my Elmyra-from-Tiny-Toons grabbiness. Cats: who can tell?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on September 05, 2010, 06:56:45 AM
Cats: how do they work?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 05, 2010, 10:11:16 AM
I wanted to find the Kliban cartoon where the cats are being peculiar and the guy says, "Mysterious creatures, aren't they?"

The GIS did give me a bunch of Kliban cartoons, but not that one.  Also, a bunch of random stuff, a bunch of horrendous porn, and even Kliban-theme furry porn. 

I guess I should have predicted that, but on the other hand I'm glad it hadn't sprung to mind.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on September 13, 2010, 12:03:25 PM
I got myself 3 African Dwarf Frogs. They are mostly aquatic frogs that get to be around 2 inches. They are AWESOME. Although their mating rituals are a bit fucked up but whatever.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 13, 2010, 12:13:56 PM
 :shock:

Well if fucked up mating rituals are the topic, they've come to the right place!

Hao U bin, sish?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 18, 2010, 08:10:10 AM
Goddamned cat is puking again.

Poor little thing, I do feel bad for her. It's really frustrating for me, and probably doubly so for her. She is obviously hungry, but she eats and three seconds later it comes up again. I just don't know that I have the money or mental faculties to go through what I did in April all over again.

This morning I took up the food bowl, left the water bowl. Some places recommend you withhold food for a little while to try to "restart" the cat's digestive tract. I'm not sure how much I buy this, but I guess it's worth a trial. The other day I gagged on something (brushing my teeth, actually) and started puking and was super sensitive to it for a while after. Like if I did something remotely gag-inducing (sniffling, for example), I had to run to the bathroom. It was lovely. But I'm thinking maybe that's what she's going through now? I don't know, and I can't get her medicine in her.

Ugh, maybe I do have to take her to the vet, for a shot of prednisone or something.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 18, 2010, 09:39:30 AM
I can't remember if you've already tried this -- and it is pretty high-maintenance -- but you might try feeding her in very small doses.  A couple pieces of kibble, wait twenty minutes, and if no barfing, a few more.  Over time, increase the amounts.

This worked for one of my brother's cats . . . until my SIL got a psycho new kitten who stresses the other cats out too much.  Then the barfing began again, along with random urination and other fun.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on September 18, 2010, 10:54:31 AM
do cats have intestinal flora?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 18, 2010, 11:42:52 AM
They do, why?

I think most animals (if not all) do.

She went and drank some water from the water bowl, and threw up about a minute after. It's bile - a neon yellow/green color. Poor kitty. I'm avoiding the vet right now because I know how much it will stress her out and the last time I took her to the vet the thing that cured her was just time, I think. They could give me some anti-nausea meds, but they won't, because the vet out here has never seen her, only her medical records. I'm lucky they gave me the metronidazole she takes as a maintenance med without an exam. (Which, incidentally, I can't get into her, so its anti-inflammatory properties aren't helping her inflammatory bowel. Grr.)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on September 18, 2010, 11:54:48 AM
 :( poor kitty.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on September 18, 2010, 11:55:09 AM
if the intestinal flora is wrong it can cause other problems. maybe a probiotic supplement.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on September 18, 2010, 12:09:16 PM
I do not want to ask this question, but, have they checked her white cell count? Kiley had the same issues and we thought it was a bloat issue. It wasn't. She had cancer.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 18, 2010, 12:26:28 PM
Well, every time they've done blood work it's been "normal." She just had blood work done about 6 weeks ago or so because they wanted to make sure her weight loss was caused by  decreased eating and not by something else going on.

The whole deal with the surgery and biopsies and everything back in April confirmed that it was IBD and not lymphoma (or some other mass causing obstruction or what have you), which were the two choices at the time.

She's supposed to be on a hypoallergenic food, but she wouldn't eat it. I tried looking for foods with the least amount of grains, but who knows (jerks add grains to cat food to bulk it up, and they're not nutritionally relevant to an obligate carnivore)  :P

Maybe I'll look into making her food myself. Christ but I cannot afford to do that, and she doesn't really love people food - especially meats - and I'd have to do a lot of research into making sure she's getting what she needs as far as supplements.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on September 18, 2010, 12:47:48 PM
Ok, cool. (the not cancer part)

If she likes fish, I have an extra, unopened package of bonito flakes I can send if you give me yer addy. I use them to make my dashi with (for miso soup). They taste more like bacon than fish to me, but I've read reviews where a few flakes of it on pet food helps with picky eating issues. Worth a shot if you think she'll go for it. Dunno about keeping it down. They make anti-barf pills and, ugh, suppositories for humans. They work - I've taken them during hella bad migraines. I wonder if such a thing exists for cats?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 18, 2010, 01:28:34 PM
There are a jillion recipes online for making your own cat food.  I've often been tempted.  If you're in a fairly rural area, at least, it can usually be done for less than decent canned food, and there are places you can send away to for the supplemental stuff cat's don't get in a pure meat diet.

I'm sure I've said this before, but . . . my cat barfs up dry food that has corn in it.  She really likes the Castor & Pollux corn-free stuff, though, and it's actually not very expensive.  It doesn't cause stool issues, either, like a lot of the pricier big-brand dry foods.  It's billed as "No Wheat", although it contains barley (and rice).  It does make her coat shinier, although I can't tell if it actually helps with the hairballs.

Castor & Pollux Indoor Mix (http://www.castorpolluxpet.com/store/natural_ultramix/natural_ultramix_indoor_feline_formula)

I have no idea if all the ingredients in there are really necessary for her nutrition, but she eats all of it, and if you'd told me I could feed her stuff with dried blueberries in it, I would have been dubious.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 18, 2010, 02:08:18 PM
I'd need to invest in a decent food processor or meat grinder attachment for my kitchen aid. Something that will grind bones, since that's important. Though, I guess I could probably find bone meal somewhere.

Thanks for the offer, TL;DR, but don't worry about it. I have some similar stuff here. Maybe I'll make her a broth of vigor, Iron Chef Michiba-style.

I wish I were further along in my schooling. Not that I would be able to administer one and come back alive, but we're going to learn how to make suppositories and the like. They sell transdermal patches of anti nausea stuff too, smrt!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on September 18, 2010, 02:34:54 PM
check this out:

http://www.vitalityscience.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=31

meat grinder attachment for my kitchen aide.


sure wish i had this. it's cheaper to do a lot of meaty things with one of these. i have a crank, but it's cumbersome.


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 18, 2010, 02:46:34 PM
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i have a crank, but it's cumbersome.

Story of my LIFE.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Irish on September 19, 2010, 02:49:58 AM

She's supposed to be on a hypoallergenic food, but she wouldn't eat it. I tried looking for foods with the least amount of grains, but who knows (jerks add grains to cat food to bulk it up, and they're not nutritionally relevant to an obligate carnivore)  :P


I feed my dogs Canidae Grain Free dry food. It's a higher quality food. Better than anything they sell at a grocery store and even more vets, but still not the most expensive out there. It is pricier though. I'm not going to lie, my dogs will scarf up other food like Beneful partly because the taste is better and partly because they think it's a treat as opposed to food. However, I've had no problems getting them to eat the Canidae. They make cat food called Felidae in Grain Free dry or canned.

One is Turkey, Chicken, Lamb and Fish or one is Salmon. The link is to the dry salmon but you can find the other links on the site too. They list all their ingredients on the site and information.

 http://www.canidae.com/cats/grain-free-cat-food-with-salmon/dry.html

Stores in Rockford, IL (not sure if this link will work for you)

http://www.canidae.com/company/storelocator.html

I have to get my dog food from a local specialty pet store. They sell tester packets there which is a small little bag full of the food to see if your pet will eat it without having to buy a full bag. If you would like I can stop by there and see if they offer the dry food samples for this particular product or even buy you one of the cans and ship it to you. If so just let me know what you would like.

This pet store rocks as I get every 11th bag free!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on September 19, 2010, 08:22:29 AM
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i have a crank, but it's cumbersome.

Story of my LIFE.


bwahahahaha
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 19, 2010, 10:39:53 AM
That food looks like it's worth a try, and tester bags?? Hell yeah! Thanks :)

Last night bf and I went out and got home around midnight or so and I tried to get her to eat a pill with some treats. She ate a couple of the treats but looked at me like I was offering her poison when she got to the pill. Goddammit. It's just a freakin pepcid inside of a gel cap, you can't even smell it! But like I said, she ate a couple of treats. And then about 2 minutes later (a whole 2 minutes!) I hear the vocalization she does before she barfs. And then she barfed all over the place. Two little cat treats, poor thing. It's obvious it is very uncomfortable, as barfing is for us humans, too.

This morning I woke up and she was meowing like she wanted food and was very excited to see the fancy feast come out. I gave her like a milliliter of the stuff but of course I had to try to hide the pill in there. She saw how little it was and scoffed and walked away. So I left it for her with two bits of kitten chow while bf and I went to eat. Came home now and the wet food was about 2/3 gone and I couldn't find any piles of puke anywhere! YAY!

I'm unbelievably happy that my cat didn't vomit up three grams of cat food? I guess it's the little things.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on September 20, 2010, 06:21:41 PM
It hasn't rained here in a long time, and it's so dry that the squirrels are desperate enough to try to come on the deck to get to the cat's water bowl. The cat sits in the chair next to the bowl of water, daring the squirrels to come get some. Major fun for the cat, major pisser for the squirrels. The squirrel won't give up easily. He seems to think if he bitches loud and long enough at the cat, the cat will leave or something. Ha.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 20, 2010, 06:35:21 PM
Squirrels are actually built to be chased; they cooperate to lead predators away and discourage them by tiring them out.  They do the velociraptor tail-jink with a fluffy tail fake that's impossible not to fall for, and they have a variable unpredictable gait when running away.  That squirrel was probably hoping to irritate the cat enough to get it to give chase, then lead it up a tree and ditch it, and then come back for the water.

The tail-jink, alas, does not work on cars.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on September 21, 2010, 05:58:52 AM
You're probably right, but the cat wasn't falling for it. The tree that is right by the deck is the tree sits in to taunt the cat. That tree is the one tree that the cat climbs on a regular basis. I've found him sleeping in it several times. They were both in the tree at one point last night, separated by only a few branches. The cat knows better than to give chase on the ground though, or maybe he's just too lazy. I think that's why he's enjoying this situation so much. It's like the crocodile in the pond at the oasis.

On the car thing, just a few days ago I saw a squirrel dart out into the road and run between the tires of the car in front of me, going about 40mph. I swear it looked like he passed between the front tires, came out on the other side, turned around and ran back through the back tires. It's pretty cool when they get it right, but they so often don't.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 24, 2010, 02:58:57 PM
Man, this cat is acting weird.

The vet put her on some prednisolone 2x/day for the first week, 1x/day for the second, and 1x/every other day after that, for a few weeks. Anyway, she is acting weird. Drinking a lot more, eating a lot more (yay, but still not "enough"), and generally acting depressed. She sits by the window all day and doesn't really come when I call her like she used to. Like, if I'm in a different room and I call her, she'd usually be like, "O hai I'm not in the same room as hoomin must go explore." Now, it's nothing, or else I have to call and call. This afternoon when I got home from class she was curled up on the sofa and she didn't even lift her head when I said hi to her. This is the majority of her time, but there's a period about 1-2 hours after I give her the med where I notice she's very restless. She wanders room to room, meowing and looking worried. Yes, cats can look worried. I hope she goes back to normal once she's done with the steroids.

Anyway, now she's sacked out on the floor laying in the sun, so that's normal.

Oh and she hasn't vomited since we went to the vet on Monday, though she's still picky about what she'll eat. Still Kitten Chow for the time being.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on September 24, 2010, 03:10:08 PM
Poor kitty.  Steroids can be uncomfortable.  Glad she's eating more, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on September 24, 2010, 03:23:03 PM
:(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 24, 2010, 03:25:28 PM
My old dog has perked up considerably after a major diarrhea attac ...which reminds me I have to hose off the deck before Mom shows up tonight. Eep.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on September 24, 2010, 03:33:52 PM
The vet just left me a message that there are things we need to discuss re the results of Bo's bloodwork.  No emergency, but call her Tuesday when she's back in the office.  :nonplused:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 24, 2010, 03:37:13 PM
Mmm. Lately to us that generally means the vet computer has identified $50 or $80/month of things your pet doesn't really need but wouldn't hurt so the vet will recommend you buy them. I would not fret.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on September 24, 2010, 03:52:16 PM
Of course you would.  You're a guitar player!  :jam:

(Here - I'll do it for you:  :hisey:)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 27, 2010, 08:25:24 PM
Artemis is doing well, tapering down her prednisolone dose over the next few weeks, so hopefully she'll stop acting so weird...

This afternoon I took a nap for about an hour or so and when I woke up I flung my leg over to one side of the bed and heard growling. Oops, that'll wake you up. She was curled up under the comforter right next to me. Luckily there was zero physical damage done, though she may be a little traumatized.

She's sitting next to me now, twitching in her sleep, no doubt dreaming that some massive thigh is coming to suffocate her in her sleep.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on September 28, 2010, 02:28:01 PM
Bo's new diagnosis:  hyperthyroid plus mild kidney disease that may be exacerabated by treating the thyroid.  Vet wants to start him on a low dose of thyroid meds, switch to a kidney-friendly diet, and check his numbers in a month.

May be able to keep his thyroid and kidneys in line for a few more years; may be beginning of the end.  :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on September 28, 2010, 02:48:38 PM
:hug:  :cry:

Pets will kill you via emotional curb-stomping.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on September 28, 2010, 02:51:58 PM
Seriously.  Why do I do this to myself again?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 28, 2010, 02:58:47 PM
:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on September 28, 2010, 03:14:00 PM
Unconditional love and to feel a connection to nature
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 28, 2010, 03:40:09 PM
You do it because Bo's awesome.
Some other little furry dealie might not be that important to you but Bo is ;)

Same reason I put up with my little shit machines.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 28, 2010, 04:50:58 PM
Well, if it's any consolation, and it should be, hyperthyroidism in kitties is INCREDIBLY common and is usually quite manageable with meds. It's good that they caught it! You know how cats are about being stupidly good at hiding when they're not feeling good.

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 08, 2010, 03:45:08 PM
My cat is sitting in the middle of the rug . . . near as I can tell, she's washing another cat that isn't there.  She looks like she's holding something down with one paw (something possibly her own size) and licking it aggressively, but there's nothing there.  Nothing visible, anyway.

Never seen her do that before.  It's hypnotic, and a little worrisome.  And she's not stopping, either.  

Bizarre.



edit:  When I say she's licking it, I mean she's licking the invisible thing, not her own paw.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on October 08, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
Has she been playing with that catnip toy?

Oh, I am getting a new foster dog after work today, wish me good things please.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 08, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
Well, Andy hasn't peed in the house in like a week, but Kooky has coughed up 2 furballs.  This morning's was extra-nasty.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on October 08, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
We are going to the House Rabbit Society Shelter to look at bunnies tomorrow.

There is a very high possibility of us getting a Flemish Giant.

(http://www.bunnyblab.com/podcasts/FGnDog.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 08, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
You guys are such good bunny parents.  I'm glad you're thinking of bringing another one home.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 08, 2010, 04:24:05 PM
Waaaaant
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 08, 2010, 04:25:39 PM
My cat is sitting in the middle of the rug . . . near as I can tell, she's washing another cat that isn't there.  She looks like she's holding something down with one paw (something possibly her own size) and licking it aggressively, but there's nothing there.  Nothing visible, anyway.

Never seen her do that before.  It's hypnotic, and a little worrisome.  And she's not stopping, either.  

Bizarre.



edit:  When I say she's licking it, I mean she's licking the invisible thing, not her own paw.

I've only seen my cat do this when there's something stuck in her mouth, like a piece of my long hair or something. You should check her mouth parts and make sure everything is where it ought to be and there isn't anything where there oughtn't to be. Usually when my cat would do something like that though it's very obvious what she is doing, and she seems more frantic.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 08, 2010, 04:26:09 PM
We are going to the House Rabbit Society Shelter to look at bunnies tomorrow.

There is a very high possibility of us getting a Flemish Giant.

(http://www.bunnyblab.com/podcasts/FGnDog.jpg)

OMG! Doooo eeeet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on October 08, 2010, 04:28:08 PM
I vote yes for monster bunny.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on October 08, 2010, 04:30:44 PM
Here is the actual bunny in question:
(http://www.houserabbitga.org/adoptablebuns/photos/Braveheart.jpg)
he isn't fully grown yet. The previous photo is of an adult Giant.


edited to add: I can neither confirm or deny the consideration of the name Andre for this particular critter
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 08, 2010, 04:39:02 PM
HA!!

Yes my vote is yes to get Greenie the Giant.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 08, 2010, 04:39:30 PM
This can't be true, because just this morning Lilia told me there are no giants in our world.  Other worlds, yes.

But seriously, yay bunny!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on October 08, 2010, 04:40:01 PM
Waaaaant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgj6gL1eZLA&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on October 08, 2010, 05:21:56 PM
Holy Night of the Lepus Batman!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 08, 2010, 05:31:22 PM
Waaaaant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgj6gL1eZLA&feature=player_embedded


 :lol: :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on October 08, 2010, 06:03:21 PM
what the hell is a "morumotto" ?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 08, 2010, 08:05:35 PM
Herro, morumotto!

If I'm going to hell for that, Motorola's entire marketing department is coming with me to be my slaves there.

That vid is awesome.  The kids waving their hands in frantic spirit-fingers excitement is as good as the cavies, but I particularly like the last pig, with its fancy trotting and its boar coloration.  Nice.

Giant bunnies . . . irresistable.  On par with capybara.


My cat has nothing wrong with her mouth, but rather with another somewhat slightly smaller organ located a bit further back.  She's just extra-special, probably as a result of being the runt of her litter.  We blame everything on that, but she was full-on runtastic, right down to her solid black fur.  Her litter was Siamese / Maine Coon, and the rest of them look it.

She played with her new catnip mouse like three times, and then YT's cat predictably stole or lost it.  It's gone, man.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 08, 2010, 09:37:39 PM
I can probably make her some replacements.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 09, 2010, 12:21:14 AM
It's a sweet offer, but what she needs is that other cat shipped out of here.  This is her retirement home, and her major stipulations were that I was here and there were no other cats.  She's seriously pretty annoyed and does not understand explanations of WTF.

YT keeps making little efforts to move out, but the real problem is there isn't anywhere else around here cheap enough.  I've arranged for him to get some more hours at our other locations, doing grunt work, and he keeps applying for other jobs.  The head shop just let four people go because K2 and salvia were apparently banned here.  :lol:  They knew that day was coming.  He applied at Urban Outfitters, but the guy who worked there and who was recommending him for the job collapsed drunkenly on my couch, and YT, as usual, slept through his alarm the next day, missing his interview and making his inside connection an hour late for work.

Oops.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on October 14, 2010, 04:25:59 PM
so, yesterday one of my mom's dogs had a seizure. (followed soon after by another.) she's a really sweet older pit. i think she's 13ish.

i'd never seen a dog have a seizure like this. she refused to go down. it looked like she was telling herself she could walk it off. you could tell it also scared the shit out of her, trying to tell her legs what to do and them not following directions.

it broke my heart not to be able to help her. she really is a sweet dog. i don't think i've ever heard her bark. now if only i could get her to stop slurping on her anus right in front of me while i'm watching tv.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: dogbone on October 14, 2010, 08:20:38 PM
now if only i could get her to stop slurping on her anus right in front of me while i'm watching tv.

I dated that chick in 1990.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 15, 2010, 08:13:12 AM
Limber!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on October 17, 2010, 07:59:54 PM
doxies are not good car dogs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on November 17, 2010, 07:27:47 PM
Dogs are amazing how they not only empathize with human emotions, but can commiserate with the entire human experience.  Take my pugs for instance.  They immediately sensed that I woke up sick this morning.  They recognize my need to rest in bed today and have adjusted their behaviors accordingly.

"We want to go outside.... No... Inside... Back outside.... Changed our minds... Inside again... No, wait..."

And then in an ultimate show of solidarity, pug#1 threw up at my feet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 17, 2010, 07:29:25 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 17, 2010, 08:29:38 PM
I've had girlfriends like that.





Well, except human, I mean. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 18, 2010, 11:49:54 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 18, 2010, 12:58:01 PM
Yeah. The dogs know when I'm stressed out because they chew up things like running irrigation lines and shit in unusual places. This helps me relax.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 18, 2010, 01:22:13 PM
Pets are awesome.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 18, 2010, 01:24:31 PM
I'm irritating all of Faceboot with noob updates. I'm like a human vuvuzela.  PIIIIIIGGGGGGSSSSSSSSBBBBBZZZZZZ  :diabolical:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 18, 2010, 01:31:57 PM
In more "pets are awesome" news, my vet loves my cat - apparently he is the easiest cat to regulate (med-wise) ever.  His thyroid numbers are perfect, his kidneys aren't any worse, and he's gained 3/4s of a pound.  That's my boy!  :D
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 18, 2010, 01:39:05 PM
w00t!
 :detta:  :headbang: :banana:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 18, 2010, 01:39:37 PM
Pets are awesome.

NOT MY PETS - MY PETS ARE SHITS.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on November 18, 2010, 03:55:45 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/TORpkrtGo6I/AAAAAAAAEG0/MlemGt5qNeY/s640/dogs46.png)

(i can't stop laughing at her latest story.)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on November 18, 2010, 04:14:52 PM
The rabbits have officially acquired names. We fought one of them, but the Eman was adamant.

The all white girl bunny with white eyes is named Ginger.

The mostly white boy bunny with brown ears, stripe down his spine, and around his eyes is Danger.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 18, 2010, 04:19:49 PM
Ginger . . . maybe.  Danger is a very cool name for a rabbit.

YOU COWARDS, IT'S ONLY A DOG!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on November 18, 2010, 04:49:06 PM
Back in the day Cadbury (the bunny) was the incumbent pet and we brought Bear the puppy home.  Cadbury let the puppy know who was boss.  Bear grew to be 80 pounds and still respected Cadbury's authority.  Cad died 5 or six years ago at the age of 13 and Bear is still kicking (well mostly napping) at age 13 and a half.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 18, 2010, 04:51:19 PM
"That rabbit's dynamite!"
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 18, 2010, 07:14:49 PM
Both the cats have really tuned into my wellness levels since this whole cancer thing started. They will both sleep on the bed when I'm in it (which is sometimes all day), which they never did before (partly because of Tunie's jealousy).

Since Pepper has also been sick, she has been much more affectionate and clingy to me. The vet never did find a cause for her weight loss and rapid breathing -- we started feeding her a prescription canned food, and feed them in different rooms now, and she gaining weight back and her breathing is mostly normal.

Now that i'm home all day, I've seen more of their interactions. I'm thinking Pepper's problem was anxiety related, because Tunie at times will get very jealous and attack and bite Pepper if she's been on my lap, or it's perceived that Pepper is getting more attention than Tunie. Pepper's breathing still gets fast when she's getting harassed by Tunie.

Postscript: Somehow last night Pepper got into the bathroom cabinet under the sink, and Tunie shut the door behind her.  :trance:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 18, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on November 21, 2010, 10:16:05 PM
Pug poop on the kitchen floor.  First time in over three years.  I'm furious.

This was no accident.  This is a message.  This is a horse head beneath my bedsheets.  :angry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 21, 2010, 10:33:54 PM
Oog.  Not good.  But at least it wasn't in your bedsheets.  When the tenant's cat upsets my cat badly enough, that's the horsehead left for me.

Sometimes it occurs while I'm sleeping, too.  I usually wake up just after a critical moment.  And this is why it's really meant to be a one-cat household.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on November 21, 2010, 10:58:48 PM
 :angry:

See?  And that's why their little necks are so easy to twist.  It's a test.  Humanity is all about self control, huh?

Oooh, they're so lucky with those adorable, luscious eyes.  Otherwise, they've got little to nothing going for them.  Well, besides the adoration and unconditional love.  But sometimes THAT'S HARDLY ENOUGH!

Bastard dogs.  Yeah, I said it out loud.  Sons of bitches.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 21, 2010, 11:03:30 PM
Quote
It's a test.  Humanity is all about self control, huh?

That's why children act like children.  And there you don't even get unconditional love!


Quote
Bastard dogs.  Yeah, I said it out loud.  Sons of bitches.

:lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 22, 2010, 04:57:02 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: tangerine on November 23, 2010, 12:15:06 AM
Quote
It's a test.  Humanity is all about self control, huh?

That's why children act like children.  And there you don't even get unconditional love!

Cats are a great source of conditional love.  :)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 23, 2010, 10:39:30 AM
Yes . . . that is what makes them so fiendishly addictive . . . .
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on November 29, 2010, 02:28:16 PM
Scooter has pooped in the house three times the past week.  I'm going to quit protecting her from Ian The Destroyer.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on November 29, 2010, 02:32:02 PM
Before you unleash, are you sure she isn't having some health issue?  Just axing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on November 29, 2010, 02:37:06 PM
I think it has something to do with the below freezing temperatures.  But she's going in to the vet this week for her annual check up.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 29, 2010, 11:51:34 PM
From the look she gave me, I think Pupuli's solid notices in the heated bed are supposed to be communicative. Unfortunately for her, I am too dumb to understand it, and too lazy to keep cleaning the bed and laying it out for her.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 03, 2010, 05:04:57 AM
O HAI I'MA KISS YOU ON THE LIPS WITH MY COLD RUNNY NOSE WHILE U SLEEP

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on December 03, 2010, 11:33:17 AM
You sleep with the Welder?   ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 03, 2010, 12:16:36 PM
Not anymore. He dumped me for some hot chick :P
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 03, 2010, 02:25:36 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on December 03, 2010, 02:47:41 PM
:rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 04, 2010, 06:01:53 AM
Awoken by the Welder's kiss™ again this morning.  He's learned a new tactic to get me out of bed and get fed. So I feed him and I can't go back to sleep. Of course the first thing he does after eating is go right back to sleep.

:eyeroll:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on December 04, 2010, 02:10:43 PM
 :lol:  Me too!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 04, 2010, 03:03:43 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on December 04, 2010, 05:15:58 PM
:galm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on December 05, 2010, 08:06:25 AM
My four men's best friends work together as a team to get me up when they are ready.  One dances on the wood floor clicking her dagger nails, one does the cold wet nose to the face or neck, one moans and whines and one just hops up on the bed and steps all over me.  I have to say, it's rather effective.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on December 05, 2010, 05:47:55 PM
Cat just woke up from a nap as I was sitting here eating a chicken sandwich, studying. I saw her licking her lips like it was barf-time and sure enough, she jumped off the sofa and hurled on the floor. Substantial hairball, but I digress. She recovered and after everything was clean and I was settling back she decided it was time to come visit. I shooed her because sorry, no, you can't sit on my laptop, I need it. So she proceeded to stand on some papers and stick her face in my pencil case and start biting pens and other contents including post-it notes and flags. Cats make sense.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on December 05, 2010, 06:52:19 PM
NOOOOOOOO! The four beasts, actually just two of them, have destroyed my mini me's BRAND NEW Pillow Pet!  :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on December 17, 2010, 10:30:54 AM
I'm beginning to realize what a terribly stupid idea it is to put this cat in a crate and drive to Maryland. Throw in the possibility that we might be taking bf's dog and I am truly questioning our mental health.

I think my problem is I don't have enough organic stress in my life, so I feel the need to create this artificial horror.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on December 17, 2010, 09:20:11 PM
That's not my idea of a peaceful trip. Unless your cat is this calm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm3dm5J5r0A&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 18, 2010, 05:49:45 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on December 29, 2010, 02:41:23 PM
The cat appears confused (and now with the butthurt). She never bugs me for people food except for select items. One of those is rainbow sherbet, which I had some of last night and gave her some and endured carpet cleaning not long after, but I digress. Just now I was fixing lunch and she was meowing and circling my feet because I opened a can of refried beans. WTF, cat?

I've had cats before who would hear a can opener from any spot in the house and come running, but this one never does that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 05, 2011, 08:51:10 PM
About an hour after I got home last night (so, 11-ish) I realized that I hadn't seen the cat.  Usually she runs to meet people at the door.  I called her and heard a muffled meow, so I went around the house looking in all the rooms, opening doors, etc.  Nothing.  I went back downstairs and called again, again got some meows back.  Punk said "Is she outside?!"  I opened the door and she wandered in.  She'd been out for 2 or 3 hours!  She was very happy to see me, but seemed fine, if a little extra-fluffy.

She is an indoor-only cat.  She has her shots and is fixed, but isn't wearing a collar.  If she hadn't come back we never would have known what happened to her!  I would have concluded that she was dead under a pile of clothing somewhere.  We never would have thought to look outside.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on January 05, 2011, 09:53:47 PM
OMG! I would be so worried! I am glad you heard her before you went to bed and she was smart enough to come to the door and mew. Our cats are all indoor as well and they don't seem quite bold enough to slip out the door but they've gotten damn close to it before. (Certainly they've gotten themselves locked out on the porch a couple times and I'm always afraid they'll manage that right before we leave for a weekend or something. I count tails like three times before I leave just to make sure.)

Our current cat news is that we got a Furminator for Xmas. This is a srs tool. I am amazed at the quantities of hair. There appears to be a reduction in barfing/hairballing since we started using it on them maybe every other day. They are Not Pleased about it though. Our youngest refused to talk to us for a day after we brushed her the first time with it. She was very, very put out and her face - it was kind of hilarious. Finally she deigned to sit on the bed as usual but down near our feet with her back to us and we weren't to pet her.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 05, 2011, 11:37:46 PM
Oh god dammit

I *just* finished reading this post when the cat, who had been snoozing peacefully next to me on the sofa, woke up, started licking her lips in that way she does, bolted off the sofa and hacked up a ginormous hairball on the carpet. I was like holy hell that was in your stomach?! I am not consistent with her brushing, I admit, and I've been away from her for four days and I didn't ask my bf to brush her, so I guess that's part of it. Grr. But win: she didn't barf at all at his house! (Probably too busy cowering in the empty bedrooms, out of reach of the husky.)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 06, 2011, 05:03:34 AM
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the cat, who had been snoozing

You just thought she was snoozing. I think she was reading over your shoulder. She wants a Furminator and she showed you why she needs one  :P

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I would have concluded that she was dead under a pile of clothing somewhere.

Is it wrong to  :lol: at this comment?

My cat goes in and out so much, sometimes I lose track and feel I'm certain he's inside hiding somewhere. I've gone around the house before looking under the couch and stuff like that, getting kind of panicky to finally find him outside, looking at me like, "what??"
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 06, 2011, 10:27:31 AM
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I was like holy hell that was in your stomach?!

Yes, thank god humans can't (and don't need to) barf up something proportional.  I'd have to cough up something weighing over fifteen pounds.  No thank you.

Fortunately, I'm able to limit my craving for loose hair, spiderwebs, etc.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 06, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
I drove Drew to the airport at 7AM this morning. I just got home and the pigs ignored me when I said "hey pigs." I crawled in to bed because I've been up all night and right as I roll over to crash out ... EEEEEP EEEEEP EEEEEP! So I get out of bed and check on them.

I got ignored. I think they just wanted to see if I'd come running.  :gfy:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 06, 2011, 11:10:48 AM
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7631/taxe.swf
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 06, 2011, 01:10:56 PM
What's with the teeth?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 06, 2011, 01:19:59 PM
you know, i thought the same thing.

it does look just like my mom's doxie.

she doesn't feel good right now. all the dogs are pretty mopy and confused.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 10, 2011, 11:14:14 AM
Gah. Old dog keeps getting more expensive. Latest vet appointment resulted in another new prescription. Now every morning she gets a teensy half pill of tramalamadingdong or something. Trolololo? Anyway, it's perked her up considerably. She's practically jogging now. We went for a long walk for the first time in a while saturday and she loved it! Puppy is insane with jealousy, but he can take walks too if he behaves. Ha. Vet also says work on building up her back leg muscle tone and recommended ... get this ... hydrotherapy treadmill workouts. Coincidentally enough this is a service they offer (at the related groomer's next door). We might actually try this, it's not as expensive as the drugs.

ETA: In case it's not obvious from the name? Dog stands in chest-high (on the dog) water and walks on submerged treadmill. YES I KNOW. On the other hand it's good Space Dog training.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 10, 2011, 11:24:12 AM
Y'all can't go somewhere where there's a pond to jump in? Though I guess you'd blow as much gas getting there and back as you would just going to the doggie hydrospa.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 10, 2011, 11:26:16 AM
It needs to be more controlled than just walking around in water.  That's something I would love to get into.  I am seriously considering quitting my job and going to school to be a vet tech, physical therapy would be and option of specialization.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 10, 2011, 11:29:12 AM
The last time I had a pet in a tub, I learned the question to "42."
Little Bit shit 42 times in the span of 5 minutes. I actually counted them because ... WTH Little Bit?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 10, 2011, 11:44:13 AM
Cat's having bathroom problems.  Well, she's got extremely long fur and won't let me trim it near her butt, so these things occasionally happen.  Sometimes it's bad enough so that it requires intervention, but she doesn't want to let me check, either.

I came back from work just now, and she was on her sun couch in the big dining room window, being all mellow.  I teased her into scratching on the pad and patted her butt to make her hike it.

I lean over to see if intervention is necessary back there and take a long look, as the fur sometimes makes a visual inspection difficult, and just as I'm deciding it's OK . . . I look out the window and see a neighbor standing in his backyard, about fifteen feet away, staring at me.

DON'T YOU JUDGE ME.




:eyeroll:  FML.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 10, 2011, 11:53:44 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 10, 2011, 12:10:37 PM
Y'all can't go somewhere where there's a pond to jump in? Though I guess you'd blow as much gas getting there and back as you would just going to the doggie hydrospa.

There's an ocean, but I think at her age she'd like it a bit warmer than the one we have here. She was never a water loving dog.

I'm still :rollin: at the cat butt inspection caught by the neighbor. That's comedy gold.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 10, 2011, 02:54:48 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on January 10, 2011, 02:57:41 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 10, 2011, 06:17:26 PM
It's Tramadol.  Bear takes it when he's on prednisone (which my wife always gets confused with progesterone).  When he's not on prednisone he takes damnitshitforbranes I forgot the name of it.  But it works wonders on the almost 14 year old guy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on January 10, 2011, 07:04:48 PM
  When he's not on prednisone he takes damnitshitforbranes 

Is there a generic for that? Maybe darnitpooforbrains
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 10, 2011, 07:46:06 PM
I wish there was a generic for damnshitforbrains. It costs like $50 a month. And that's on top of the tramalamadingdong and the vitamins.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 10, 2011, 08:02:42 PM
They charge $80 for the damnitshitforbranes.  But it works.  I still can't remember the name.  I'll have to look at the vial when I give Bear his meds tomorrow morning.  Well that is if the damnitshitforbranes remembers tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 10, 2011, 08:57:38 PM
Jeez.  I feel like a wimp for thinking my generic allergy med is expensive.  It's like $15 for three months.  I suppose if I bought it in one-month batches, it would seem cheaper, but then it costs $8 a month, so . . . .
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 10, 2011, 09:20:58 PM
$80! :trance:

Is damnshitforbranes Deramaxx? It's an NSAID, and old dog's on that too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 10, 2011, 09:24:32 PM
This reminds me I need to get more metronidazole for the cat, lest she start the pukin' again. I'll give her the last quarter of a pill tomorrow morning, but luckily the vet's open late tomorrow. I should just ask them for a script so I can have it filled at the Walgreens with all of my pills.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 10, 2011, 09:27:57 PM
Metronidazole? OK that sounds like an antifungal for something you contract in a city. No?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 10, 2011, 09:52:02 PM
Yeah, pretty much. Heh. They use it for giardiasis I think, among other things. Somehow at low doses it has anti-inflammatory effects in the gut, which is nice for an animal who has inflammatory bowel disease. She'll have to be on it forever, pretty much.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 10, 2011, 10:47:33 PM
Metacam FTW. Carmen loves it, and now responds to "Hey Carm, want your dee licous drrrrugs?"
(It's honey flavored)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 10, 2011, 11:44:48 PM
Pupuli just noticed I have strings coming out of the bandage on my leg (the leads for the electrostim pads). I ... may have problems with this.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 10, 2011, 11:48:42 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 11, 2011, 12:16:42 AM
Distraction, STAT! Where's the laser pointer?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 11, 2011, 01:18:51 PM
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 11, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
Human-Like Toy Detected

ANNNK ANNNK ANNNK ANNNK ANNNK
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 11, 2011, 04:22:09 PM
Maybe tonight when I clean my wounds I will take a picture of my hands, arm, and side.  It's pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 11, 2011, 04:42:47 PM
Maybe tonight when I clean my wounds I will take a picture of my hands, arm, and side.  It's pretty sweet.
I can't remember what happened to you. I'm going to take advantage of the surgery amnesia card and ask - what wounds?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 11, 2011, 05:01:39 PM
Cat had a panic attack while I was holding her this morning.  I forget that not everybody checks facebook all the time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 11, 2011, 05:13:08 PM
And Facebook uses an algorithm to decide what to show you in the new feed. Ouch, though...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 11, 2011, 06:59:09 PM
Yep Deramaxx.  And why aren't pet meds available as an FSP?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 11, 2011, 07:01:08 PM
You mean so you can spend FSA account money on it? :hmm:
That would be rad, considering how much $ these damn mammals are costing me to maintain.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 11, 2011, 07:04:10 PM
Exactly.  We almost had leftovers last year and it would have been better if I could have just done one $160 deramaxx script rather than doing a Costco run and loading up on a couple year supply of the standard OTC meds.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 11, 2011, 09:00:51 PM
I'd love to have the pets on the insurance.

And my wife sympathizes, Fef. Greyson was in her arms at the beginning of one of the Northridge aftershocks. The scars on her breast have faded, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 12, 2011, 05:13:08 PM
more pig mischief . . . .

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/852422-police-raid-cannabis-factory-and-discover-its-home-for-guinea-pigs
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 13, 2011, 12:15:59 PM
so, something's wrong with my mom's doxie. seems to be a muscle spasm or pinched nerve in her neck. causes her a lot of pain. she hurts herself just moving when she's laying down. poor, pathetic little dog. it's going to cost almost $1000 to treat her. oh, well, hope it works and she's fine.

the weirdest thing is the "biohazard waste" charge on the bill, $4.99. really? a pooping charge?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 13, 2011, 12:19:08 PM
Is for pooping?  Did they take blood or anything that they also have to dispose of?  Or maybe it's just a surcharge they spread out on everyone's bill?

:shamrock: for the dog.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 13, 2011, 12:19:55 PM
That's for syringe/needles/tubing etc. disposal.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 13, 2011, 10:15:58 PM
poor little crickett has a ruptured disc in her neck. the vet said it had happened before, twice. i guess she just suffered through it before. lots of steroids and no rough housing for a few weeks.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on January 13, 2011, 10:17:40 PM
That sucks, but it is very common in wiener dogs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 16, 2011, 01:56:48 PM
Tunie has become increasingly difficult to deal with in the last few months. We figured out part of Pepper's health problems were stress related, due to Tunie bullying her.

We hadn't noticed this before, because when both Steve and I were working, whether at our respective newspaper offices, or we were both home telecommuting, we didn't notice the behavior going on during the day, because we were both in our offices. In the evening they were just mellow and mostly watched TV with us or took naps.

Tunie's always been a high strung cat. We originally got Pepper because Tunie was alone so much when we were working and seemed terribly lonely.. 

But since I've been home and been sick, and since Pepper also got sick (there might be some sympathy pains there too, I don't know) Tunie's been increasingly jealous of Pepper, even though we've made a concerted effort to make sure Tunie gets enough attention.

Basically anytime Tunie get reprimanded for bad behavior, it escalates. One of her tactics is to show her disapproval of the cleanliness of the litter box (when it is still relatively fresh) by pissing in one of the bathroom sinks. Which is pretty smart, when you think about it -- and least she's not pissing on the carpet, or curtains, the bed, etc. It's easy to clean up.

But then she will attack Pepper, who is declawed, sometimes for no reason, or sometimes directly as a result of one of us giving Pepper some attention (while Tunie is in some other part of the house -- she'll rise from a dead sleep and come running if she hears Pepper is being spoken to).

While Pepper does her best to defend herself, she has a hard time fighting back. Tunie likes to "butt bite" Pepper when she's feeling Pepper has been getting too much attention -- which would be alright, maybe even playful, if Pepper had the size and claws to give it back. But Pep lost a lot of weight while she was sick (went from 10 to 7 pounds  :(  ) and can't really hold her own against her sister, who has at least four pounds on her now.

So the last straw came this week, when she twice decided to use the bark in the box turtle's enclosure as a litter box. First she pissed right on Eeyore's food dish. Second time, took a dump. Steve is the one who discovered this, and was mortified. No wonder Eeyore wasn't coming out of her hidey hole (a hollowed out half circle of a small tree trunk, like an airplane hangar)...

So I decided to call my brother and ask him if he would consider taking Tunie temporarily, or permanently. He's been wanting a cat for awhile. He and Tunie get along pretty well. I think she would do a lot better to be an "only" cat. She's so needy... she can be super sweet, but she's also got that evil cat streak that has been coming out a lot more than the sweet cat lately. I love Tunie dearly, but this situation is stressing me out, and it's stressing Pepper out, and neither of us need that kind of stress right now.

Zach said he'd take Tunie, but it wouldn't be until next month, after he gets back from vacation.  :love:

Still, I am really sad about this situation. Tunie has always suffered from some kind of emotional trauma she must have experienced as a kitten (we got her when she was 6 months old from a fly by night shelter that probably wasn't very pleasant). She's always been needy, but at the same time, has that pulling away reflex when you try to pet her on the head, like somebody hit her. We have never hit her, but this reflex has remained seven years later.

I just never wanted to be one of "those people" who gets rid of a pet because of bad behavior -- but it's almost impossible to change bad behavior in a cat without completely changing its surroundings, I've come to realize.

 :(

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 16, 2011, 02:15:04 PM
Sounds like you're definitely doing what's best for the cat, though.  She's misbehaving because she's not happy with the situation.  Giving her a situation that should be a better fit for her is the right thing to do.

I'm sure you'll miss her, and vice versa, but it does sound like it's for the best.  They're weird creatures when it comes to social anxiety.  My cat detests other cats, she has absolutely no trust of them, even if it's a cat that always ignores her.  She was the runt of her litter and seems to hold a mean grudge.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 16, 2011, 02:50:41 PM
That's why I stuck to pigs. Time Out always wor .... Little Bit I SEE YOU DOING THAT

BRB
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 16, 2011, 08:48:46 PM
You shouldn't feel bad for doing right by your little furry people.  If their living arrangements aren't right, you can't force it, but if you can change it for the better you are a good mom.  I've had cats all my life and there seems to be something to cats that have had bad beginnings having social issues.  And a cat will hold a grudge til the end of time.  Dogs are way more forgiving.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 17, 2011, 07:33:01 AM
It will be interesting to see how this works out. I wonder if they'll miss each other. I've considered getting another cat many times to keep my cat entertained, but I've always been afraid something like this might happen. My cat is pretty anti-social when it comes to other cats. Other cats in the neighborhood have tried to befriend him, but he wants nothing to do with them, except maybe a fight.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 17, 2011, 09:39:13 AM
Yeah, if you get another kitty, it really has to be for YOU. It's like having kids; you don't have a second because the first one looks lonely or wants a brother or sister. Sometimes big brother or big sister will hate the idea of having a n00b around, but they have to deal with it. Of course it's easier to reason with a human child. Cats aren't social creatures with each other, except in feral colonies. So if some neighborhood cats were trying to befriend your kitty, mo, they possibly were feral. He probably sensed that and was like hey wtf no thanks I don't want to join your cult. When wildkitty saw my cat through the glass door, she was less apt to run away from me, and in fact she was like excited to see her. My cat was all hiss hiss no thanks h8888. It could also just be that my cat is a colossal bitch, but who knows.

I have often times wondered if my cat was lonely or depressed when I'm gone for long periods, but I've decided I was just projecting. A new cat would have so many advantages over my cat, physically, what with Artie's arthritis and tummy problems and age. And she's just not laid back enough I don't think to be like whatevs. My old roommate's cat was like that with other cats. He didn't care who was around, as long as he got fed and got at least some lap/bed snuggle time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 27, 2011, 04:56:58 PM
Anybody here ever use one of those motorized rotating-sander pet nail filing gadgets?

If so . . . do you think it would work on human fingernails?  Seriously, I'm in the Dark Ages, here, using a manual file on my stupid nails.  It makes a mess and takes too long.


edit:  I know they make Dremel-style electric nail files for humans, but that's not a design I particularly endorse.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 27, 2011, 05:37:24 PM
I use an actual Dremel on my dogs.  The pet fake dremels are for crap.  I wouldn't use it on people nails, dogs nails are a lot harder and shaped different.But I have never seen your nails so that's your call.  ;b
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 27, 2011, 06:10:24 PM
I never file my nails. I'm not sure I even understand the point, unless you're just doing something to keep busy while they're dragging the lake  :P

Is it because you've just cut your nails and they feel rough? I run my hands under some hot water after cutting my nails, and they don't feel rough anymore. Maybe my nails are just weird though. This is one of those things I've never even discussed with anyone before. It just never came up.

I have used one of those pumice stone thingees. I don't know what you call them. Not sure if it's even pumice stone - it's white, very light weight, and is abrasive. Sometimes the skin at the edge of my nails gets dry and tough, and that stone thing will take that off.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 27, 2011, 06:13:34 PM
EARWORM
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on January 27, 2011, 06:59:54 PM
My friend got one of those grinders for her dog and said it sucked.  It was ineffective and took way too long to grind the nail back to a good level.

You just reminded me that I need to cut pug #1's nails tonight.  He won't let me touch his paws, but when he's busy eating dinner, he's distracted enough to let me get a few good snips in.

Heck, I should see if I have time to clean out his ears while he's eating too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on January 27, 2011, 07:18:20 PM
I never file my nails. I'm not sure I even understand the point, unless you're just doing something to keep busy while they're dragging the lake  :P

Is it because you've just cut your nails and they feel rough? I run my hands under some hot water after cutting my nails, and they don't feel rough anymore. Maybe my nails are just weird though. This is one of those things I've never even discussed with anyone before. It just never came up.

I have used one of those pumice stone thingees. I don't know what you call them. Not sure if it's even pumice stone - it's white, very light weight, and is abrasive. Sometimes the skin at the edge of my nails gets dry and tough, and that stone thing will take that off.

My nails are thin and tend to chip all of the time. It isn't that the entire nail that sticks out comes out - they get little diggers and cracks and part of them will peel off leaving a rough, bumpy, snaggy surface.

The only thing I can compare it to was the one time I chipped a wee bit off of my front tooth. There was this rough patch that I kept running my tongue over and it drove me nuts. Went to the dentist and he smoothed it down. Same thing for my nails. If I don't file them they snag on everything and have the potential for the snag to pull the remaining part of the nail off down into the quick.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 27, 2011, 09:56:44 PM
My nails are soft, and if they protrude much at all I will inevitably fold them back by accident.  It's happened so many times in my life that just having the nails long at all feels creepy in the first place.  And it would take me even longer to get a smooth edge using clippers than with an emery board.  Metal nail files aren't rough enough -- I hate to spend forever filing away.

Yeah, I'm hard to please.  I know it.

The kind of pet thing I meant has a plastic shield, with a hole in it, around a rotating abrasive disk, so that when you stick a pet toe in there the nail touches the side of the disk (not the edge).  It's not very Dremelish, more like a disk sander.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 28, 2011, 06:55:19 AM
So, are you saying you want to file your nails instead of cutting them? If that's the case, then I can understand why you'd be looking for some powered device.

I guess I should be thankful for my nails. I don't seem to have the issues you guys are talking about. I mean, if they aren't cut smooth, and there's a ragged edge, yeah, that'll bug the hell out of me, but generally just running them under some hot water for a while will soften the edges and they don't snag unless I did a crappy job trimming them.

As I was sitting here thinking about this, I unconsciously started fiddling with my nails and I realized I had one of the dry skin things on my thumb:

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/thumb-1.jpg)

 :P

If I keep fiddling with it, it will peel all the way down the edge of the nail and get really painful. I generally have to trim them off. I sometimes have to trim the skin under the nail too, when it gets all hard, otherwise it bugs me. You can kind of see the skin at the top is hard and dry from handling so much paper at work. It wasn't until I took this picture that I realized how dry my skin looked. I need to put on some lotion. Also, my thumb looks kind of weird here, and it's not, okay? I've got a pretty thumb  :P

Also of note in this picture, you can see the scar going down the right side of my thumb that I got when I picked up a bottle and it broke in my hand. It went down to the bone  :cry: That hurt for years, every time it got cold.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 28, 2011, 07:16:47 AM
An emery board will file down the dry skin, too.  My fingers, from the last knuckle to the tip, are disaster areas if I don't remain vigilant and perform quite a bit of maintenance.  Well, it's quite a bit of maintenance for a guy.

My fingers tend to get beat up a lot.  I'm quite dextrous in some ways and extremely clumsy in others.  I commonly get my fingers crushed or pinched or cut, especially the tips.  I can't reach into a cardboard box without scuffing / scraping / gouging my fingers on the edges half the time, and of course with my job there are a lot of cardboard boxes. 

My brain is careful enough around power tools, but a hammer, etc, means a fair bit of punishment.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 28, 2011, 09:13:20 AM
Your thumb is HUGE mo, do much hitchhiking?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 28, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
I get those thumbnail-edge cracks in the winter, and lately they've been cracking all the way to the meat. Very painful. Like havening permanent paper cuts.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 28, 2011, 10:44:43 AM
Dermabond, man.  Or antibiotic cream and a piece of medical tape.  Those kinds of cracks will heal up if you keep them clean and pulled closed.



edit:  You can probably prevent 90% of them if you moisturize.  I never manage to moisturize on anything approaching a regular basis, though, so I hesitate to even suggest it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 28, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
Trim it with a nail clipper, file the rest down with a fine file (the polishing grit side), and apply Neosporin. It shouldn't bleed or crack that way.
Me? Even though I know that's the right way to deal with it, I just chew big hunks out of my finger and ptttthhhttt them into a garbage can.

SEXY
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 28, 2011, 11:21:06 AM
Yeah, I don't think there is any amount of moisturizing that will keep my fingers from cracking all up in the winter.  When it gets really bad, I resort to using neosporin AS moisturizer.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 28, 2011, 12:09:44 PM
Axe, why don't you just use a pair of nail scissors instead of clippers?  Mine even have a curved tip.  Afterward anything that's not the way you like it will take way less time to file.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 28, 2011, 12:23:43 PM
Cuticle scissors would work well for you I think.  They are thin and curved and easily manuvered.  Just like you.


I keed.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 28, 2011, 01:14:03 PM
I've tried the cuticle scissors, and even the giant agricultural-looking ones made for toenails and whatnot, but my nails are really tough.  Soft and bendy, but tough.  They don't cut well.

The file easily enough, but like I said it's messy and takes longer than I have the attention span for.  It's not really a giant problem, just an annoyance.


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I don't think there is any amount of moisturizing that will keep my fingers from cracking all up in the winter.

Have you tried switching to Palmolive?  You're soaking in it now!

Seriously, though, the soap, it kills your skin.  But maybe if you soak your hands in hot distilled water, then fill two bread bags halfway with Vaseline, and then have someone tie them over each wrist, and wear them all day . . . .

Actually, I had horrible poison ivy (or something similar) years ago, and there were lasting dried skin cracking issues on my hands afterward, seriously ridiculous.  I had no money or health insurance, but I tried soaking my hands in hot water for a bit and then applying cheapass-in-a-tub Cetaphil moisturizer, and then held my hands in the air (while watching TV) until they dried.  That worked amazingly well.  At first I did it morning (after showering) and night, and then just at night, before going to bed.  If I went to bed too quickly, I did get too much moisturizer grease in the bed, but so it goes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 28, 2011, 01:37:40 PM
I have a hangnail and I keep playing with it.  I hope to not reenact one of the more disturbing scenes in Black Swan.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 28, 2011, 02:21:19 PM
Me? Even though I know that's the right way to deal with it, I just chew big hunks out of my finger and ptttthhhttt them into a garbage can.

SEXY


That's what I do too, unless I'm in public. Then I usually just pick at it. If it doesn't come off then, the picking gets it nice and primed for gnawing later.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 28, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
Also when my mom was doing more needlework stuff, she would use lots of udder cream on her hands. I think that was the brand name, but it was also the same purpose. It wasn't greasy so she could still work on her projects.

I have a pathological hatred of lotions that leave my skin feeling even the tiniest bit greasy or smelly (even good smelly) so I am super picky about moisturizers. Of course stuff like Aquaphor and Vaseline are different, because I put those on the big cracks and then usually cover with a sock or glove or whatever so the stuff actually stays where I put it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 28, 2011, 02:28:31 PM
I have a pathological hatred of lotions that leave my skin feeling even the tiniest bit greasy or smelly (even good smelly)

Haha!  Me too.  I used some Philosophy lotion that was in my work bathroom the other day.  When I got home Lilia said "You smell like daddy's mom!" and I was like "nooooooooo".
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 28, 2011, 02:48:05 PM
 :lol:

I use Moisturel unscented which isn't greasy and Neutrogina sensitive skin unscented moisturizers. They're  :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 28, 2011, 03:18:24 PM
Concur, but it's got to be cheap.  No, cheaper than that.  I'm equally miserly and broke.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on January 28, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
I lotion up constantly through the winter. I use body butter b/c it's thicker. Love scented stuff. Body Shop's been my main go-to for a long time but this year I'm using the happy cheap and very citrus-y Joe Fresh stuff.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 28, 2011, 05:31:18 PM
Moisturizing is great if you don't plan on using your hands for a while while it's soaking in, or whatever. I just can't do that.

I should just keep some dermabond around, too. I mean SRV used superglue on his fingers when he shredded them up with his ludicrously large strings, so yearh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 28, 2011, 05:47:59 PM
I tried some Avon Moisture Therapy lotion that someone at work was pushing. It worked so well, I bought like 3 tubes of it. It leaves your hands greasy for like 20 minutes or so, which I hate, but it's the only lotion that has ever seemed to really have a lasting effect on my skin. Others just feel greasy for a while, and the next day the skin's all dry again. I hardly ever use the stuff unless I have a serious problem though. The greasy hands really bug me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 28, 2011, 06:57:32 PM
Man, if I wanted to work things so that I couldn't use my hands for 20 minutes, I'd paint my nails. WHAAT.

/will just continue to grouse and bleed because, hey, they're my only remaining talents
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 28, 2011, 07:11:05 PM
I agree about the Avon Moisture Therapy.  I'm not super fond of the smell but it's a great moisturizer and it's not expensive.  Avon has a good sale on it every once and a while.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 28, 2011, 07:54:29 PM
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Moisturizing is great if you don't plan on using your hands for a while while it's soaking in, or whatever. I just can't do that.

EXACTLY.  I have a hard time taking my hands offline long enough to file my damned nails.  Obviously.


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/will just continue to grouse and bleed because, hey, they're my only remaining talents

Right, me too.

True story:  Back in high school, anytime I was sufficiently depressed or stressed, I would often bleed a little from the base of my fingernails.  This led to one awkward moment in church and complaints from a few teachers about the thin parallel traceries of bloodstains on exams from where I dragged my hand while writing essay answers.

My feeling was, too bad.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 28, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
Meijer had dandelion greens back in stock.  :detta:  The pigs nearly flipped over and exploded when they caught a whiff as I trudged all the other stuff off into the kitchen. I snapped a picture of Little Bit tugging on a leaf and posted it on Facebeat. She really put her weight into it and I almost dropped the bunch into the pen.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 28, 2011, 10:59:30 PM
 :shock:

You had STIGMATA? That is so AWESOME.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 28, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
:rollin:

That is exactly what I almost got busted for in church.  It didn't occur to me until too late that if you hide your bleeding fingertips by making fists, you wind up with bloodstains on your palms, and then you get the weirdest look in your life when you go up for communion.

I don't know how I walk into these things.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 29, 2011, 02:50:38 AM
I have the same problem with my hands not being idle long enough during the day. At Halloween I stock up on cheap cotton gloves and then if I'm having a bad eczema or dry skin problem on my hands, I apply ointment or lotion and put the gloves on right before I go to bed.

Often enough, I wake up and I've worked the gloves off. But at least they were on long enough for the ointment/lotion to soak in.

Somehow over the years I've managed to perfect smooth nails with just a fingernail clipper. :shrug:

ETA: Oh right, this the Pets thread :lol: I've never been able to figure out how to deal with Tunie's long nails, even though she uses the nice scratching object she got for Xmas one year from my brother. She freaks whenever I've tried to cut her nails. I have a few scars on me from those attempts.

Since my brother works at PetSmart, maybe he can figure out something when he takes her.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 29, 2011, 04:43:22 PM
Holy shit ... I looked it up and, if Carmen makes it to May - she'll be seven. I think Downtown Thelma Brown only made it to 6.5

Oldest pig ever. (in my herd)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 29, 2011, 05:36:55 PM
:like:  :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 31, 2011, 02:38:49 PM
Impressive.  Cadbury the bunny was almost 13 when he died.  I remember everytime we moved and were taking him to a new vet and we'd say "he's 10 (or whatever age he was)" and the vet would say "are you sure, rabbits only live to be about 5 years old", and we'd say yeah.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on February 01, 2011, 12:08:37 AM
My wife asked what Kuro was doing. I watched for a moment, and replied, "Hiccups." What do you do for a cat with hiccups?

She suggested I pick him up, since he still freaks out about me. Instead, I just put my hand on his ribs and the hiccups stopped.

I'm not sure I'm happy about this.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on February 01, 2011, 01:16:20 AM
You're cat jesus.  Go forth, and cureth feline leukemia.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on February 17, 2011, 12:06:49 AM
Soooo I have an exam in 11.5 hours and should be studying, but I can't quite stop thinking about this..

A classmate of mine was involved in a pretty bad accident Friday night. She doesn't remember anything, but her brother was in the car and only had minor injuries so was able to let people know what happened. It involved a helicopter ride and a couple of days in the ICU for my friend and even longer in ICU for the driver of the car that apparently hit some ice or something that made her hit my friend's car head on.

Of course since she got to the hospital (she fractured some ribs, her sternum, and a piece of a vertebrae, but otherwise nothing horrible or internal injuries, thankfully) she has been doped up on painkillers and in general just sort of out of it. And she even went home yesterday. But Monday she remembered that when she was driving, her dog was in the car and she asked her mom about him. She'd assumed her brother and mom were taking care of the dog, and everything was fine. But.. no :( The dog didn't make it, and I guess maybe it's because I know my friend is OK this news hit me really hard. I cuddled with Artemis for a while, who was oddly tolerant.

I just feel so bad for this girl. She loves school (obviously, don't we have to to do this to ourselves?) and now she has no car, no dog, she's living with her grandmother about 2 hrs away from here, and she can't go to class for who knows how long, and she'll probably have a huge hospital bill when it's all said and done.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on February 17, 2011, 05:46:04 AM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on February 17, 2011, 08:19:35 AM
:thumbsdn:

Here's hoping for the speediest recovery possible.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on February 17, 2011, 10:08:53 AM
 :( :thumbsdn:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 17, 2011, 10:31:37 AM
:(

I have to say this is something I worry about! I rarely drive the dogs anywhere in the car but when I do I'm extra worried because we don't have seat belts and air bags for them. *fret*
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on February 17, 2011, 01:11:36 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 17, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
Annnd ... I drove the old dog gingerly down to the vet to get her weighed, without incident :)
Annnd ... she's down another pound. :(

:cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on February 17, 2011, 01:36:01 PM
 :(  :(

They make various car restraints for dogs.  I've never used them, but my friend who drives her giant yellow lab around all the time does.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on February 17, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
Yeah, they have a harness for dogs that the seatbelt will loop through so they're kind of forced to sit still in the seat like a little person.  I want one of these.  For now I put them in their crates when I drive them anywhere.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 18, 2011, 07:09:15 PM
I started to post this last night, but never did. The whole story has a relatively happy ending. It's way longer (novel) than it needs to be, but it kind of shows how stressed out I was.

tl;dr - my cat had a sore on his leg. Turned out to be an abscess. Everything is fine.
...............

Thursday

Something is wrong with my cat's leg/foot :(

When I came home from work yesterday, one of the neighbor's Boston Terriers was sitting in my front yard, laying in the sun. I've never seen one of their dogs in my yard, but I didn't mind him being there. They're cute dogs and they're pretty well behaved.

I looked out on the deck, and my cat was laying in the sun on his normal perch. I went out and petted him, and he seemed fine, a little more lethargic than usual, but I assumed that was because he was comfortable roasting in the sun. I went inside and made some coffee, and after a few minutes he was standing at the back door, so I let him in. He jumped up on the kitchen table, which is where I feed him, but he didn't eat anything, which was unusual. Then he moved over to the couch and laid down where I normally sit, which is kind of unusual too. I sat with him, and every now and then he was pushing his hind legs against me, and occasionally they would kind of jerk, like spasms. I touched his feet and legs, feeling around to see if there was anything wrong with them, and he didn't jerk back or anything. Other than that, he seemed like he was just sick.

I noticed a pile of bird feathers in the yard a day or two before, where he or some cat had obviously eaten a bird. When he's eaten birds in the past, he's gotten sick for a day or so, and I guessed that was what was going on last night. He stayed there on the couch for a few hours, and then went and got in bed, and at some point in the night, moved back to the same spot on the couch.

This morning he was still there, looking like he was drugged, but he was purring and acting pretty normal when I petted him. He didn't get up though, and that's where I left him when I went to work and worried about him all day. When I got home today, I was hoping to see him looking out the window, but he wasn't there. I was almost afraid to open the door and look at the couch. I was afraid he'd be laying there dead. He wasn't there though, and I started going through the house trying to find him.

I checked the bedroom, expecting him to be in there sleeping, and then I heard him meow, and found him on his perch here in the computer room. His perch is like 5 feet off the ground in front of a window. I petted him and he seemed about the same as he did this morning, but I noticed one of his legs was kind of trembling. I could tell he still hadn't eaten, so I opened a can of tuna, which he rarely gets, but of course loves, and I put a little on my fingers to take to him to see if he would eat. When I got back to the room, he had jumped down from his perch and was heading towards the kitchen. I bent down and offered the tuna to him, but he wasn't interested.

He then started walking, and by now he was obviously limping, and he hadn't been limping last night. On closer inspection, I could see now that one of his legs was swollen just above the foot. At one point he stopped in the middle of the hall and let out a "merorooow", like he was in so much pain he didn't want to walk any further, but then he started limping towards the back door.

We went outside, and the neighbor's cat (without a tail) was out there, which was weird, because I haven't seen that cat since back in the Fall. I tried to scare him off, which is normally pretty easy to do, but he didn't want to leave. I was afraid he'd mess with my cat, in his weakened state,  because they have never really gotten along. I finally flicked some water with my fingers to get him to run off, but he only went a little ways, and was crying the same type of "merorooow" sound my cat was making. My cat normally doesn't like him being around, but he didn't seem to mind him today.

So then my cat tries to jump up on a little bench to get in a spot to sit in the sun, which is only like 2 feet off the deck, if that, and he couldn't make it. I tried to reach down to pick him up, but he didn't want any help. He then went over to his normal perch, which is like 3-4 feet off the ground, and jumped up onto it, grabbing the carpeting with his front claws and pulling himself up. He laid there licking his leg for a while, and then after a few minutes, the other cat came and sat on the deck, directly below the perch. They've both been sitting in the same spot now for about an hour. I've never seen these two hang out together like that. It's really weird, like the other cat knows there's something wrong with him, like coming to sit with him in the hospital or something.

So anyway, I don't know what's happened to him. My two best guesses are, one, the dog that was in the front yard got a hold of him, or two, and I think this is more likely, he got bitten by a Black Widow, or something like that. The spot where I saw the bird feathers was right next to a tree in the backyard that has a ring of stones around it, and I've seen Black Widows there before. I've also seen my cat sitting under that tree, trying to catch birds.

I guess we'll be going to the vet in the morning unless there's some miraculous recovery. He's only been in the car once, and only to the vet once, and both were terrible ordeals. I don't want to put him through that trauma if it's possible to avoid it.

....................

Friday

As I was typing that, I went out to check on him like every five minutes. I googled "cat bit by black widow", and then started really getting worried. That article linked to another about Brown Recluse bites. There was a line in there that said something like, "Dogs sometimes survive Black Widow bites, cats don't do too well" So I'm really starting to freak, until I find another site that lists symptoms and timelines that don't match up well at all, so I feel a little relieved. I went outside to check on him and pet him, and he finally was sitting in a position that allowed me to see a place on his leg about one half inch round where there was no fur and the top layer of skin was gone. I thought I could actually see bone, but I later found out it was muscle. So now I knew it was some kind of injury, but I didn't know what kind. I looked out at him later, and the area on his leg was all red looking, where it had been white before. I went out to get a closer look, and saw a big pool of clear liquid oozing out of the sore. :sick: Okay, so we're definitely going to the vet in the morning now. I left him outside for a while after dark, checking on him every few minutes. He loves it out there, and it was a beautiful evening. Then one time I go to check on him, and he's not there. I look next door, and there's a girl standing over a barrel with a fire in it, and she's taking a picture of herself by the light of the fire.  :hmm: I don't blame my cat for running away. So I go out and start looking for him and find him in the yard and bring him inside. He stayed right by my side all night.

This morning he ate a little, which was good, and then I packed him up for the trip to the vet. I was as nervous as if I was going to see a member of my family in the hospital. He did better on the trip this time. He didn't freak out when I put him in the carrying case, but he did cry most of the way there. When we got inside the vet's office, he was totally silent.

I got in to see the vet pretty quickly, and she was really cute btw. She was also the first person at that place to get his name. She came in the waiting room and said, "dood!". Everybody else there pronounces it the wrong way. She had his file in her hands, and she read off the card, "be careful".  :lol: He was still pretty wild the last time I took him in, but today he was not himself, and she later told me he had been really good all day, so I was proud of him. She checked him out an told me it was an abscess, caused most likely by a bite from another cat. Probably that fucking tail-less cat from next door.  :angry: She said he also had a fever. He was past due for his booster shots, so I asked if they could go ahead and do that. They can't do that if he has a fever, so they had to keep him for the day so his fever could come down enough. While I was waiting in the little examining room, I'm looking at all these posters and displays that show all the different things that can go wrong with a pet, which makes me more paranoid, so I ask her if there's anything else she would recommend for him, and so he ends up getting tested for feline immunodeficiency virus and gets the vaccination. I noticed last night that tail-less cat had a great big sore on his face, which probably has nothing to do with FIV, but at this point I wasn't taking any chances.

After leaving the office, I remembered that I hadn't given them my cell #, and I also wanted to talk to them about flea treatment. The stuff that I had used in the past - Hartz - had given him reactions like sneezing and coughing. I later come to find out that it's really nasty stuff (http://www.hartzvictims.org/). Anyway, as I'm talking to the receptionist, I tell her that I'm not sure what my doctor's name was, and she asked me what she looked like, and all I could think of to say was "well, she was really cute".

When I went to get him this afternoon, they told me the vet would be right with me. I started wondering why she wanted to see me, and then I start thinking maybe his FIV test was positive. I'm sitting there in the waiting room, which by this time on a Friday afternoon is filled with barking dogs and people trying to talk over them, and this giant fish in a tank right in front of me that keeps staring at me  :eek: and I start getting really uncomfortable.

Finally the vet comes out and takes me back to the exam room, and brings in my cat in his case, and then shuts both the doors.  :uncertain: Then she says he's fine, and I can finally breath again.

She starts talking about what they did and how he was, and takes him out of the box, and I see they've shaved his leg and the size of the wound is more like a one inch circle that looks really nasty. So the vet is being really friendly and sweet, and hops up on the counter to sit, real informal like, and I'm starting to wonder if I'm picking up a vibe here. I start to wonder if the receptionist said something to her about my "cute" comment. She keeps asking me several times if there's anything else I want to ask her, and the only thing in my mind is, "are you married?"  :knotty: and it's blocking out any questions I might have about my cat. I felt kind of guilty in a sexist way, so I never went there, but then I also felt kind of guilty for not showing my interest in her. Gah. I dunno, maybe she was just naturally very sweet. I was definitely smitten though.

Where was I? Oh yeah, the cat. He's fine. Sore and sleepy, confined to quarters until his wound heals, and he has to go back in three weeks for his followup FIV shots.

And yes, I know if I kept my cat indoors, I wouldn't have this problem.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 18, 2011, 07:28:24 PM
Pfft.  Good luck keeping him inside now, after he's been in/out his whole life.

Glad he's okay!  Eeek.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 18, 2011, 08:59:57 PM
Yeah, glad he's OK!  I'm pretty paranoid about my cat any time she's acting funny.  If anything was seriously wrong with her, I probably couldn't afford to treat it, but [knock on wood] she's been a trooper her whole life.

Cats are pretty insanely resilient, given a good environment.

Your vet definitely sounded like maybe she was interested in socialized medicine, but so few people seem to know how to flirt nowadays that I'm not often able to feel sure about that sort of thing, either.  Most people who do flirt now are just doing it ironically, for the lulz, and it's sometimes hard to tell.

But you have an excuse to go back there pretty soon, anyway.  Maybe you should buck up, eh?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on March 18, 2011, 09:06:43 PM
I'm glad he's ok too! Cats can be sneaky when they're not feeling well, so it's good you're attentive.

I have to say as a cat owner I have to laugh and wonder if the vet has ever met a cat when I'm advised to keep her from jumping on furniture. (This has been less of a problem since she's had her old-cat steps, due to arthritis, but still.)

That other cat's face lump may be a result of your cat putting up a fight. Hopefully its owner takes care of that. Cat scratches on people can be bad news (just ask feffer) so it's no wonder they could cause such nasty injuries in each other.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on March 18, 2011, 09:11:39 PM
Awww, poor kitteh. I am glad it all turned out OK.

eldiem you think cats are good at hiding the sick? You should try having a bunneh!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 18, 2011, 11:15:22 PM
But you have an excuse to go back there pretty soon, anyway.  Maybe you should buck up, eh?

Heck yeah. Ze wimmins lurve men who care about their catz. :D
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on March 18, 2011, 11:34:15 PM
It could just be her style of interacting with non-patients. I've been married too long, and don't know the signals anymore.

 :detta: for healing, though. Abscesses can be nasty if left untreated.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on March 19, 2011, 01:00:49 AM
Ooh, glad kitty is okay. Mozilla the big orange cat used to get in fights frequently and would end up with abcesses. bleh.

It's hard to keep them inside. You were right to make sure he's current on his shots, that's the best you can do for a cat that's used to indoor/outdoor life.

I was rubbing Tunie's belly the other day and found this large healed scar -- I haven't been able to let her lay on me much since January, because I was uncomfortable from the radiation burns and now with the sore belly of my own from surgery.

But I can't believe she didn't show some symptoms of having this large wound on her tummy (kind of under where her back leg attaches to her body where you couldn't really see it, or wouldn't feel it if you were just petting her normally).

I worry about her when she escapes -- and she is a professional escape artist -- but at the most she comes back about four hours later, max, probably because she's cold and/or hungry. We've got coyotes that run down the street, racoons, owls, and I don't know what else out there, in addition to the outside cats that taunt her from the other side of the window.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 19, 2011, 04:44:46 AM
I don't feel like I was very attentive. I keep wondering how I missed the sore. I mean I was inspecting him pretty closely that first night he started acting strange, feeling up his feet and stuff. All I can figure is that I just didn't touch the right spot. I don't know exactly how abscesses work, but I assume they don't start out as an open sore like that, and the first night it wasn't visible. Or maybe he was just trying to hide it from me.

I said he was fine, but really, a better description would be stable. He's like Superman with a Kryptonite necklace. He's so pitiful. He can't even jump up on the couch or the bed. He puts his front feet up on whatever he's trying to get up on, he has this worried look on his face, and then he makes an attempt to jump up and fails. I've been picking him up to help him, but it's insulting to him. The doc said he shouldn't be in any pain, but I'm not so sure about that. When she was saying that, she was holding his leg, and flexing it to prove her point, and he didn't react at all. But I dunno, the muscles must be really stiff or something.

And yeah, keeping him inside is not going to be fun. The two reasons to keep him inside are: one, to avoid any more fights/attacks, and two, it's getting really warm down here. It was 80 degrees yesterday. The doc said if flies get on the sore... ew... I'm not going to finish that. Anyway, last night I took him out on the deck and placed him up on his perch since it was cool enough by that time there couldn't have been any bugs out. I sat there and guarded him. He didn't do anything but sleep and occasionally lick on his leg, but I guess it just made him feel more normal. He's not able to do things that he normally can do, so anything that feels more like his normal routine makes him feel better. I know how that is.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on March 19, 2011, 05:35:15 AM
Abscesses are weird. They start from something like a puncture wound from a scratch or bite, but the wound is at first so small -- and closes off pretty quick at first -- that you don't see them for awhile. The infection builds up under the skin in a pocket, until it either bursts outward, or worse, bursts internally.

Cats are so good at either conveniently concealing injuries, or milking injuries for sympathy from their humans. Like with Tunie, I never had any idea she had that gash on her belly -- she didn't act any differently than usual. I feel like a bad mom for not noticing it, but like I said, I couldn't even pick her up for several weeks between January and now.

If you're going to try to keep him in, keep his toys out and engage him as much as you can to distract him from wanting out. We got the best cat toy ever from Steve's dad and stepmom at Christmas, one of those laser pointers (this one is cutely shaped like a mouse). You would not believe how well that gets the attention of our two lollygaggers. And it's been great for me because I can just lay on the couch when I'm not feeling well and zip it around the room for a lot longer than I can if I have to be up and trotting around picking up balls and waving shoestrings.  :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 19, 2011, 05:41:51 AM
My cat's vision is messed up enough that she can't follow the laser pointer if you move it quickly or bring the dot closer than about three feet from her face.  You have to move it s u p e r s l o w l y if you want her to be able to bat at it.

But if you wiggle it across the ceiling, she'll watch that for hours.  Without moving. 

Anytime it moves too fast for her, and she loses it, she starts whipping her head around crazily (like Neil Young), trying to reacquire the target.  It's funny, but it also looks painful.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on March 19, 2011, 08:53:01 AM
When I read your tale last night I thought - oh, I really need to mention xxxxx but by the time I got to the end of the story I had completely forgotten everything except that I wanted to mention something.

Very annoying.

I remembered.

Purring is not necessarily an indication of health. Cats who are in significant pain will frequently purr to self soothe. So if your cat is just sitting there purring loudly for absolutely no reason, it may be a cause for concern. Or they could just be fucking with you, they are cats you know?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 19, 2011, 09:14:21 AM
They also purr to speed up their healing process, so sometimes random purring means they've injured themselves.  Most common fracture in cats is the lower jaw.  If they jump down onto a hard surface from too high up, or just land badly, their head will smack into the ground / floor / whatever.  It usually heals well enough on its own, but sometimes when they're being really finicky about eating, it's because it hurts to chew.  Mashed up extra-moistened soft food may solve the problem.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on March 19, 2011, 11:13:32 AM
Purring is not always a sign of happiness, like axe says, it can also signify pain or injury.  Just like a wagging tail on a dog doesn't always mean he's happy to see you.  Sometimes it means you best stay the f away from me.
Keeping a cat indoors that was a indoor/outdoor cat is not that hard.  You are much bigger than they are.  And there's always tv.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 19, 2011, 11:22:14 AM
Cats can be wily and determined, though.  Especially since domesticated ones seem to confuse humans with cats and think they can just squeeze past you just because.  They have socialization issues.


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Just like a wagging tail on a dog doesn't always mean he's happy to see you.

Sometimes it means I CAN'T CONTROL MY BUTT!  IT'S DOING THAT ALL BY ITSELF!  I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP IT!

Dogs are like that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on March 19, 2011, 11:38:44 AM
I don't think cats (who live with humans) confuse humans with cats I think the assume that they are also human.  Little adult humans, with no thumbs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 19, 2011, 11:49:00 AM
:lol:  Something in between.  They're definitely confused.  Cats bump into each other socially while walking to show a range of things -- mild dominance displays, camaraderie, affection, and so on.  The walk-in-front-of-you-turn-sideways-and-stop maneuver is from the same chapter.  They try to do it to humans even though we tend to trip over them, kick them, or step on their feet.  But many cats (like mine) never learn that the bumping walk doesn't work the same with humans.

Definite confusion going on in there.  They can learn that we provide the food, and some of them learn that we can open doors on request, and they can learn to come running when we make funny noises (although it's much harder to train them to believe they have to come running), but in other regards they're hopeless.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on March 19, 2011, 02:56:20 PM
I got the cat some new treats -- it is getting ridiculously difficult to find "soft" cat treats, which I use to vaguely conceal her medicine twice a day. But I got her regular stuff and I saw they had some Pounce treats that were supposedly soft. I honestly don't know where on the feline DNA rests the instinct to respond immediately to shaking a can of Pounce, but I am positive it exists. She never has this stuff but man she was right at my feet when I shook the can. They're not exactly soft, so I have to kind of crumble them over the capsule and hope she eats it, but they are apparently the most delicious thing ever.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 19, 2011, 03:37:22 PM
My cat will rarely play with anything that isn't interactive. My shoestrings on the one pair of shoes I wear is a notable exception. I have like 5 pairs of shoes that are lying around (I really should do something about that - I never wear them, so I have no idea why they're not in the closet  ;) ) but he has no interest in them, only the ones I wear every day. Sometimes I think he'll be playing with a bug, but it's actually a hair tie that's fallen on the floor. They amuse him for some reason. He's got other toys, like stuffed catnip things, but he usually won't play them unless there's some interaction with me. His favorite is the laser or the fishing pole. I've got an indoor fishing pole and an outdoor one. The indoor one is one that I found in the woods that was broken in half, the outdoor pole is one that I used back in my fishing days. Both of them have a piece of thin black nylon string with a piece of rope tied to the end of them. He loves that. He'll do mid-air flips 3 feet off the ground and other amazing acrobatics.

But he's not well enough for any of that right now. He's just barely hobbling along. He just wants to be outside, not to wander around or anything, just to be there. I sat out with him for a long time this morning while it was still cool, and he didn't do anything but sleep, which was kind of aggravating, because he can do that inside just as well. I'll take him back out again later tonight when it cools down. Spring is really popping here today, so it's especially difficult for him. Full moon too.

I've heard that about purring before, but I don't think I've ever witnessed it. I mean, He'll come up to me, he's not purring, I start to pet him, he purrs. I've never seen him just sit there and purr on his own.

I finally looked at the vet bill today. I knew the Revolution was more expensive, but  :shock: I got the six pack because you get a free dose, and it was over $100. I'll definitely be buying that online next time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: tangerine on March 19, 2011, 10:08:28 PM
Has anybody here ever dealt with kittycat food allergies?  If so, may I please ask some questions?

Basically, the tl;dr situation is: new kittycat appears to have food allergies.  I feed the two cats dry food, free-fed, and wet food.  And they like to eat from each others' food bowls, aka it would be impossible to trust that I could use two kinds of cat food.  So I need a 'hypoallergenic'//novel protein cat food for them in both wet and dry form.  Natural Balance has a "Green Pea and Duck" limited ingredient food that fits the requirements, so I've been gradually mixing that in like you're supposed to do if you want to change over their food.  New kittycat loves the green pea and duck food.  Older kittycat isn't quite as fond of it . . and has now begun to throw up, tiny amounts, at night.  Just food, no hair.  So somehow my older kitty is having a reaction to the nice expensive healthy balanced nonallergenic food.  :(  :uncertain:

So now the fuck what?  Younger kittycat is still all itchy, and now older kittycat is barfing.   :confused:

The second-opinion vet, who confirmed that this might be a food allergy thing, suggested California Naturals food, but she said "Stay away from the chicken."  So OK.  They make a herring and a sweet potato dry food that would work fine.  But it has chicken fat in it.  :(  And there's no corresponding herring and sweet potato wet food, either, just a salmon one.  And my schedule is too weirdo to have them on a clockwork feeding schedule of 7am and 7pm or whatever . . . so I DO really need to leave them dry crunchy food at all times.

The price for food is sort of no matter (I mean, I can't really afford any of it right now, so I don't mind if it's $5/can, whatever.  they are already eating better food than I eat.)  And I love my cats and will do pretty much anything for them but I would have to draw the line at feeding them some kind of complicated raw meat diet.  :(  There are too many no-gos there.

Other details: stuff I read suggests that cats are most commonly allergic to . . . fish!  Or one of the kinds of meat, chicken, beef, whatever.  Some are allergic to the fillers/grains.

 :cry:  I want kitties to be happy and non-allergic!!  I don't know what they can eat anymore!!!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 19, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
It's definitely a pain that to experiment you generally have to buy pretty big bags of food -- and of course the theoretically better brands are more expensive, too.  So you hate to give them a tiny bit from a $15 five-pound bag only to find they can't or won't eat it. 

My cat developed constant barfing with whatever it was she used to eat (I can't even remember which brand it was, now), but she does extremely well with the Castor & Pollux stuff I get at Petco.  It's corn-free and wheat-free, which seems to be what mattered for her.  And it's not even very expensive, really.  But every once in a while she eats too much, and then it makes her thirsty, she drinks, the dry food expands, and she barfs up a neat plug of chewed but undigested food.  Fairly gross. 

If your bagpipe is barfing that kind of barf, that's usually what causes it, from my understanding.  It could be he's overeating because he's anxious that the new cat will eat his food.  You know how cats are.  If that's the case, he might just get over it, but if the vet says it's an allergy, don't take my guess, obviously, blah blah blah.

What I really need for my cat, which might also help for yours, is a dry-food dispenser that automatically dispenses only a small amount every half hour, say.  That way she couldn't eat too much all at once.  The last time I saw such a thing for sale, it was insanely expensive, though, and in theory I could build one fairly easily myself. 

In theory.  I mean, one of these (http://www.webstaurantstore.com/zevro-tso1-indispensable-compact-dispenser-dry-food-dispenser/993TSO1.html) and a clock motor, right?  Any day now.  Except I still have to finish cleaning and reassembling her water fountain and build her a new window perch for the pantry and get more rope to make a new scratching post . . . .

Anyway.  The relevant thing is that the Castor & Pollux stuff has been great for my cat.  She really likes it.  The ingredients seem to be good.  You can get it at Petco.  It doesn't cost a lot.  The barfing has been reduced like 80% or more.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on March 19, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
A friend of mine had a cat that had TERRIBLE stomach issues.  Projectile vomiting after every meal, diarrhea.  They tried tons of different food, some better than others.  One thing that worked was roasting a chicken, then blending the whole damn thing, bones and all.  Cat loved it, didn't make her sick, and was cheap.  I'm pretty sure that's not sufficient for a complete diet, but at least it was something.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 20, 2011, 05:50:23 AM
I've never had to deal with the allergy thing *knocks on wood*, but my ex gf's cat had to eat that Green Pea and Duck. I'm not sure why though.

Axe's theory about eating too fast makes sense. If you could somehow feed the older cat in another room with the door closed..

My cat just about drove me crazy last night with the crying to get outside. He must be getting better. This morning he jumped on the kitchen table without hesitation. Last night he was struggling just to get up on the couch  :hmm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 20, 2011, 08:47:10 AM
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I'm pretty sure that's not sufficient for a complete diet, but at least it was something.

It's fairly close -- in the wild, cats are pretty strict carnivores, but they often eat partially digested vegetation that's in their prey's innards, too. 

I've never bought any, but the Make Your Own Cat Food books and websites always say there are places that will sell you nutritive additives, and then you just use blended chicken or the like.  It's a considerable amount of work, though.  You can freeze batches, of course, but then you have to be thawing them on a regular basis, too, and so on.  When I was considering making food for my own cat, I figured the only way it would make sense would be to get set up to make quite a lot and then sell it to other people, too, but of course there are big liability issues and such.

I'm a little surprised there don't seem to be cottage-industry boutique pet food places all over.  Maybe there are, but they don't advertise much?  There are liability issues, but making the stuff is a pain, not particularly expensive.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on March 20, 2011, 02:20:03 PM
My damn cat was on every one of those expensive limited ingredient foods when she first got diagnosed with the IBD. Unfortunately if a cat doesn't like a food you cannot force it to eat it (unless it has an esophagostomy tube, which my little one did for several weeks, and I did give her food that way -- rabbit and green pea i think?). She developed food aversions to most of that fancy expensive stuff and thus wouldn't eat voluntarily. I tried other stuff, grain-free, duck, venison, everything. Finally I said fuck it, she's losing too much weight, and just went to the fancy feast. I would check to make sure meat was the first ingredient in the flavors I'd give her and she put a little weight back on and we were good. Her relapse back in September(?) after we moved had us going to a different vet who said if the new diet didn't make her better, it probably wasn't really a food allergy that was bothering her. She loves dry food so I just try to get stuff with meat as the first ingredient and that she'll eat.

All of the limited ingredient foods I fed Artie were all prescription-only; maybe ask the vet if you can buy a few cans each of different flavors and see what they'll eat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on March 20, 2011, 02:45:36 PM
Fancy Feast really isn't bad, as mainstream canned food goes.  Unfortunately, my cat suddenly decided this past year that she won't eat it anymore.  I don't know if they changed the formulation or what.  After doing some reading, I only buy canned food that says it's 10% or more protein.  I think my cat is starting to develop urinary issues, though, so I'll probably have to switch to a strictly low-ash regimen.

A lot of cats will eat almost any dry food if you dribble meat broth or tuna water / oil over it.  This will typically add a lot of salt, though, and it'll mean you won't want to leave any uneaten food out for long.  You can sometimes train them onto a new dry food by adding a bit, and then less, and so on, until there's no added juice.  They may pig out and barf at first, though, so you might want to start with small quantities if you try that.

I thought I had a brilliant hairball treatment once when I tried adding a bit of Laxatone to a small amount of dry food, but my cat shunned it like it was a slice of lemon.  :shrug:  She'll eat Laxatone, but only if I stand there and hold something smooth that I've applied it to.  If I put a dab in a clean dish and put it on the floor, she'll keep sniffing at it, but she won't eat it unless I hold the dish in my hand.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on March 22, 2011, 01:21:18 PM
I quit reading the long drawn out thing after you talked about your shaved pussy, ECM  :P

Actually I read the whole thing.  Glad your little one is going to be fine :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 22, 2011, 04:05:11 PM
Yes, first time my pussy has been shaved, and my pussy is fine.

Maybe that should have been my tl;dr  :P
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 25, 2011, 09:11:28 AM
I just glanced out the sliding glass door and saw my cat look nervously over his shoulder, and then he flew off the deck, which is like 7 feet off the ground, and hit the ground running like 10 feet away from where he leapt off the deck. He disappeared into the woods within a couple seconds. I mean he was movin'. I guess his leg is okay now  :lol:

I looked out the back door to see if there was a dog or cat out there, but I didn't see anything. Then I looked out the side window and saw some great big guy standing on the roof of the house next door. I guess he's working them up a price to re-roof. Freaked my cat right the fuck out.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on March 25, 2011, 10:45:07 AM
Well I guess that means his leg is better then. :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on March 26, 2011, 10:31:36 AM
Just one morning I would love to wake up without a brand new scratch from the cat running across me in my sleep.  That little bastard.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on March 26, 2011, 02:36:02 PM
Socks.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 05, 2011, 08:31:46 AM
Welp. Mysteries solved. The old dog has congestive heart failure. And we have more medications to give her. :(

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on April 05, 2011, 08:41:02 AM
Bo has taken to peeing on the mat by the back door.  :nonplused:  Yes, I'm making a vet appt. but really, I think he's just an asshole.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 05, 2011, 08:59:11 AM
Pigs are very unhappy with me. I was up at 4 bumbling around and decided that they really needed my attention.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on April 05, 2011, 12:50:33 PM
Sorry about your old dog, hmof.  :(

We finally moved Andy's crate to the first floor from the 3rd.  I think it'll help him spend more time out of it, AND it'll be easier to put him in time out when he's a cat-humping asshole.  It makes him sad when I go to bed, though, because he likes to be in the same room as me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on April 05, 2011, 01:47:39 PM
Sorry about the old codger, old codger.  I keeed, I keeed.  C'mere yew :hug:  Bear snapped at me yesterday and left a nice bruise on my forearm.  Even with the atrophy of the other muscles, his jaw muscles are still really strong.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 05, 2011, 02:22:40 PM
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AND it'll be easier to put him in time out when he's a cat-humping asshole.

 :spittake: :lol: :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 05, 2011, 02:23:59 PM
If it helps, HMOF, my 'rents have a 13 year old dog with congestive heart failure. He's had it for more than three of those years and is still going strong ... if a little bit deaf.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 05, 2011, 02:33:32 PM
Yeah, I know. It's actually encouraging because it's treatable. She will probably get a little better for a while, which is great.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on April 05, 2011, 04:21:05 PM
I don't know if I mentioned it here before, but the dog isn't supposed to be "stressed or wound up." He freaks whenever someone says "squirrel" and of course I was at home visiting and forgot this key bit of information. And he was always hilarious when he was flipping completely out so natch I saw one at the feeder and said JESUS CHRIST DUDLEY IT'S A SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSQUIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRELL! He went absolutley postal. And then the yelling started.

No one was harmed.

Except for Mike who witnessed the whole thing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on April 05, 2011, 05:24:53 PM
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AND it'll be easier to put him in time out when he's a cat-humping asshole.

 :spittake: :lol: :rollin:

cat humping-asshole
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on April 05, 2011, 05:29:54 PM
That's going to have to go in to the lexicon right next to fruiting figure-skater.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 03, 2011, 11:37:53 AM
*sigh*

So in addition to tothemaxx, tramalamadingdong, pimobendy, enLOLpril, and nofunosemide, Old Dog is now getting gabagabahey, which is some kind of ludicrously powerful thing used to control epilepsy, which might help with her back legs. Side effects include depression and suicide (in humans, no idea how this will be manifested in the dog). Perhaps she'll start pooping everywhere, instead of just almost everywhere like she does now (and guess what the heart meds do to her poop. GUESS).

Her heart is like all better now (and there was much rejoicing. yaaay), so the doc is talking about hydrophysical therapy and stuff. Yeah, like we can afford that, and ffs she's 16. Let her relax. Christ. I'm going broke. Just the medications are up to about $75 a month. Aieee.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 03, 2011, 11:43:12 AM
I hear that. Pets are not cheap.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 03, 2011, 11:59:57 AM
Ugh.  I'm sorry.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 03, 2011, 12:17:53 PM
They started selling me the big bottle of metacam for Carmen. $60+ for something that maybe fills a shot glass.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 03, 2011, 04:30:09 PM
Gabapentin! I just took a test in pharmacokinetics where the one lecturer specialized in dosing epilepsy meds, which are notoriously non-linear. Gabapentin is bizarre. She presented a case where a teenager tried to commit suicide by taking all of her (father's?) gabapentin. Funny thing tho, only so much gets absorbed. She had symptoms of overdose, since she shouldn't have been on it, but basically you can't kill yourself with it.**

**do not test theory plz
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 03, 2011, 04:34:28 PM
But, um,... Poor doggy :( (and poor human...)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: tangerine on May 03, 2011, 05:28:58 PM
Gabapentin! I just took a test in pharmacokinetics where the one lecturer specialized in dosing epilepsy meds, which are notoriously non-linear. Gabapentin is bizarre.

Gabapentin is absolutely bizarre!

One of my petsitting client doggies is on it -- the liquid stuff (must be refrigerated).  I have to mix it into warmed-up babyfood (along with some other medicines, and some chunks of meat too) and then hand-feed it to the doggie (who shivers and makes big mournful eyes before sighing and reluctantly ingesting the mix).  The owner said that rat terriers are pretty much just like that (emotional//dramatic) and it's all an act for him!  So it IS kind of a ridiculous ritual.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: tangerine on May 03, 2011, 05:33:02 PM
Oh, and my own cats are continuing to be fussy about their food, and little cat still is not allowed to eat what big cat gets to eat, and high-quality and/or not-so-allergenic cat food costs A GODDAMN FORTUNE that I cannot actually afford on a petsitter's wages.  So it's a work in progress and we are ("we" = little cat is) trying a new brand of duck food!!

And then I was at the zen garden the other day and saw some ducks.  They were really cute.  And then I realized that my cat has eaten hundreds of ground-up cute ducks by now.  :(

Life kind of sucks sometimes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 03, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
mine dogs are on grain free,,,I pooped them off of allergen free without asking the vet.  they (the shepherd is the one with the issues) seem to be doing fine.  both kinds of food are $50 a big bag though.  when i run out of money, i will eat my dogs, just kidding
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 03, 2011, 06:46:49 PM
Gabapentin is absolutely bizarre!

I'll say. I have capsules, which are too big, so I have to cut them in half. They were telling me that you can't store the half capsules, but that doesn't make a lot of sense (capsules aren't really airtight are they loris?). The storage notes for these capsules say to store them at 77F. :nonplused: Well good thing we're having a hot spell. Anyway I encapsulated the unused second half in a pill pocket and will assume it's fine for today.

The literature I saw mentions tablets, tangerine's got liquid (hi tangerine!), but our vets and pharms all swear up and down the capsules are the only things they can get. There's nothing about this story that makes any consistent sense at all.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 03, 2011, 07:36:50 PM
Are there granules inside the capsule? Can you pour half into a pill pocket and close up the capsule for later use? I saw capsules at the CVS, but that doesn't mean there aren't other dosage forms. Maybe the vet means they only stock the capsules, perhaps you can get an Rx to take to a drug store. Or maybe her dosage is only available as a capsule. Or maybe your vet is on crack. Ok there is a liquid form they make for people, but don't give that to your dog. Get a veterinary formulation of liquid if you want to go that route.

Capsules probably aren't "air tight" but a full capsule is going to have a lot less drug in particle form that is exposed to air. So you're actually cutting them? Did you try opening them by pulling? Maybe you don't want to get into that, it's probably messy, but many capsules that aren't factory sealed (like liquigel type caps) can be pulled apart fairly easily.

I'm taking a vet pharmacy class this summer, it starts Monday. Can't wait, actually.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 03, 2011, 07:48:26 PM
Yeah, there is powder inside. That is exactly what I did! :) I thought cutting the capsule might do a better job evenly dividing the powder than trying to pull the halves apart, so I carefully tapped the capsule so the powder would be level inside and sliced briskly (i was pretty good in the lab, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth). Only a tiny bit of powder leaked. Rather than pour it out I just put the unused half capsule in the pill pocket and sealed it up, in case air was the problem.

The vet called around to the pharmacies, both veterinary and elsewise. We got these caps from Walgreens, which, I don't think they usually fill veterinary prescriptions at all, so the notes on the sticker are amusing. DOG DOG DOG. :galm: Maybe it was because the usual formulations are higher dose. That must be it. Although I'd have no qualms about quartering a tablet if it's not too small. :hmm:

Not sure about the crack. I'll check my vet's teeth. She can't possibly mind.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on May 03, 2011, 08:34:14 PM
Poor doggie. Poor doggie daddy! :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 03, 2011, 10:23:09 PM
I remember filling one or two scripts for a pet and I was like, to the other technicians (mind you, I was just there for "learning," not working) something like "Whoa look at this weird name. Mr. Whiskers Smith?" And they were like, uh, yeah, it's a cat. Oh. Right.

I looked on this pill identifier thing and it looks like most of the tablets are either 600mg or 800mg, and I imagine that's probably too high to split into the dose your pup needs.

Next semester I'm taking an elective compounding lab and one of the assignments is to make a meaty-flavored chew for an epileptic dog. Seems... fitting. (We also get to make a deworming paste for cows - awesome.) The Walgreens in theory could make up a liquid version of it for you, I think, but I don't know what that would cost (or even what they would use as solvent). Personally as pills can be hidden in treats I like to avoid liquids at all costs for my cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 03, 2011, 10:34:23 PM
We had Kuro on gabapentin solution 50mg/ml, and were dosing him with 0.25 ml BID for difficulty jumping/arthritis. Didn't do him any good (or the stress of squirting it overcame the usefulness of the drug?), but it is out there. I can't find the price, but we got it through the vet's office.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 03, 2011, 10:46:26 PM
Did I mention in here about having to do some HIPAA release for Greyson? The compounding pharmacy was really strict, and it was sort of odd to file paperwork on an 18 year old that is not legally allowed to sign his own paperwork.

And yeah, I used his full name - Greyson Frostworthy I. Why not accentuate the silliness?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 03, 2011, 10:49:12 PM
My cat's real name is secret, so they'd probably have to make do with her nickname.  But probably they'd never know.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 03, 2011, 11:11:02 PM
:D

Yeah, I think I'd have a leeetle trouble slicing a tablet in 12s, loris. Thanks for the info! :)


:galm: @ cat names
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 04, 2011, 12:14:42 AM
Best name I ever came up with for one of the ladies was Downtown Thelma Brown. They used to run out of room on the label, so when I moved here - I shortened it to Thelma.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 04, 2011, 07:51:18 AM
I had a cat named Montgomery Lipton, he went by Gumby.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 05, 2011, 11:35:40 PM
It's probably an abscessed tooth, I'm told, that's causing the sneezing, weeping eye and nose (just one side). They drew blood in part to see if there's an systemic infection, but also to contemplate dental work anesthesia. At age 19. I'm a wee bit worried about this.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on May 06, 2011, 12:34:00 AM
 :( :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on May 07, 2011, 04:25:29 AM
Why 4:30, cat? Why?

He seems to observe Daylight Savings Time, so that makes me think it's not a natural thing. Is it because it's exactly one hour before I wake up for work? If I could get my cat to answer one question, that would be the one.

Unrelated: last night when I let him in, I'm laying on the couch, he hops up on my belly and immediately goes to sleep. He starts making noises right away. At first I thought he was snoring, but eventually I realized it wasn't rhythmic enough to be snoring. It was kind of funny, but a little disturbing, because they were weird noises - not something you'd normally hear coming out of a cat, or any animal, more like human sounds. Anyway, eventually he started twitching, so I assume he was having a cat fight in his dreams and the sound he was making was guttural growling. Strange how quickly he went into a dream state. Like maybe 2 minutes, no more than 5.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 11, 2011, 05:53:04 PM
I'm going to Baton Rouge tomorrow and had to drop the dogs off at the kennel, which is also my vet's clinic.  They always do an awesome job and just love the boys.

Pug#2 digs it and sees the whole experience as an adventure, but the look of betrayal and abandonment pug#1 gives me as I leave makes a part of me die inside.

 :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 11, 2011, 07:37:57 PM
They'll just be happier to see you return.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hisey on May 11, 2011, 08:12:50 PM
Yay! Pets :)

We have two dogs, Sydney and Sarah. Sydney was supposed to be an Aussie but I think they lied (his mom was, though). We got Sarah through an Aussie rescue group. Flash forward oh... at least 10 years to this..

Sydney acts like a damn puppy still. We brought him home when he was about 6 weeks old, in '99. healthiest dog ever.

Sarah is only a year younger that they can tell. She started having issues. There was this cough that we could not get rid of ever, no matter what we tried. It wasn't kennel cough or Sydney would have had it too. The vets said, allergies! Try Benadryl. Zyrtec. Here, have a little prednisone. OH HEY THAT WORKED! Sorry, you can't have any more.  :fingerwag:
Then her leg. chewing through her fur and through her skin.. a big raw spot. Ouch. All of this combined to make her leery of stairs, up and down.
Well... we FINALLY got the vet to listen to us, and she ran a bunch of tests and while Sarah was there, she made that coughing noise. AH HA!!! Rhinitis, so she gets 5 mg of prednisone every other day (after the initial buildup).
And her leg?? We don't know. The X Rays didn't show any arthritis but you know, when you get older you just kinda get aches and pains, right? So she now gets Tramadol 50 Mg 2x/day.

Within two days, we had our Sarah back. She wasn't up all night coughing and she wasn't up trying to get comfortable on that leg. I felt awful for her having to suffer so long... but yesterday when it was time to go outside in the morning, she was literally JUMPING so that all four legs were off the ground at the same time.. like she was hopping. she also takes stairs again.

it's so nice for her to feel better! At her age, I'm not so much worried about the medication effects, as long as she has a decent quality of life.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hisey on May 11, 2011, 08:13:28 PM
OMG> why don't I just shut up already.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 11, 2011, 08:41:06 PM
Because it's encouraging to read, that's why.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 11, 2011, 08:49:19 PM
:lol:

Go on!  Go on!  It makes me feel better.  :P

Anyway, glad your dog's feeling better, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hisey on May 11, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
She is such a sweet dog.

Whenever Sophie talks about her -- which is a LOT -- she always talks about what a "sweetie pie" Sarah is. that dog eats it up too. it's so funny.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 11, 2011, 10:26:12 PM
So she now gets Tramadol 50 Mg 2x/day.

 :shock:

That's a generous dose of Tramadol.  How much does she weigh?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hisey on May 12, 2011, 04:49:10 AM
A little less than 50 lbs. The dosage indicated was 3x a day. We can wean her down a little from that too. Her follow up is Saturday.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on May 12, 2011, 05:07:17 AM
I'm going to Baton Rouge tomorrow...

Dude. Be careful. Keep the gas tank full. It's amazing how "you can't get there from here" happens when it's flooding.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jan/?n=Potential_Flood_Inundation

 :shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on May 12, 2011, 09:12:14 AM
OMG> why don't I just shut up already.

Because the rest of us being run by our pets feel slightly less crazy when there's company.   :D
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 12, 2011, 09:19:53 AM
That's true.

I am pleased and rather puzzled to report that stopping the Kaopectate seems to have cleared up the worst of the poop problems old dog was having. OK running with that.

On the down side I can't even find her poop in the yard. I don't have any idea what she's doing with it. That's not good either.

n.b. Kaopectate ... ain't what it used to be. It used to have, you know, duh, kaolin and pectin in it, and it was supposed to absorb excess water, etc. NOW it's got that bismuth stuff that's in Pepto-Bismol. Uhhhhh, what. Black, tarry, sticky poo, EVERYWHERE, is what. :tmi: Enough of that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 12, 2011, 09:35:30 AM
One of my cow-orkers' cats ate a huge amount of powdered creamer the other day. 

The results apparently didn't bother the cat too much, but, uh, everyone else nearby was reportedly very miserable for about 24 hours.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hisey on May 12, 2011, 10:13:16 AM
Pets get into stuff .. but how is the question. Powdered creamer is nothing like milk. Sheesh
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 12, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
Bad cat opened cupboard, threw creamer container on floor.  Good cat ate creamer.

Sometimes the good ones have to go off on a spree of badness when the opportunity presents itself.  This is true across all species.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 12, 2011, 11:18:02 AM
I think the question is more why the good cat ate the creamer. Because that stuff can be really horrid industrial chemical waste. You'd think cats would know better, even if we don't.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on May 12, 2011, 11:35:41 AM
It's also really fucking flammable. I like it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 12, 2011, 11:48:53 AM
I bet it tastes sweet to cats.  Cats like to lick plastic because it has a sweet taste to them.  Powdered creamer is kind of like plastic, ergo it must taste sweet to a cat.  See, I can doos sciences too!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on May 12, 2011, 11:56:16 AM
:detta: I follow that train of logic.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 12, 2011, 01:41:08 PM
Makes sense to me.

Humans have higher risk undergoing anesthesia that increases with age. Apparently this isn't the case with cats; it's the state of the renal system that's more of a determinant. I bring this up as one of our cats is having dental work done so he'll stop having issues with his nose and eye.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 12, 2011, 02:32:28 PM
The same thing applies to dogs.  Our 13 year old Weimer underwent 2 surgeries the beginning of this year. We were reluctant to do the second because of her age but they said it risks aren't any higher.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 12, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
They say cats can't taste sweet things, but I don't buy it. What, did they ask that one talking cat they found? (Talking cats are notoriously deceptive and that one was just fucking with them. You know it's true.)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on May 12, 2011, 03:00:34 PM
Yeah, I don't know for a fact it's sweet they are tasting.  I know they act like I do when I'm eating something that tastes really goood to me and that's usually something sweet.  How about an appealing taste then?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on May 12, 2011, 03:00:40 PM
They say cats can't taste sweet things, but I don't buy it. What, did they ask that one talking cat they found? (Talking cats are notoriously deceptive and that one was just fucking with them. You know it's true.)

This.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 12, 2011, 03:02:34 PM
I remember reading that they don't have sweet receptors and it just didn't work for me. I think maybe it's that they don't have the same receptor that humans do, but I'm too lazy to go do a lit search and see the rebuttals.

It could be something in common that we're not paying attention to, as MBM suggests. But they finally discovered the fifth taste last year - who knows how many others there are out there?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on May 12, 2011, 03:03:16 PM
They say cats can't taste sweet things, but I don't buy it. What, did they ask that one talking cat they found? (Talking cats are notoriously deceptive and that one was just fucking with them. You know it's true.)

This.
It's not the mice we need to worry about performing experiments on us...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 12, 2011, 03:31:06 PM
There have been studies done to see if cats show any preference for, say, plain water vs water with a little sugar added.  The reports I've seen don't make the methodology sound that impressive, though, and, I mean . . . cats.

A lot of cats are obsessed with eating foam rubber if they can get at it.  Some cats eat anything made of wool.  It's possible that they're weird, you know?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on May 12, 2011, 04:48:33 PM
Kooky likes plastic bags and balloon strings and for some reason, Polly Pocket clothes.  I think it's because they're tiny and rubber and kind of bouncy.

Speaking of Kooky, she got locked in the bedroom the other day.  I found that out when I got into bed and stuck my feet into wet bedsheets.  This is a huge PITA because our comforter and mattress pad are too big to fit in our washing machine so we have to take it to the dry cleaners, who will charge about $25 apiece.  For now, we're being covered up by afghans and a camo fleece that Lilia calls "the army blanket" even though I believe it is video game schwag.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on May 16, 2011, 04:43:15 PM
I'm going to Baton Rouge tomorrow...

Dude. Be careful. Keep the gas tank full. It's amazing how "you can't get there from here" happens when it's flooding.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jan/?n=Potential_Flood_Inundation

 :shamrock:

Normally I'd hop on I-55 which runs alongside the river all the way down.  I drove an alternate route which meandered through the Ozarks.  It took about the same amount of time, and all those old highways ran through some really interesting little towns that time forgot.  It was very cool, but I didn't stop to really soak up the culture.  900 miles in 14 hours.

Anyway, I just picked up the pugs from the kennel.  They were pretty indifferent to seeing me, which is normal for them, but always a little disappointing to me.  Pug#1 is wandering through the house with a "this looks kinnnda familiar, but I can't remember...." expression on his face.  Jeez, they were only gone for five days.

Both pugs seem to have really bonded while they shared a kennel, because they're inseparable now and wrestling really playfully.  They've also learned how to be dogs again because they're barking at everything.  I taught them not to bark so much when they were little.

And I don't know what the vet was feeding them, but they are hideously gassy too.  And I thought they smelled bad before.  Ugh.

:sick:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on May 26, 2011, 09:23:21 AM
The cat, in desperation, started eating some of her dry food (not time yet for morning gooshy fuds). Next thing I know I hear the barfy noise and she's barfed in the food dish and is heading to the living room to barf on the carpet. Just a few food pieces, and all I can figure is she just sorta choked a little. I've since given her her meds + treats, and that's staying down *knock on wood*.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on May 26, 2011, 09:27:04 AM
I've crossed some kind of line with Bo.  The Landscaper was poking him while he was sleeping and I shrieked "Don't wake him up!  He doesn't yell at me when he's sleeping!"   :whatever:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on May 26, 2011, 09:56:26 AM
eldiem, that sounds like it could be a throat irritation problem.  I know you've been working on this, but is it maybe an allergy?  The cat might also do better with a dry food that has smaller pieces.  You might try putting some in a freezer bag and mushing it up against the counter a bit to break the pieces up.  You just don't want too much food dust in there.


Friskies seems to have changed their formulation, the consistency became less pleasant, and I gave up and started looking for something better.  Meijer has a limited selection, whereas PetSmart has too many types, but Meijer has Iams.  The ingredient list is fairly promising, the protein level is 10%, and the magnesium levels are pretty low.  So I've been trying it.

First off, the cans are ridiculously heavy-duty.  The small cans are too difficult to open, and I feel like a cad throwing them away.  They're like miniature bomb shelters.  Why?  But anyway.

Second, the food . . . the cat is OK with some varieties and revolted by others, including, oddly, 'ocean fish'.  She usually prefers fish flavors.  The food itself varies a lot by type.  I only get her pate types, as she's not big on biting and chewing.  Most of the Iams pates are absolute glop, and pretty gross, and if you refrigerate part of the can for later . . . it turns to glue.  Seriously, I think you could spread it thin and use it for contact cement.  I have to add a little water to it in order to make it workable.

And some are glop with weird chunks that have to be cut up.  They appear to be made of the same stuff as the glop, so I guess it's a moisture distribution problem.  But seriously I don't think I've ever bought cat food that was so revolting when you open the can.

Still, it seems to be working out OK, except for the 'ocean fish' one that she won't eat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 05, 2011, 05:52:35 PM
Took my foster shepherd to his new family today.    :( :cry:


Mini Me and I miss him soooooo much!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 21, 2011, 06:49:49 PM
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q124/mo_d_/mockingbirds.jpg)

The Mockingbirds have been driving my cat crazy lately. I'm not sure if it's revenge, or just a territorial/nesting thing. They are absolutely ferocious, unrelenting and loud. When they start all the screeching and moving from perch to perch, surrounding the victim and dive-bombing, it gets kind of disorienting. The cat appears to handle it pretty well, but you can tell he's just pretending it doesn't bother him. I took this picture a little while ago when I was out there grilling a burger. They're not scared of me either. They don't like the smoke from the grill though. I saw a couple of Mockingbirds chasing a huge crow through the parking lot at work today, so I guess it's just that time of the year.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: unclejessie on June 21, 2011, 08:36:07 PM
Grill some cornish hens or sumpin, lid open. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on June 21, 2011, 09:15:40 PM
That's perverse and brilliant.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 21, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Pretty sure the birds will stop bothering you if you shoot them with the gun attachment on a garden hose. The one that concentrates the water. I trained the robins to stop sitting and shitting on my deck that way.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 21, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
Mockingbirds are extremely territorial and mean and not really aware that they are small compared to the things they're willing to attack. They built a nest near where you guys normally walk/hang out outside and to them, that is YOUR fault, not theirs, so they're going to dive bomb.

"Bird-brained" isn't an expression for nothing, know what I mean?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 21, 2011, 10:25:07 PM
Mockingbirds being mockingbirds, if you don't mind driving your neighbors crazy . . . buy an Annoyatron and attach it firmly to a tree some distance from the house.  Odds are good the mockingbirds will think a challenger has appeared and go shriek back at it all day.

The downside is that you'll be teaching them to imitate a shrieking Annoyatron.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on June 21, 2011, 11:30:29 PM
Dang, we don't have mockingbirds here. The closest thing we have is the Stellar's jay, and they get can get loud and bothersome, but it's fun to argue with them.  :lol:

...we also have starlings, but who doesn't? And those just creep me right the hell out.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on June 22, 2011, 05:27:31 AM
Grill some cornish hens or sumpin, lid open. 

 :lol:

They don't bother me - I think it's hilarious. Maybe if they start attacking me I might change my opinion. They've got nests all around my house. I love listening to them sing, and I think they're beautiful birds - not the coloring so much, but their shape and mannerisms. They've been around here for years, and this is the first year they've been this defensive. And it's not just my cat - they're attacking the house next door that has a cat too. I saw one yesterday go up to their sliding glass door and stand in front of it and shriek, like he was saying, "come out and fight like a man, you chicken shit cat!"

I think they must have babies in the nest and they'll calm down once the babies grow up a little.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on June 22, 2011, 01:58:35 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on June 22, 2011, 02:09:30 PM
we have mocking birds and ravens. there's a lot of them on the golf courses. between them and the geese there's a good chance of getting attacked. i've actually had a raven hit me when i was under a tree hitting a ball out. it's nest was up in the tree.

i chase the geese away with a nine iron. i hate them, they hate me but i don't poop on them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 22, 2011, 02:10:33 PM
A goose will fly right into your head, just to prove a point.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 22, 2011, 02:17:57 PM
I wish one would. I've been meaning to try foie gras.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 22, 2011, 02:29:22 PM
An adult goose weighs about 15 lbs.  Depending on how fast it was flying, it could knock you out.  Momma says "Knock you out!"
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 22, 2011, 02:31:15 PM
Geese have fairly fragile necks, and their wings are their most dangerous weapons, so they're less dangerous when they're in the air.

Well, except when they fly into a cold pocket, freeze solid, and fall a few thousand feet onto you.  But that probably can't be attributed to malice.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on June 22, 2011, 02:42:46 PM
  But that probably can't be attributed to malice.

Obviously you have never offended the Weather God.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 22, 2011, 03:08:08 PM
An adult goose weighs about 15 lbs.  Depending on how fast it was flying, it could knock you out.  Momma says "Knock you out!"

Very unlikely. Grew up playing FPS. If it's moving, I'll see it. I've had geese try to menace me before when I worked at the hive. They got ... educated.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 22, 2011, 03:14:50 PM
Quote
Obviously you have never offended the Weather God.

Fair enough.  I meant malice on the part of the goose.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on June 22, 2011, 03:58:34 PM
An adult goose weighs about 15 lbs.  Depending on how fast it was flying, it could knock you out.  Momma says "Knock you out!"

Very unlikely. Grew up playing FPS. If it's moving, I'll see it. I've had geese try to menace me before when I worked at the hive. They got ... educated.

Well I stand corrected, consider me skooled.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on June 22, 2011, 05:12:18 PM
In mid dle school I had a white pet goose named Bowzer, raising him from a gosling (not Ryan  :P ) who soon became the Godzilla of geese, I think he stood more than three feet tall.

He and his smaller girlfriend would greet me in the driveway when I came home from school -- that is, until the day he attacked me and knocked me to the ground and started biting and beating me with his wings.  :nuts:

He was sent to "the farm" (wait, we were already on a farm...) after that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 22, 2011, 05:47:04 PM
 :lol:

Geese are vermin. They're smart enough to know it they can fuck with you or not. They're surprisingly easy to punt. Like feathery footballs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 22, 2011, 08:19:58 PM
Aw, geese are OK.  They're just tougher than people usually think, and they (the geese) think they're tougher than they even are.

Just be glad they're not cassowaries.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on June 22, 2011, 09:25:48 PM
why does this "crazy ass goose " (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OStX_wrWGg) - gotta love the name - both crack me up and also remind me of robin  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 22, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
I did :lol: but I was also waiting for it to get ugly.  Of course, the goose got exactly what it wanted.

I'm more familiar with the crazy ass-goose.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on June 22, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
Wow. I said OMG more than once while watching that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 22, 2011, 11:48:42 PM
Insane. I would have killed the shit out of that thing. That poor dog. Not much of a dog, was it though?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 22, 2011, 11:52:56 PM
The elephant knows what to do with uppity birds:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWcI7nLTj_c
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 24, 2011, 04:46:06 PM
(http://6.media.todaysbigthing.cvcdn.com/78/18/4562179a1b8888bb6d02fac7de2919ca.jpg)


(from Today's Big Thing)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on June 24, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
That is the only time I will ever feel sorry for a goose.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on June 25, 2011, 10:16:25 AM
It almost looks like it's wearing black socks, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: robin on June 29, 2011, 10:00:55 PM
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/263968_1993639934077_1635798824_1899228_5287880_s.jpg)
my sun conure, Buddy, at 6 months old.  he's 9 months now and has changed from olive green to brilliant yellow orange and blue.
he plays almost like a puppy. Rolls over on his back and likes to play.
 
not the best pic, I'll try to post a better one minus the old guy
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on June 30, 2011, 11:08:18 AM
Awesome.  So are you gonna teach him to play the fiddle?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on July 01, 2011, 09:50:09 AM
Cute!! He turned blue?? Birds are so weird. But also pretty adorable. :)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on July 01, 2011, 11:26:36 AM
We took Pupuli in to get rid of her undercoat for the summer, since she won't let me do more than right behind the ears with a hand tool. "The Best Little Cathouse In LA" - the names of some of these places are amusing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hisey on July 01, 2011, 11:23:52 PM
that duck. with sandals. :googily:

anyway... Sydney got his first creature today--he's only 11--nabbed a baby bird in the back yard. unfair fight and I think the bird ended up getting away.
MUCH GUILT
you could see it in his face he felt terrible. He couldnt' get a bunny because he just isn't quick enough.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: robin on July 11, 2011, 10:07:20 PM
Quote
that duck. with sandals. :googily:
:lol: ok, If i tried to put those sandals on Buddy, he'd tear a hunk out of me.

He loves to play rough.  I'd hate to male him mad
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268746_2017327606254_1635798824_1932854_5615858_s.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 15, 2011, 09:10:06 AM
Old dog died in her sleep last night, after a painful night. I'm the first one awake to find this. I don't know how to tell them all. U1 is even coming home for the weekend unexpectedly so we'll all be here. I'm just wrecked.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on July 15, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
 :(


:hug:

It's the price we pay for the way they love us.  I've been trying to decide for myself what would be worse - having to put Bo down or finding him dead.  They are both their own special kind of terrible. 

She knew she was loved and she had a good life.  And everyone's going to have a crappy weekend.   :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on July 15, 2011, 11:20:26 AM
:hug: Not at all easy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on July 15, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
Dude  :cry::hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 15, 2011, 11:26:50 AM
 :(

 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on July 15, 2011, 12:28:31 PM
sorry for you loss.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on July 15, 2011, 02:45:10 PM
 :(

That's awful, but she passed at her home, and you didn't have to make that terrible decision to take her in.  I'm so sorry, hmof.  She was beautiful.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 15, 2011, 02:50:23 PM
Seriously, I know. I'm feeling quite guilty about the relief that I didn't have to take her in to be put down. That might have killed me.

She had a bad night (we were all up til 4), but fortunately I had her painkillers on hand and she was able to swallow a dose, so she got to relax and sleep. There was really nothing else I could have done.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on July 15, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
I'm sorry. :( It is fortunate she was able to relax in the last hours, and even more fortunate that you guys are her family.

:rose:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on July 15, 2011, 06:02:33 PM
Yeah, I don't think you should feel any guilt at all. This was the Border Collie, right? That would be almost like putting down a human. The guilt from having to do that would be terrible.

I just watched an episode of Science Now last week that featured a BC named Chaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6479QAJuz8) that knew the names of all 1000 of his stuffed toys.

Don't watch that video, hmof, you'll probably get all blubbery.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 15, 2011, 06:27:57 PM
Oh like that'll be different from how I've spent the rest of the day. ;)

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on July 15, 2011, 07:25:31 PM
She got to go to sleep in her own home, with her family... it's almost the best you hope for.

The best we could hope for is that they could stay with us much longer. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: slippy on July 15, 2011, 08:29:21 PM
Ufff, so sorry. :( 
As others have said, sounds like she had a great and happy life, and you all are lucky to have had each other.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: robin on July 15, 2011, 09:58:27 PM
 :cry: aw man...i hated it when my parents lost the golden retriever.  Hmof, how old was your dog? ours was 17
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 15, 2011, 10:34:40 PM
She was 16 1/2, which is apparently unprecedented for border collies (they typically live around 10). She had a truly wonderful life, so I can't be too sad. It's just how it goes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: unclejessie on July 16, 2011, 12:03:49 AM
We had to put our border collie down last december.  She was 10 and a huge part of our life.  That much personality should come with a warning.  Many hugs to your family, z.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on July 19, 2011, 09:36:39 PM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 19, 2011, 11:10:29 PM
Really, thanks, everyone. It means a lot.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on July 19, 2011, 11:17:24 PM
I'm still having a hard time over my cat which finally met his end in the beginning of June.

To echo the sentiments of others here, at least she knew she was loved, and was around her pack.  That's the important part.  We all die afraid, but I think it's wrong to die both afraid and alone.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on July 30, 2011, 10:08:19 AM
My cat's definitely unwell.  I've ruled out a lot of possible problems, and it seemed minor and transitory but I think she's getting worse, and it's been long enough.  So I guess I'm buying a soft-sided pet carrier and taking her to a vet tomorrow, or Monday if I can't get in tomorrow.

There are three places within walking distance -- under two miles; I don't think she's going to love being in the carrier, so that seems like the limit.  One has good reviews online, for what that's worth, but is reportedly expensive.  One I've been to a few times, and I know people who swear by it, but reviews are split between Awesome and SO Horrible.  I've heard that online and from people I know, both ways.

The third one seems to have moved here fairly recently from Ann Arbor, and there are no reviews or anything out there anywhere.  It's the closest, but it just seems like such a crapshoot.  I've generally had better luck striking out at random with vets than with, say, eye doctors or dentists, but I'm more concerned about my cat than about my eyes or teeth.

Whether that makes sense or not.  :shrug:

I think I'll go to the place I've been to before and just hope the horror stories are rare anomalies.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 30, 2011, 12:00:34 PM
:( Of course, knowing cats, she's probably messing with your mind. Here's hoping! If not, get well soon kitty.

Also, I don't know about online reviews. Honestly. Ever single Yelp I've ever read is a nearly even mix of raves and rants. In most cases they just cannot both be true so someone is astroturfing (whether positive or negative it's hard to say). My gut feeling is that the rants are the ones to be disregarded. Some people just do that - get on the internet and bitch, perhaps making the whole thing up.

Speaking of messing with your mind, my dream last night was that the humane society phoned and told me it was all a terrible mistake and my dog was just fine and could I come and pick her up. It was realistic enough to make me get up in the middle of the night and go out to the garage.

This happened in part because the house was all closed up and I overheated while asleep. This was due to a mysterious plume of smoke that settled on the neighborhood (wife phoned the FD, they came out and looked round, didn't find anything either).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on July 30, 2011, 12:15:20 PM
Yelp is completely awful, in my experience.  Reasonable idea, bad name, flooded with fake reviews.

The place I'm planning to go to, I personally know . . . three people who've loved it (two of whom, I believe, still use them) and two people who swear they would never take their cats back there.  I've been there maybe four times, always with someone else's cat, and it's always seemed OK to me, which is why I'll risk it.

It's also pretty close to being on my way from work, so if I have to drop her off overnight or something, it's reasonably convenient.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on July 31, 2011, 10:23:40 PM
How's kitty? Did you get her in to see the vet?



Artemis has been acting weird today. (I know, I know, she's a cat.) Earlier there was some weird flying bug and it was on my arm and I smashed it and the cat was all over me sniffing the place where it got smashed. Then she started nuzzling like she wanted me to pet her, and then biting me. Wtf? So biting means I stopped petting her, which means she tried the nuzzly thing again, but this time combined with mewling and biting. So I pushed her away and she stalked over to the basket with all her toys and started snooping around. Weird. That was a few hours ago now, and I just looked over at her and it looks like her nose is running a little. Could just be she licked her nose or something, I'm not worried or anything, I just noticed it.

She HATES her grain-free food, but she will eat a few pieces before turning away. In contrast, she LOVES the Purina One stuff, but she is then less motivated to eat the treats I use to give her the twice-a-day meds. It's an endless struggle.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on July 31, 2011, 10:28:08 PM
:shamrock: for Artemis.


Couldn't bring my cat in yet, but I talked to a vet on the phone, and she said it's probably fleas.  Apparently symptoms can appear before there are enough fleas / 'flea dirt' to show up when you comb the cat.  Really?  So I combed the cat again tonight, and, uh, yeah, actually.  It appears to be fleas.  No more ticks, fortunately.

This all seems improbably mysterious to me, though.  Where the hell are these coming from?  It abruptly occurred to me that I hadn't searched the idiot tenant's former room, which has been closed off for weeks.  (He still hasn't picked up his stuff, which I can no longer take to GoodWill or anything, but maybe I'll just cram it all in my garage.)  But no, no vermin in there.

Hmph.  I haven't checked the attic yet.  But it seems unlikely to me that fleas, etc, could get down from the attic.  Except maybe in the bathroom, but I haven't seen any.  In fact, I haven't seen any anywhere except (now) on the cat.  She sits with me all the time, and I haven't been bitten once.  :shrug:

So I'm off to Petco early tomorrow for flea treatment.  I know from experience that any kind of shampoo will be a lost cause, and I can't possibly fog-bomb the house unless it's an absolute emergency.  Gotta nip this in the bud. 

Unfortunately, online searches reveal no OTC flea treatments that have consistently better than 50% customer recommendation rates.  Oy.  The best-rated one is Advantage II, which costs like $10 a dose (which, fine, I'd pay) but which Petco apparently doesn't carry.  The cheapest I could find with overnight shipping would cost me $75, which I really can't afford, and if it doesn't work . . . .

So, yeah, Petco, and hopefully they have something that will work.  Without harming the cat.  Oy. 

Any brand recommendations?  Sentry seems to have the worst ratings, and after Advantage it looks like Hartz has the next-best ratings.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on July 31, 2011, 10:32:11 PM
Frontline (http://www.1800petmeds.com/Frontline+Plus-prod10459.html). It is the schizz. However, my experience with various vermin treatments suggest that what's good is regionally variable. So Advantage may be the one for lower Michigan. :shrug:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on July 31, 2011, 11:15:20 PM
My vet pharm class didn't cover flea/tick remedies (oddly enough), but there was brief coverage during the lesson on heartworm, as there are some overlapping actions with heartworm meds. The only ones she mentioned there were Revolution and Advantage Multi. I would see what the vet recommends, and MAKE SURE no matter what you get the product for cats. There's some dog-specific formulations that can be deadly to kitties. Many of these things are prescription only anyhow.

I sometimes watch this .. ok this is kind of a bizarre confession .. 24/7 webcam in a no-kill shelter. They have basically free-range cats for adoption. Heh. Anyway they have a blog and I could swear I'd read on there somewhere that they treat the incoming cats with some kind of flea/tick med while they're in quarantine. I just can't find it right now. This (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/friends-of-felines-rescue-center-24-7-kitty-cam) is the link to the cam, and that page has links to their blog and flickr and what not. Hey if this helps keep me from being a crazy cat lady by giving me my cute kitten fix, it's a good thing.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on July 31, 2011, 11:17:50 PM
We used Frontline with no issues.

Once, way back when, Kuro'd managed to get infested with fleas. He'd never been out, and we went nuts trying to figure it out. Finally the vet said since the cats don't go outside, we were the most likely vector. Turns out we had fleas in the grass, and I walked across it all the time from the car, bringing in some friends.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: vox8 on July 31, 2011, 11:45:36 PM

I sometimes watch this .. ok this is kind of a bizarre confession .. 24/7 webcam in a no-kill shelter. They have basically free-range cats for adoption. Heh. Anyway they have a blog and I could swear I'd read on there somewhere that they treat the incoming cats with some kind of flea/tick med while they're in quarantine. I just can't find it right now. This (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/friends-of-felines-rescue-center-24-7-kitty-cam) is the link to the cam, and that page has links to their blog and flickr and what not. Hey if this helps keep me from being a crazy cat lady by giving me my cute kitten fix, it's a good thing.

OK, I just went and looked and apparently it is either time to play hiding or nap time.

Quite anticlimactic.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on July 31, 2011, 11:47:43 PM
Yeah they're not so fun to watch at night. Occasionally a cat will come barreling through, but mostly it's sleeping. During the day when people are around, the cats are always running around, with the interspersed EMERGENCY HALT AND LICK BUTT interruptions. You know, normal stuff.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 01, 2011, 07:46:29 AM
:lol:

This area is chock full of feral cats, actually.  I probably see an average of five during my walk to work, and there's a possibly homeless neighborhood cat that sleeps in my garage.  I've been trying to think if I brought anything into the house from the garage recently, but no.  If it was this easy to bring 'em in, it's likely to happen again . . . .

I'm still more wigged about the ticks.  I keep looking (especially because I'm paranoid now), and I haven't seen any outside.  These weren't deer ticks; they were one of the larger (but generally less dangerous) species.  We had those in Ohio (yay), and they're easy to see on leaves and whatnot if you look for them.

It's a mystery.  An unpleasant, creepy mystery.  As usual, if it never happens again, I can live with not knowing WTF.

/off to pet shop
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: tangerine on August 01, 2011, 10:27:33 PM
Axe, email me if you wish for vet commentary.  I took S & S to Ailurophile for years and years, but now they go to Haslett Animal Hospital.  Nothing wrong with Ailurophile, but a huge bunch of my petsitting clients take their animals to Haslett, including the woman with four dogs and seven cats.  Very nice place, very good vets (the only negative thing is that it's not a cats-only place).  And it's even on the busline still :) (Marsh and Haslett Rds.) though I might suggest the cheapest/best taxi service is Big Daddy Taxi.  Despite the name being horrible, it's a good service otherwise.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 02, 2011, 12:13:12 PM
I will look up the Haslett place!  Thanks for the recommendation.

The Advantage II stuff seems to work as advertised so far.  Less than 24 hours after application, the fleas were dropping like flies.  I think she was having an allergic reaction to the fleas (some cats do), but it's so hard to tell if a cat has a fever.  Her nose never dried out, but she always felt warm and her ears felt hot.  If she was running a fever, though, it's gone, and she seems much more relaxed already.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 02, 2011, 12:49:52 PM
Yay!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on August 02, 2011, 02:22:57 PM
 :detta: :detta: :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on August 02, 2011, 10:14:00 PM
Nice. Give it a couple of weeks for the life death cycle to run and things should be happy again.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 03, 2011, 08:40:46 AM
I know -- this has been the summer of reminding myself that things could be worse.  I mostly haven't said that shit out loud for fear of attracting irony, but, really, on the one hand she was really bothered by the fleas, but on the other hand this is the mildest flea infestation I've ever seen.  Granted there's a lot of real estate in her fur, but there've been virtually no other fleas anywhere else.

Weird year already, this 2011.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: tangerine on August 07, 2011, 12:37:17 AM
When I adopted new kittycat and they found ONE flea on her, we (meaning: I) went on a Total Flea Annihilation mission.  All the vets/vet techs I called recommended that both cats get flea goo for three to four months -- this would outlast the flea lifecycle.  So you might want to give kittycat the flea goo for about that long to be sure. 

I also read advice to vacuum weekly and either 1) throw out the vacuum cleaner bags each time you vacuum (auuugh expensive), or 2) drop a cheap flea collar INTO the vacuum cleaner bag and then any flea eggs you vacuum up will get keeled all ded -- since you would definitely not want to vacuum up flea eggs and then redistribute them into other areas of the house, etc.  I tried this method and it seemed to work OK.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 07, 2011, 09:19:26 AM
:thumbsup:

Yeah!  I haven't gotten a cheap flea collar yet; I'm monitoring my vacuum to see if fleas can actually escape from it.  I let it run for a minimum of ten minutes to dehydrate anything in the bag.  So far . . . I think it's safe, but we'll see.

The goo I bought comes in a four-month dose, and despite the many, many internet panics about this kind of flea treatment (although not so much about Advantage II), I haven't seen a single side-effect, so she'll get the full series of doses.  Any fleas in the house ought to be attracted to her, and then killed, and when the series is over it'll be December.  So that ought to take care of that.

On the other hand, the wet food she eats is Friskies Special Diet, and she does like the Turkey flavor, but of course as a dumb human I'm always at the market thinking maybe she'd like a variety of flavors.  (She honestly doesn't care about variety.)  So I bought four cans of the Beef flavor at Kroger, as I've never seen them at Meijer, and . . . she eats it, but then she barfs it up.  Every single time.

:shrug:  I doubt they specifically poison the Special Diet Beef flavor, but there must be something in there that she's allergic to.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on August 07, 2011, 02:47:51 PM
Pepper's like that too -- she always had terrible problems with hairballs, even though when I comb her, hardly any hair comes off her (she must be cleaning the other cat, who sheds like a dog).

So we feed them both the Iams Hairball Control formula, and Pepper gets Hills Rx Formula canned food, and the barfing stopped.

Until "Daddy" accidentally brought home the wrong dry food -- because inexplicably, the bags for the "Original Formula" and "Hairball Control formula" are the same exact color of orange. There's no confusing the other four or five formulas -- they all have unique background colors to distinguish them. WTF?

She immediately started back into the barfing after every meal. Poor kitty. :(

So of course we got back to the store and got the "correct" food... but WTF?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 07, 2011, 03:03:36 PM
Unfortunately, my cat doesn't seem to like anti-furball cat food.  She tends to barf up dry food that has corn in it, and hence the Castor & Pollux that she gets now.  She'll sometimes eat soft-style anti-furball treats, and sometimes she'll eat Laxatone, which works like magic.  Although if you give a cat too much Laxatone, be prepared for problems at the other end.

Last time she started refusing the Laxatone (have I already said this?), I tried a petroleum-free brand, which was useless.  She didn't like it, it didn't work, and it was too thin and goopy.  I tried putting some on her paw so she'd lick it off, and she just shook her leg and sprayed the goopy crap everywhere.

Anytime I brush her, though, I get enough fur to make a kitten.  When she's in the mood to be scratched (which is often), I can graduate to tugging gently at her fur, and the amount of fur that easily pulls free is . . . well, after ten years I'm still amazed every time.  I don't understand how her metabolism can produce so much fur.  I don't understand how her coat can HOUSE so much fur.  I remove fur for fifteen minutes straight, and her coat seems as thick as ever.

Maybe somewhere, someone's cat is steadily going bald as I pull fur out of my cat's coat.  All the pillows in Narnia are going flat.  Beats me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 07, 2011, 03:19:57 PM
  I don't understand how her metabolism can produce so much fur.  I don't understand how her coat can HOUSE so much fur.  I remove fur for fifteen minutes straight, and her coat seems as thick as ever.

I know, right?!?! I feel this way any time I pet the cat! Not even talking about brushing her. Which, by the way, she LOVES. Seriously she used to come running when I'd accidentally pick up the laser pointer (it doesn't work so well anymore so she perks but doesn't come running) but now she does when I accidentally pick up her hairbrush. That doesn't even have any moving parts, so wtf cat?? But yeah, I don't understand how she eats enough to continue to replenish her coat, and she's not even a long-hair cat. Bf's husky is way worse, but she does eat quite a bit more than my cat. Which is good, the cat's too skinny, not enough calories to sustain that beast.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on August 16, 2011, 03:28:47 PM
My mother was at her BFF's house Sunday for a visit, and got in her car to leave. She started down the driveway, then turned out onto the street to go home (they live about two miles from each other).

What she didn't see was her BFF chasing her down the driveway, waving her arms. Then her phone began to ring, but her purse was zipped up and she couldn't get it.

When she gets home, she calls her BFF back, and learns that while she was in her car fiddling around, Inky the cat had jumped on the roof. And there Inky stayed as my mother drove down the driveway and out onto the 35 mph rural road.

The last the BFF saw of Inky, he was in full wind surf mode, his face in the wind, looking rather pleased with himself as they went down the road at 35mph.

As you might expect, Inky was not on the car when my mother got home. She suspects he jumped off at one of the stop signs along the way (we hope), or might have slid off the car around a 20 mph corner and went into a (soft) ditch.

They both went back looking for Inky with flashlights, then again the morning, but didn't find him.

Now you have to understand the personality of this cat, who's probably about 12-14 years old. I'm told Inky is a fearless cat, who often disappears for 2 or 3 days, and he's the kind of cat, if he wasn't killed or seriously injured, would probably find his way home. At least this is what they are telling themselves. 

So my mother has been drinking a lot of wine the last two days. She feels terribly. The BFF is a little more accepting -- it might start to sink in later if he doesn't come home. "He's a free spirit -- if that's the way he wanted to go out, that's the way he would have done it."

It's one of stories that makes you laugh and cry at the same time. At least Steve and I did (so did my mom and her BFF).  :uncertain:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on August 16, 2011, 03:44:39 PM
I feel bad for your moms but sometimes you just got to let little furry people do what little furry people are gonna do and let it go.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 16, 2011, 04:44:50 PM
True.

:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on August 17, 2011, 10:16:16 AM
Dem little furry peeples sure do have ideas about their doings, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on August 17, 2011, 12:19:53 PM
Ack!  That is terrible.  I do like the image of the cat with the wind in his face, though.

On a lighter note, has everyone seen my dorky dog (http://www.flickr.com/photos/onemansvoice/6047862303/in/photostream)?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 17, 2011, 02:56:57 PM
Aww . . . .
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on August 17, 2011, 05:24:21 PM
dorky dog

 :lol: :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on August 28, 2011, 01:07:52 PM
huh. i finally have something to contribute to this thread after 10 years. i adopted a friend's red eared slider.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on August 28, 2011, 06:30:20 PM
Awesome! One of our turtles is a red eared slider.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on August 28, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
my turtle's name is Lemon. i gave her some tiny dried shrimp as a treat. i like turtles. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y)

say, TOA, any turtle-rearing (loool) words of wisdom?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on August 28, 2011, 09:56:16 PM
Don't put it in your mouth.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on August 28, 2011, 10:36:10 PM
Don't believe whta they say about the five different flavors of meat
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on August 28, 2011, 11:39:14 PM
My dad had a turtle named Pokey once. Don't let it run around in the backyard if you ever want to see it again, even if you fashion a tiny little flag with its name on it and attach it to the turtle with plumbers putty.

/advice
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on August 29, 2011, 03:19:58 AM
my turtle's name is Lemon. i gave her some tiny dried shrimp as a treat. i like turtles. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y)

say, TOA, any turtle-rearing (loool) words of wisdom?

Our turtle's name is Buster. He lives in a giant aquarium with a float raft so he can dry off. It's good to get them out of the water (we put him in a dry plastic tub for a few days. Steve puts an iodine treatment on Buster's shell...

A reptile/sun lap is a must have. You probably don't need it as much as we do here, but they're cold blooded -- we don't let either of our turtles hibernate, because it just doesn't get cold enough here for them to do it properly....

Good to have a filtering system in the aquarium too.

Uh...

Buster (and most sliders) really like those little feeder goldfish from the pet store. Buster herds his like cattle -- he'll eat all but one in the first week usually, then he keeps one for months... until it grows almost as big as he is. Then at some undetermined point he decides to eat his friend. It's quite shocking, as it usually involves Buster biting the fish's tail until it can't swim and then he turns around and eats its face off.  :shock:

We have a hard plastic kiddie pool we put out in the backyard in the summer for both turtles (Eeyore is our box turtle who loves to swim). We have a wire cover for it to keep them safe, and they'll spend hours out on sunny days paddling around in there, eating strawberries.

If you have snails in your garden (and there's no chemicals being used), some turtles really like to eat live snails (Buster turns his nose up at them, but Eeyore gets this ravenous dinosaur glint in her eye when I bring her snails).

They shed layers of shell about once a year, which is pretty amazing.

Depending how old Lemon is, and if she's in good health, some sliders can live up to 50 years... so name a guardian for her in your will.  ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on August 29, 2011, 12:29:39 PM
 :lol:

awesome! will forward to co-adopter. thanks beh beh  :knotty:

Lemon has a lamp, water heater, thermometers, a floaty island, a filter, a 20 gal tank for now... i love the idea of a big, safe pool for her. she also has some action figures that sit outside the tank that she seems to like. i might get her some fish. she seemed a little in shock when we first got her and now she seems to greet us when we go over to talk to her.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 04, 2011, 08:11:30 AM
Lemon seems to be adjusting to her new home. i think i may get her a few fish (13 cents each... but i'm afraid to get attached to them and then see their little faces get ripped off). but anyways, based on a little research, i'm going to upgrade her tank size and filtering system a few notches. i think the people i adopted her from may have been getting ready for an upgrade.

she's getting kind of like, friendly. which is not what i expected from a turtle. the internets say don't let her mind-fuck you about giving her treats and make herself sick.  :P

oh, Stoatse, at the pet shop looking for stuff for Lemon, i saw several spunky P1gz and thought of you.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 04, 2011, 09:53:28 AM
also, i think Lemon is actually a boy not a girl.

boy i hate these realizations.  ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 04, 2011, 03:03:44 PM
pixplzkthx.


On a more disgusting pet-related note, I normally change the cat's litterbox once every about 6 days. Today it was time and I noticed all the poop was piled up in the back of the box. She also yowled at me a lot after using it this morning so I figured I'd better change it today lest she retaliate. It has smelled worse, but on closer inspection I noticed there was fuzzy mold growing on some of the poop. How revolting. I've never ever seen that before. At first I thought it was some dryer lint since I keep the box down in the basement of this townhouse, but no. It's all been changed (and the freaking bag of litter broke and gave way so the box is VERY FULL now of clean litter, so hopefully there will be less yowling. So weird.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on September 04, 2011, 03:08:29 PM
They do get friendly and come to recognize your voice -- both of ours bob their heads and look around when they hear our voices in the distance -- especially Steve's, since he raised them from little turtles. If you go up to the tank and talk to them, they crane their necks up to listen.

They're also super curious when they hear other people's voices. Buster's tank used to have a better view of the TV, and we'd leave on for him when we were out, because he would watch it.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on September 04, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
I normally change the cat's litterbox once every about 6 days. Today it was time and I noticed all the poop was piled up in the back of the box. She also yowled at me a lot after using it this morning so I figured I'd better change it today lest she retaliate.

 :shock:

Am I not reading this correctly?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 04, 2011, 03:39:42 PM
I'm.. not sure?

It certainly wasn't worded eloquently but ... what?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mrcookieface on September 04, 2011, 03:56:23 PM
I'm reading that you used the cat's litterbox this morning and she yowled at you for it.  I know that can't be right.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 04, 2011, 08:24:48 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on September 05, 2011, 02:00:28 PM
Well, not that you could blame her if it were true.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 05, 2011, 02:20:10 PM
THIS IS MY HOUSE

and I poop where I please.

:harumph:


/confuse-a-cat
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 05, 2011, 05:42:50 PM
no wonder you have a hard time with roommates mang.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on September 06, 2011, 08:19:02 AM
Our thirteen year old weimaraner seems to be starting her final downhill slide,we are very sad.  :cry: I don't think she's ready for her final sleep just yet and my husband doesn't want to wait that long.  I see a little bit of a fight coming on.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on September 06, 2011, 10:55:28 AM
 :cry:

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 06, 2011, 11:45:59 AM
:(

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on September 06, 2011, 11:55:55 AM
Ugh. :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on September 06, 2011, 12:10:54 PM
Our thirteen year old weimaraner seems to be starting her final downhill slide,we are very sad.  :cry: I don't think she's ready for her final sleep just yet and my husband doesn't want to wait that long.  I see a little bit of a fight coming on.

Ugh, I'm sorry to hear that.  Having just gone through that this summer with our oldest cat, I can empathize.   :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on September 06, 2011, 03:28:35 PM
 :(

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on September 06, 2011, 05:11:01 PM
:cry: :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hisey on September 08, 2011, 08:34:55 PM
Our older dog just turned 12, our younger is about 11 (or so we think. we don't know how old she really was when we got her.).. even though they're fairly healthy (Sarah, the 11 yr old is kind of.. ehhhhh) we're still not looking forward to it.

Definitely I feel for you.

Ultimately, what is best for the dog is what matters. :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on September 08, 2011, 09:51:24 PM
One of the presentations was a doctor using our data to show that cost shouldn't be the prime motivator of pharmaceutical care, but instead we should be using value. One of the examples he was using was a drug for end stage prostate cancers. I can't remember the cost per dose, but I do remember the length of life difference after doing randomized trials: 10 days. The entire talk brought home how much scrabbling we do to get a person to live just a little bit longer, almost completely ignoring not only the financial cost but also the emotional costs and the pain costs.

We might not make wonderfully wise decisions for pets, but overall it seems like we make better choices for them than we do for ourselves.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on September 09, 2011, 11:31:41 AM
Well, Lacy (the weim) had a couple of huge poops the next day and perked up some.  She still has tons of health issues going on but I'm glad I wouldn't let her go for a bout of constipation.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on September 09, 2011, 01:42:27 PM
:detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on September 09, 2011, 02:41:06 PM
Whew. :detta: :shit: :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 11, 2011, 02:25:51 PM
good old Lemon seems to be doing well. he seems really social, for a turtle. i talk to him all the time. he's been eating a pretty good diet of pellets, dried shrimp, red lettuce, carrots, and i went and got him five fish today. he just seems to play with the fish so far... :uncertain:.

well... we felt sorry for two of the cuter fish so now we have two pet fish in a separate bowl.  :eyeroll:

i took Lemon for a little bit of a walk in the back yard because he seemed pretty rambunctious. he seemed to like it!

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 11, 2011, 02:54:09 PM
Quote
we felt sorry for two of the cuter fish so now we have two pet fish in a separate bowl.

If you get any less attractive, we feed you to a turtle!

I think this is the method used on America's Top Model, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 11, 2011, 06:01:39 PM
i know, i thought that was a little low, sparing them because they were better looking. Lemon seems to want to swim around with the fish instead of eat them. he chowed down on his sticks and shrimps instead. :shrug: he chases them very aggressively then lets them go. :shrug: like i said, i've never had a pet turtle. i hope i'm doing it right.

i'm a little relieved... maybe Lemon and the fish can be buddies.



Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on September 12, 2011, 08:43:44 AM
I love fish with a little Lemon
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 12, 2011, 10:16:48 AM
And spinach.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on September 12, 2011, 02:32:31 PM
Wouldn't that make them strong enough to flipper you in the face?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 12, 2011, 04:10:54 PM
If they want Olive Oyl, they can have her.  Sharp knees.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 17, 2011, 11:30:33 AM
Lemon started acting really weird... turns out he was doing a mating dance :eek:

wtf!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 17, 2011, 12:10:47 PM
Maybe you just have that effect on turtles.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on September 18, 2011, 06:56:20 PM
Was he doing the foot fluttering thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47YXmNCRhM)?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 18, 2011, 07:14:42 PM
I think the turtle would probably like him even if he wasn't.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 19, 2011, 10:42:42 AM
Was he doing the foot fluttering thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47YXmNCRhM)?

yes! he really likes attention... but i will only go so far you know.

seriously. he really likes attention. very surprising. he likes when you dance with him and talk to him.

i'm kind of over protective because i'm inexperienced. he was blinking too much the other day and i started freakin out. (he is no longer blinkin too much  ;) ) he also does this backwards swimming thing ... it seems to me he does it when he's happy. i hope it's that and not some kind of turtle disease i'm misinterpreting.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on September 19, 2011, 12:45:56 PM
Wow, your cl4mn0515 is cross species?  Impressive.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 19, 2011, 12:48:13 PM
the power of c|4/\/\ -n0- 515 is that it is not species-specific.

 :shock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 19, 2011, 01:26:26 PM
From mammalia to reptilia is not merely cross-species, not merely cross-family (pumpkin), but cross-class.  I guess you could say the clamnosis is without class.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on September 19, 2011, 03:12:49 PM
"Supra classy"!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on September 19, 2011, 07:09:29 PM
Buster does the backwards swimming too -- he's a show off.

He also does this awesome thing where he'll suddenly decompress his airchambers and drop like a rock to the bottom of the aquarium.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on September 19, 2011, 08:47:27 PM
You just have to train him to shout in German and sound a dive horn.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on September 20, 2011, 02:09:50 AM
Wouldn't that be something.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 20, 2011, 10:56:46 AM
i haven't witnessed that move from Lemon yet. he's gonna be stoked when he gets his new tank.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on September 22, 2011, 12:03:35 AM
He's gonna start humping your shoe and making that weird gasping noise.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on September 22, 2011, 12:10:46 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on September 22, 2011, 08:29:13 AM
That's it - I'm done with cats.  I'm getting a turtle.

I'm not really done with cats.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on September 22, 2011, 08:54:03 AM
 :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on September 22, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
No one is ever really done with cats.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 12, 2011, 12:40:47 PM
The cat is peeing all over the place, mostly on our clothes and shoes.  She's at the vet right now getting tested for a UTI.  Punk says he doesn't think we can keep her if it's behavioral, which I will fight.  How do we fix it?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 12, 2011, 12:44:29 PM
In my experience, the only thing that's actually helped:

- Move the litterbox.  Scoop it / change the litter more frequently.  Add a second box.

If you have multiple cats, this is more important and/or effective.  When cats get pissy about territorialism, they get pissy.


- See if you can figure out what might be stressing the cat, and change it.


- Use lemon or something else cat-unpleasant to scent the areas the cat has chosen as unapproved pissing areas.  It's not just that the cat will avoid the smell you're putting down; the cat will (probably) also recognize this as you scent-marking those spots and asserting your dominance.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on October 12, 2011, 12:46:56 PM
Usually a cat peeing outside the box, that didn't have that issue before, is almost always health related.  UTI, kidney problems, bladder stones, something that hurts when she pees and is making her associate the box with the hurt, so she pees somewhere else hoping it will make it stop hurting.  Good luck.

Or like axe mentioned it might be the box isn't being cleaned enough for her, but I'mma go with my instinct and say it's health related.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 12, 2011, 12:56:53 PM
True.  I was just tackling the behavioral angle.

I didn't mean the box is necessarily filthy, or anything, either.  Especially as cats get older, they sometimes get more To Hell With It, and so it takes less to make them eschew the box.  They get more sensitive.

For that matter, some brands of cat litter produce more dust, and the dust is frequently high in cement, which is quite caustic.  It can stick to the damp nethers, and it's like gritty bleach.  Older cats . . . without details, they don't pee as neatly, and so they're more prone to hoo-haw burn as a result.

A lower-dust cat litter might help.  I've found that Fresh Step seems to be the best-clumping low-dust major brand -- just their regular or 'multi-cat' version is good.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 12, 2011, 01:03:36 PM
We fought with this for about 3 years, and it was (mostly) medical.

For cleaning, don't use anything with ammonia in it... use vinegar, or find a good enzyme cleaner. We used to buy enzyme cleaner at a local PetSmart, it killed the odor completely.

To deal with the behavioral side, I have one word: Feliway.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 12, 2011, 01:05:06 PM
She's about 3, and we've always used the same litter, Fresh Step.  We've been cleaning the house up, so she might be mad we're taking away some of her hiding spots.  I hope it's health-related.  When she peed on Lilia's coat this morning it was pretty clear she'd been holding it for a long time.  That was a lot of pee.

I think the cleaner we use is all enzymey.  It's for pet stains.  I'll look.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 12, 2011, 01:10:24 PM
If there's a lot of pee but it's not particularly strong, that often means diabetes.


:shamrock:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 12, 2011, 01:38:51 PM
If there's a lot of pee but it's not particularly strong, that often means diabetes.


:shamrock:

*nods*

If it's a lot, it's health related.  When cats mark (behaviorally) it's in smaller, much more concentrated volumes that smell truly horrible... there's no mistaking it.

In our cat's case, it was the beginnings of kidney failure. Talk to a vet though; it could be a lot of things.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 12, 2011, 02:22:17 PM
She's sitting at the vet now until she pees.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on October 12, 2011, 02:37:33 PM
And thus begins performance anxiety...

Kidney failure at that young seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 12, 2011, 02:43:08 PM
Another thing I was told to try to curb behavioral peeing is to confine the cat with its litterbox anytime you are not able to literally watch them every second.  With a young child, this may mean keeping the cat in the bathroom 24/2 or 3 until it gets the message.  This worked when Bo and I were staying at Mom's, but I had a much larger bathroom there than I have now.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 12, 2011, 02:55:03 PM
When she went on Lilia's jacket this morning all three of us were within 5 feet of her.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on October 12, 2011, 03:15:17 PM
you might try putting some important court documents in the litter box. i know when i have to pee, that's what i look for.


Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 12, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
Yeah - Bo's peed in the wrong place in front of me, too.  Bastard gremlin.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 12, 2011, 04:45:45 PM
you might try putting some important court documents in the litter box. i know when i have to pee, that's what i look for.

Good point, it might just be that she was confused by the emancipation papers in Lilia's coat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 12, 2011, 08:04:41 PM
So far: she's a good weight, 10.6 pounds.  They didn't find anything during the physical exam.  They'll have the urinalysis results tomorrow or Friday.  They told Punk there are things we can do if it ends up being behavioral, so I won't have to divorce my husband for giving away our cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 12, 2011, 09:59:38 PM
Well, let's hope the vet can curb his behavior!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on October 12, 2011, 10:30:31 PM
My 'rents adopted cat had tons of urinary issues - they were finally all sorted out. Want me to ask them what it was?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: hajen on October 12, 2011, 11:16:41 PM
We had one of ours with behavioral peeing issues for years. We put her on Paxil. No kidding. It worked.

After some years we weaned her off it and she's fine and there's been no recurrences.

We only got to that point after like two years of her peeing on stuff. It was batshit. It was almost always MY stuff too. The vet said it was probably an anxiety thing. If they don't find a medical reason they'll probably propose Paxil/Prozac, after you go through the extra litterboxes/enzyme cleaner etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on October 13, 2011, 08:27:00 AM
So maybe I could slip Bo a little of my Wellbutrin?  What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on October 13, 2011, 09:44:38 AM
Yeah, the other thing that helped in our case was putting him on Prozac for cats.  He was always kind of a grumpy cat anyway, and that really made him a bit more easy-going, plus he stopped peeing on things (in a behavior sense; his kidney issues still made it hard for him to make it to the litter box, however).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on October 13, 2011, 10:48:13 AM
So maybe I could slip Bo a little of my Wellbutrin?  What could possibly go wrong?
If I take it in the evening, I can't fall sleep for hours. For a cat that could be interesting
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 14, 2011, 02:37:15 PM
Well, she's not sick.  They're writing a prescription for Prozac and recommended Feliway, as Celegorm mentioned.  Poop.  Now that our friends have left maybe she'll chill.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on October 16, 2011, 01:44:17 PM
why does this pic of good old Lemon look so epic?

(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/593/lemonp.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on October 17, 2011, 06:15:51 AM
It's Gamera!  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 17, 2011, 01:54:41 PM
The Feliway was $65, so I said "eff it".  I filled the Prozac scrip but haven't given her any.  She hasn't peed anywhere in 4 days and seems a lot happier now.  I'm going to wait and see.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on October 17, 2011, 02:01:00 PM
so she just hated your guests?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on October 17, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
For the week leading up to their arrival Punk was furiously cleaning and throwing stuff away.  Then they showed up.  She sat on their laps so I think she thought they were okay, but the situation was unacceptable to her.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 22, 2011, 08:27:25 PM
My cat went through a major hairball phase recently, which was tough for both of us to manage, but she seems to have come out the other side now.  One hopes.  However, even after the hairballs stopped, she threw up her dry food about four times in one week.

It's possible that she was gorging, now that the blockages weren't a problem.  It's also possible that the food had gone stale or spoiled, since we'd reached the end of the bag.  Tough to guess.  It was the Castor & Pollux stuff, which she'd previously been tolerating really well.  She can't seem to digest dry food that has corn in it, and I don't blame her.

I went to Petco, and they were out of C&P.  Hm.  I picked up a bag of Before Grains instead.  The marketing on the bag is pretty annoying and not confidence-inspiring, but the ingredients were more encouraging, despite the emphasis on berries.  Cats might need antioxidants, but I have no way of knowing if they can digest blueberries and acai just because they're freeze-dried and ground up.  That's not very natural.  If they were half-digested in a mouse stomach, that would be different, but I don't think mice operate by freeze-drying.

I can't gradually switch her to the BG, since there's no C&P left, so I've been giving her extra canned food and just a little dry food at a time.  She likes it so far, but it's too soon to see how she tolerates it.  The BG stuff mostly gets rave reviews online.  It actually wasn't all that expensive, especially since she's not a big eater, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on October 23, 2011, 07:22:06 AM
My cat just went through a nasty hairball experience too. He's short-haired, so he doesn't have hairballs often, but when he does, like once a year, it's a major ordeal.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 23, 2011, 07:56:14 AM
My cat is, like, 75% made of long silky fur, so there's an inevitable amount of hairballage, but it's become more of a problem since they changed the formula of Laxatone.  She loved the old stuff, absolutely refuses to eat the new stuff.

I've tried a couple of alternative products, but they were even worse -- she didn't eat them, and they were softer and goopier, and she got them all over the place.  Eight bucks to get tuna-flavored corn syrup and mineral oil all over the room.

She does eat the Friskies soft anti-hairball cat treats, when she gets the chance, but I'm  not sure they actually help.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on October 23, 2011, 08:00:12 AM
Yeah, my cat hates the Laxatone. I have to wipe it on his paws to get him to eat it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 23, 2011, 08:09:00 AM
Yeah, don't try that with the Vets brand.  It shakes right off . . . .
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 29, 2011, 08:52:09 PM
Cat's still having intermittent hairball digestion issues, seemingly about once a day.  The hairballs look normal, but it's not like I'm dissecting them, so I spent about twenty minutes searching the house for a possible source of new fibers.  She's a cat and has been known to eat things she shouldn't, which has sharply curtailed my collection of houseplants.

But I learned that when she's having uncomfortable rumbles, if I pick her up and walk her, like she was a baby, she tends to relax and get past it without hurking.  It's nice enough but just a bit strange.  The same hypnotic kid-walking tricks work on her about equally well.

I hadn't really thought it was a danger, but maybe I should worry I'll turn into an old cat lady one of these days.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: tangerine on October 31, 2011, 12:03:45 AM
My cat went through a major hairball phase recently, which was tough for both of us to manage, but she seems to have come out the other side now.  One hopes.  However, even after the hairballs stopped, she threw up her dry food about four times in one week.

Kittehs can have plain old sensitive stomachs sometimes -- some of my kitty clients will just throw up when they eat.  sometimes in their food dish.  :(  So eating too fast, or that, or the food bowls need to be like thoroughly washed because they are getting gross.  Or, you know, the carpet suddenly tastes like catnip and she wants to eat it all.  :(  Maybe you could try a sensitive-stomach food for her--??

And some of my kitty clients take generic Pepcid (prescribed by vet, but they'll tell you the correct dosage and then you can buy OTC stuff and just quarter the pills or whatever) if they have actual factual stomachy issues.

(we need a cat emoticon!  there's a cow and a pig but no cat?  I guess this is the closest thing) --> :diablo:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 31, 2011, 08:52:50 AM
:lol:  It's not a terrible cat emoticon.

Interesting about the Pepcid.  I'm 90% sure it's 90% a hairball problem, but it's hard to be completely sure.  She's definitely starting to get old, and things change.  She does seem to be doing well with the BG food.

I tried to sneak a little Laxatone into her canned food this morning.  She was asleep, so I don't know yet if I got away with it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on October 31, 2011, 09:50:39 PM
I give my kitty Pepcid (famotidine, 10 mg, quarter tab) once a day, though typical dosing is twice a day. It helps her tummy when I give it to her at night, along with her metronidazole, which she also gets in the morning. I only give her the pepcid once a day because I noticed she seemed quite lethargic and I can't not give her the metronidazole, so I tried the pepcid, and it seemed to help to cut back.

Freaking cat with medical problems, I tell you what.

She doesn't really have TOO many problems with hairballs, but she's got short hair. I try to brush her pretty often too. Make sure you keep up on that.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on October 31, 2011, 11:08:09 PM
Oh, mine is a huge pain about brushing, and I've gone through literally about three dozen implements.  She'll tolerate a few, and there's one she actually likes a fair bit.  Naturally, the less effective they are, the more likely she'll tolerate them.

Oddly enough, what she puts up with best is me petting her and then tugging at her fur and just pulling tufts free.  Her coat is so long and thick that you can basically harvest loose fur from it indefinitely.  She eventually gets sick of it, but usually I have a mound of fur the size of both of my fists by then.

She will attempt to start eating said mound of loose fur if I don't prevent that.  Naturally.

Upon further investigation, she seems to be drinking more water than usual.  Maybe a urinary issue, but she doesn't seem to be going more than normal.  She's always been small, bordering underweight, so hopefully it's not diabetes.  She's on a low-magnesium mostly-meat diet.  I'll have to keep an eye on her.

Googling it, of course, just makes you paranoid.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 01, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Well, possible TMI at this point, but:  She's gotten very consistent.  She's barfing about twice a day, and it's always a small hairball and a small volume of half-digested canned food.  Never the dry food.  She eats the dry food in smaller amounts, so I tried giving her the canned food only in small amounts but more frequently.  Didn't help.

I think she may have a problematic bezoar (a hairball she can't pass at either end).  It might explain the urpiness, and it could make her bloat when she eats or drinks much.  It would explain why she's coughing up more smaller hairballs than usual.

The current findings suggest that too much fat in the diet vastly worsens hairball problems.  Hairballs turn out to be formed when swallowed fur binds to fat in the stomach.  Ironically, a popular natural remedy for hairballs is to give the cat a little bit of butter every day, which might be unhelpful.  I don't know if the petroleum in Laxatone or vegetable oil in other formulas can cause the same problem.  High-fiber anti-hairball stuff won't help with one that's trapped in the stomach, and you don't want it to wind up stuck further down.

So . . . I may try a lower-fat canned food for a bit, and less of it.  She doesn't need to lose weight, but I'll keep an eye on how much she's eating.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 03, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
She's definitely trying to barf up something she can't get.  Enough was enough, and I smeared some Laxatone on the top of her paw while she was distracted.

She went nuts trying to shake it off.  She licked at it a few times, but . . . I don't know what they changed in their formula when they changed the packaging, but she went from really liking it to HATING it.

So instead, she (pretty cleverly) tried to scrape it off with the bottom of her other front paw.  And then tried to run away.  She wound up with filthy sticky feet, and while I was cleaning up Laxatone off the floor she went and walked all over my bed.

:eyeroll:

Damn it so much.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 03, 2011, 08:31:36 PM
Get a popsicle stick and smear it on the roof of her mouth. (Wear riot gear, obvs) This is doable. My vet back in VT did it all the time when Fat Angus was refusing to take paste meds. Took two people to hold him and about a week to be forgiven. Worked, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 03, 2011, 09:18:00 PM
She's still awfully pissed at me.  If I stick a popsicle stick into her mouth, she might never forgive me.  Hopefully it won't come to that.  Those no-needle syringes are the other traditional delivery system for the forced Laxatone treatment.

Now that I've had to clean up a lot of Laxatone residue, I've noticed that it smells like maple syrup.  It used to smell like tuna fish.  Does anyone's cat like vaseline that's chiefly flavored with corn syrup?  Cats can barely taste sweet flavors.  WTF?

Honestly, I think I could make my own Laxatone-equivalent in about five minutes that would be a hundred times better.  A dab of vaseline with a bit of tuna oil.

I really need to take one of my good undercoat-rake cat brushes and cut the handle off.  It just gets in the way and alerts the cat that this isn't a petting session.  All I need is the rake and maybe a 1" plastic bar to hang onto.  The fancy Shed Ender one that I have has a poseable head that's got a short tang, and it'll probably be the easiest to snap off.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on November 03, 2011, 09:51:18 PM
Did anyone else read that as poopsicle stick?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 03, 2011, 10:18:50 PM
You could mix in a package of bonito flakes. Those should be able to mask anything.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 03, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
Bonito flakes, eh?  That hadn't occurred to me.  Actual tuna is her usual over-the-sky treat, but it's harder to find it packed in water without a ton of added salt.  Well, for cheap, anyway.  I can't afford to buy her a tuna steak.

It's been 3.5 hours now since the Laxatone experiment, and she's still sticky and very pissed at me.  She's managed to get it smeared all over her chest and stomach.  I don't know if it's because it's so cold in here or if it's the new formulation, but that stuff is sticky.  I can see that this is just going to make her eat far more of her fur tonight than she would have otherwise.

:eyeroll:

Online, a million people recommend plain unsweetened / unspiced canned pumpkin.  I believe these reports that many cats love it, but I will be amazed if my cat eats canned pumpkin.  It's not expensive, and reportedly the main side effect is a little gas, so it seems worth a tentative try.  It's really mostly for constipation, but I can't be sure that that's not the problem.  She's been pooping, but who knows.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 03, 2011, 11:43:27 PM
We fed Greyson pumpkin mixed in with his wet food as a fiber supplement. He... wasn't all that thrilled.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on November 04, 2011, 12:27:41 AM
Bonito flakes are sold in pet stores as 'Kitty Caviar' or something, but really, go to an Asian supermarket and buy them there. Like a zillion times cheaper, fo realz. Cats love that shit, supposedly. My cat is a weirdo and never liked canned tuna so I've never tried the bonito, though I may, still.

Also, re: the laxatone in your bed, cats are dicks. Not sure if you knew.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on November 04, 2011, 08:06:13 AM
Yeah, the Laxatone is a real mess, and doesn't smell like fish at all to me. I tried mixing it in with my cat's regular food, and he refused to eat it. I was told it could take a couple of days to work. I don't know how much of the goop you have to get inside the cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: tangerine on November 04, 2011, 09:42:29 PM
Get a popsicle stick and smear it on the roof of her mouth. (Wear riot gear, obvs) This is doable. My vet back in VT did it all the time when Fat Angus was refusing to take paste meds. Took two people to hold him and about a week to be forgiven. Worked, though.

Ohmygosh, this is the civilized way to do it, thankyou!!   :shock: :lol:  No -- seriously -- I just put the hairball goo on my finger, then smear the goo on the roofs of their mouths.  It's pretty fast and it's way better than trying to convince them that they will love the taste.  Some do, some don't.  (There's even a catnip-flavored hairball remedy, but I'm betting cats universally think it sucks.)  There is a tuna flavored kind too.  Anyway, the popsicle stick is a more hygienic way to do it, etc.

Axe, re: maple syrup, they make a lot of stuff in malt-flavor for cats.  I have no idea why.   :shrug: And FYI I was somewhere, recently, that had several flavors of the Laxatone stuff . . . umm . . . Pet Supplies Plus on S. Pennsylvania in Lansing, I think?  Otherwise, check the Okemos Soldan's.

And no kitty ever seems to like hairball remedy treats, but if you told your cat NOT to like them, then maybe she would?   :diablo:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 04, 2011, 10:47:11 PM
My cat likes the Friskies low-rent soft hairball control treats, and no other brand, but she'll only eat them about 50% of the time, and she won't eat more than three at once.  The recommended dose is 4-6, so I'm never sure if they actually help.

I was at Petco in Frandor today, in fact, and they had Laxatone in Tuna . . . and in Cat.  WTF, Laxatone?  Am I meant to think that one is for cats and the other is for yellowfin, or is one of them meant to be cat-flavored?  Anyway, my brother loaned me a tube of the Hartz hairball goo in Salmon flavor, which she also used to like years ago.  It's hard to find locally; he buys it online.

I'm not sure why cats do or ought to like malt flavoring.  The Laxatone Tuna seems to have far less syrup in it (corn syrup, but no HFCS, for starters).  Weird.

I think I might try a plastic coffee stirrer rather than a popsicle stick.  The popsicle stick isn't too flexible, and I'm paranoid about levering it sideways into one of her fangs and snapping the tooth.  But hopefully I won't have to force this stuff.  I haven't dosed her yet because I got home late tonight, and I want to be able to observe her for a few hours afterward.

Petco had pure dried tuna flakes, so I got some of those as bait.  $7 for a few ounces, and if I owned a dehydrator I could make ten times as much from a $1 can of tuna, but . . . .

I'll look at Pet Supplies Plus next time I go to Lowe's.

I helped out with six other cats tonight, including one who was just diagnosed with diabetes.  She's already used to getting the injection.  I wonder if there's any actual association of relief?  Apparently the vet said that they often even look forward to it and will come running over when they see the syringe.  Considering this cat's been getting injections for less than a week and has gone from YE GODS, HUMAN to Yes, Whatever . . . I guess I can believe it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 05, 2011, 05:15:57 PM
good old Lemon loves oranges. :shrug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 05, 2011, 05:43:11 PM
Wow! Have not tried citrus fruit with the turtles.  :hmm:

Strawberries and grapes seem to be the fruit du jour for our kids.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 05, 2011, 05:51:49 PM
Cat likes the Hartz anti-hairball stuff.  :thumbsup:  (And FU to the new Laxatone.)

It hasn't fixed the problem yet, but we'll see.

The tuna flakes have almost no odor, and the cat isn't interested in them.  When she accidentally gets one in her mouth, she's NOM NOM NOM, but it doesn't make her interested in any other flakes.  I may try humidizing them next time.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 05, 2011, 08:24:54 PM
Wow! Have not tried citrus fruit with the turtles.  :hmm:

Strawberries and grapes seem to be the fruit du jour for our kids.

i haven't tried strawberries yet. he just nudged the grape around and never ate it when i tried to give him one. maybe i should have cut it in half. i'm trying to get him to eat something besides his sticks and SHRIMP TREATS OMG DID SOMEBOBBY SAY FUCKING SHRIMP TREATS OMGOMGOMGOMG
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 06, 2011, 03:15:49 AM
Yes, cut the grape in half.

Also, cherry tomatoes!  :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 06, 2011, 09:49:59 AM
:hmm: but now his freshly changed water is cloudy. i wonder if it is a reaction caused by the oranges/ water conditioner (one of those little turtle shaped thingies).

edit. oh. i suppose it might be bacterial bloom. /noob
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 06, 2011, 10:06:53 AM
Quote
If you experience a bloom in an established tank, improve your husbandry.

you don't know me, motherfucker.

 ;)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 08, 2011, 09:20:18 PM
Had to make the call today. Carmen was unable to move around without extreme difficulty and I think her pain meds just weren't getting the job done any more. I watched her over the weekend and she didn't bounce back like she did every other time in the past.

I'm keeping a close eye on Little Bit for signs of depression. She's pretty upset right now (I've scrubbed the pen out and washed hideaways, etc. so it won't smell like Carmen in there) but that's to be expected on the first day or so. If she calls during the night, I'll get her and bring her in my room with me.

I haven't had a single pig since 1999 and it all feels pretty weird.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 08, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
:hugs: That's such a hard thing for both of you, really.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 08, 2011, 09:37:55 PM
:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on November 08, 2011, 09:51:38 PM
:cry: :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on November 08, 2011, 10:33:39 PM
 :(

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: First Post on November 08, 2011, 10:57:35 PM
 :hug:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on November 08, 2011, 11:13:54 PM
 :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 08, 2011, 11:18:49 PM
Thanks, ya'll. Everyone here's been right there with me for the ups and downs of the whole pet thing - and that makes it feel a hell of a lot less lonely. I watched an episode of Sanctuary with Little Bit on my lap. She did the happy teeth grinding thing, so maybe I should make TV hour a regular deal. I know they bond pretty hard to their two-leggers if there aren't other pigs around. I'll be sure to make time for us to hang out each day.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 09, 2011, 01:31:44 AM
:cry: :hug:  :( :bummed:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on November 09, 2011, 01:32:49 AM
before you know it she'll star demanding the tv on all the time. hell, she'll probably want her own netflix account.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on November 09, 2011, 08:06:03 AM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on November 09, 2011, 09:36:55 AM
 :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 09, 2011, 09:57:26 AM
 :(

You're not really bringing your herding days to an end, are you?  I'm not sure I want to live in that world.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 09, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
I rearranged the living room so it can be hang-outable in and moved my gaming rig into it as well. She's crashed out hard. Apparently supervising me takes a great deal of energy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 09, 2011, 02:24:21 PM
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Apparently supervising me takes a great deal of energy.

Yeah, but it sounds like a good job.


Ironically, I'm working on getting my computers out of my room.  Between the two temporary tenants, I moved everything into one room, and now I practically live out of it.  With everybody gone at the moment, I'm trying to expand again before the winter cold makes it impossible to un-cave completely.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 09, 2011, 02:31:48 PM
She also has her giant hideaway back. I had to take it away since she was constantly fighting with the others over it. As soon as she discovered in the pen she was all FUCK YEAH and hasn't left since.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 09, 2011, 03:21:44 PM
:lol:

Mysterious creatures.  Or at least they like to think so.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 09, 2011, 04:44:14 PM
All I've got is :hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 12, 2011, 09:55:15 PM
Gah. Little B has lost 84 grams between the 8th and tonight. That's a huge amount of weight. Looking at it on the graph is horrifying. She popcorned last night, and is in my lap now making happy noises. And farting. She hasn't been eating her kibble so I think it's safe to say that she's depressed and is giving up. This is pretty common for pigs who lose a cage mate and find themselves alone.

That will not do, pig.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 12, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
:eek:

Pigs need to pig out, man.  I suppose Kroger would notice if you smuggled her into the produce section.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 12, 2011, 10:18:38 PM
You're still there, so the herd is there. Silly cavie.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 12, 2011, 10:35:44 PM
You're still there, so the herd is there. Silly cavie.

Exactly!  :harumph:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 12, 2011, 10:53:35 PM
Yah. I was hoping she'd be fine on her own since she's generally a happy girl and I'm here all the time. Me and my wishful thinking, right? Oy.
I texted my LL and he said to do what I need to do about it - which means I'll weigh her again in the morning, have a huge breakfast of angst with my tea, and then likely go to the adoption center at PetsFart and see what's what. FML with this housepet nonsense. I don't know if they do adoptions on Sunday. I hope the fuck so. Jesus. I so did not want to get roped into another p1g, but LB is forcing the issue.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 13, 2011, 08:37:32 PM
Lemon is freakin out over his new tank.

his new basking setup has him basking like a mad man. and of course he's swimming back and forth with all the extra room he has now. i think he was on the very cusp of outgrowing his old setup when we got him.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 13, 2011, 09:18:17 PM
Yay! Here's to happy turtles. :banana:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 13, 2011, 09:43:27 PM
ETA:

(http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/scumbag-turtle.gif)

"This tank ain't big enough"
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 13, 2011, 09:48:59 PM
 :lol:

i'm always worried about something. this second, it's because he breathes too hard after exorcizing and i wonder if it's a respiratory infection.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 13, 2011, 10:09:30 PM
yes, he is a priest/turtle  :shock: :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on November 13, 2011, 10:49:28 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 13, 2011, 11:13:28 PM
Huh. What sort of hit dice do they get?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 13, 2011, 11:54:28 PM
:lol:

i'm always worried about something. this second, it's because he breathes too hard after exorcizing and i wonder if it's a respiratory infection.

Probably from being all excited about his new place.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 14, 2011, 08:51:25 AM
oh yeah he loves his new place.

Huh. What sort of hit dice do they get?

:hmm: we need to ask josh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 14, 2011, 09:17:35 AM
Man . . . you guys.  I don't particularly want a turtle, but I totally want to set up a habitat.  It's like Legos x 10.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 14, 2011, 09:50:54 AM
i think i might be hooked on turtles now.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on November 14, 2011, 03:58:41 PM
you know, i read too much stuff on the internet. my dog hurt her neck again. i think it's a ruptured disc. the last time this happened the vet just told my mom to keep her still until it healed. it didn't take too long, just about a week. this time she doesn't seem to be getting better that quickly. i'm afraid she might need surgery. it's not like i don't have enough shitty things going on.

so, if anyone can share this i'd really appreciate it. i've never asked for help on the internet, and it's really hard, but this is kind of important to me.

http://www.giveforward.com/crickettsback
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 14, 2011, 04:15:55 PM
:shamrock: :shamrock: :shamrock:




(Will make donation tomorrow . . . )
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 15, 2011, 09:46:20 AM
Man . . . you guys.  I don't particularly want a turtle, but I totally want to set up a habitat.  It's like Legos x 10.

I'll let you know when the front room is ready to be furnished.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on November 15, 2011, 12:20:44 PM
thanks, axe, i'm taking her to the vet on sat. i just have to manage her pain until then. the vet gave her tramadol the other day so she has that. she's walking gingerly with her back hunched and seems okay. this morning i let her out to go potty and she came back in trembling and very wobbly. i guess the stress of pushing hurt her.

i kind of freaked out yesterday doing research and seeing videos of doxies with IDVV.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 21, 2011, 10:36:20 AM
good old lemon splashing around playing



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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 21, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
I'm getting the Landscaper a Turtles: Care and Feeding book for the winter holiday. I figure he (and I) needs to know what he's getting into before he just starts buying random stuff.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 21, 2011, 01:43:05 PM
 :lol: that is fuckin awesome.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2009/04/i-like-turtles-kid.jpg)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 21, 2011, 05:35:29 PM
My subtle "party" reference over at Fbook was wasted.  Wasted!

:harumph:

This is exactly why I go too far.  :P
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 21, 2011, 05:44:34 PM
well, if my mom or someone actually got a lemonparty reference, i'd be a little... uh. disturbed.  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 21, 2011, 05:55:59 PM
That's why I kept it subtle . . . for once.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 21, 2011, 05:56:55 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 21, 2011, 10:07:38 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on November 27, 2011, 03:54:04 PM
TFJ isn't quite old enough yet to host a lemon party.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 27, 2011, 08:54:50 PM
thank god for small blessings.

speaking of lemon parties, good old lemon has not stopped begging for attention all... the live long... day...

bless his little cold cold shelled up heart.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on November 29, 2011, 06:45:24 AM
And now, on top of everything else, the goddamned aquarium pump just died.

So we are replacing Buster's water every other day with warm tap water in a pathetic bucket brigade attempt to keep the water clean until we can afford the replacement pump... whenever that will be.  :whatever:

Why does this shit keep happening?  :bummed:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on November 29, 2011, 08:13:36 AM
 :thumbsdn: :thumbsdn: :thumbsdn:

dis-fuckin-like
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 29, 2011, 01:16:11 PM
 :thumbsdn:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on November 29, 2011, 03:36:24 PM
:hug: :cry:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 29, 2011, 11:17:50 PM
I have an aquarium mothballed temporarily. What size/brand pump were you using?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 29, 2011, 11:25:02 PM
Daisy is being a pill today. They act like angels when I have guests, of course. I guess I could set up a camera and record the misdeeds, then slap it all together up on YouTube.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on November 29, 2011, 11:54:51 PM
i also have a couple in my storage unit i'd be happy to shoot out to you.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on November 30, 2011, 02:15:52 AM
the vet gave me a trial of rimadyl today. she couldn't take it before because of the previous steroidal pain killers. a couple hours after the first pill she's perked up and looks so much better (still on the tramadol and a muscle relaxant).

i'm starting to see a little bit of my little sister again. i forgot how funny she was and how happy she makes me.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on November 30, 2011, 09:00:12 AM
 :thumbsup:


My cat was about to get thrown out of the second story of this townhouse last night. She had perfect timing. Every time I would drift off she would start pawing at the closet door, or doing something else equally annoying. After about five times, I picked her up and ungraciously plopped her down in the hallway and then closed the door to my bedroom. I thought I was going to get hell for that but then she was suspiciously quiet. I guess she cooled off, I didn't hear any other part of the apartment come crashing in terror, or my roommate yelling, so I think she just chilled herself. Quite a while later I noticed she pushed the door open (it wasn't latched the whole time) and came in and settled down.

I wanted to be a dick to her this morning when she was all fuzzy and cute and sleeping, but I couldn't think of suitable retaliation. Plus, cute and fuzzy. Damn cat.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on November 30, 2011, 09:53:59 AM
My youngest cat likes to play in water.  It was cute when she was a kitten.  She'd paw at the surface of it in the water dish a little, get her paw wet, and lick it off.

Now, however, it's not so cute all grown up.  Now it's more like *SPLASH* *SPLASH* *SPLASH* *SPLASH* and when I look at the dish she's got half of it all over the floor.

I've had to take the rug away that has the water dish (and the dog's food dish) on it because it was starting to mold from being sopping wet all the time.

Now the water dish sits on an old towel.  When that towel gets sopping wet, I hang it up and swap it out with another old towel until the first one's dry.  Then they get swapped out again so the other one can dry.  Repeat.

I've gotten tired of cleaning up literally quarts of water off the kitchen floor.

So this morning, after filling the bowl (which is a big water dish designed for dogs), I went downstairs for something, came up, and discovered she'd literally gotten 3/4 of the water out of the dish and on the floor again.

As usual, I knelt down to clean it up, and she was sitting nearby watching me.

So I picked up the water dish and threw the remaining water on her (roughly a couple of pints), soaking her thoroughly.

I already had a big mess to clean up, so it wasn't that much more.  Plus, it was funny.

So that's my new policy regarding the water dish and my youngest cat.  If she likes playing in water, she can have all of it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 30, 2011, 10:19:36 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 30, 2011, 12:08:28 PM
 :lol: Sounds good to me!

Kuro liked sticking his paw in water to drink. Especially when my wife used to have an open glass of water next to her pillow. So what if he happened to knock it over? Then she'd be awake and able to pay more attention to him.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 30, 2011, 02:14:09 PM
Pets are naturals at pushing buttons.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on November 30, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
i also have a couple in my storage unit i'd be happy to shoot out to you.

I'm pretty sure keeping a couple in your storgae unit is against the law.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on November 30, 2011, 02:50:29 PM
i also have a couple in my storage unit i'd be happy to shoot out to you.

I'm pretty sure keeping a couple in your storgae unit is against the law.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 30, 2011, 02:57:49 PM
Well where the heck is he supposed to store them? They're not used up yet? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on November 30, 2011, 03:03:56 PM
I prefer the free range ones, myself.

But how do you measure these suckers? Volume over time, I guess. How do they relate to the tank size?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on November 30, 2011, 04:43:44 PM
I let the p1g5 and their personalities choose their own middle names. Lily doesn't have one yet, but we now have a Daisy Chaos up in the hizz. The bad behavior bender continues.  :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on November 30, 2011, 04:56:17 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on November 30, 2011, 06:15:48 PM
Well, animals are not like people, Mrs. Simpson. Some of them act badly because they've had a hard life, or have been mistreated. But, like people, some of them are just jerks.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on November 30, 2011, 06:31:31 PM
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvhlqr1zyh1qz7armo1_500.jpg)

We ran him until he dropped Sunday afternoon. But he only dropped for a couple minutes then he was UP and AT'EM again.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on December 01, 2011, 09:54:31 PM
Speaking of pets pushing our buttons, well, I was pushing Artemis's buttons earlier. I bought some of those dot stickers, like the ones you'd use at a yard sale or something and she was sitting there, innocently, so I peeled off a sticker and went to stick it to her nose. The evil dot kept her occupied for a good 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 01, 2011, 10:05:13 PM
Cats are never innocent.  They're either biding, indolent, or scheming.  Or, you know, asleep.  Having smugly sinister dreams.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on December 01, 2011, 10:51:26 PM
Oh I guess I meant she wasn't actively being naughty. More like, she just got comfortable and was about to take a nap on my papers (duh).

Things like this are probably the reasons why she likes to keep me up at night. Oh! The other night, she actually got banished from my bedroom. She was being a biiiitch and pawing at the (sliding) closet doors because I had the nerve to close them. Every single time I would drift off she'd make noise. So I threw her out of the room and closed the door, which doesn't latch unless I closed it. I knew she could get back in if she tried, otherwise I would have worried she'd start bugging my roommate. The cat didn't come back in the room for a while, though, so I guess it worked.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on December 13, 2011, 12:57:23 AM
I have an aquarium mothballed temporarily. What size/brand pump were you using?

i also have a couple in my storage unit i'd be happy to shoot out to you.



Thanks guys  :cry:

My brother, who works at PetSmart, called me up after my mom had told him about the pump fiasco -- about four times a year they give him a 30% off coupon that's good for a week (WTF, he only gets a 15% discount normally? Cheap bastards.)
He'd just gotten his Christmas coupon, so he offered to pick up a new pump for us and we can pay him back at a later date.  :love:

Steve's working on setting up the new pump right now.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 13, 2011, 04:35:53 AM
 :detta:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on December 13, 2011, 09:44:52 AM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on December 13, 2011, 10:36:29 AM
 :thumbsup:

speaking of turtles, good old lemon has been getting crickets to eat occasionally. it's somewhat gruesome, but he loves them. now he won't eat his vegetables though. :hmm:

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 13, 2011, 11:11:53 AM
Feed the vegetables to the crickets, and then quickly feed the crickets to the turtle.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on December 13, 2011, 02:40:29 PM
:hmm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on December 13, 2011, 03:45:23 PM
Bo peed on the bathroom mat this weekend.   :eyeroll:

Oy with the peeing already.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on December 13, 2011, 05:39:52 PM
Tunie has been for some time peeing in either of the bathroom sinks (and more recently, in the bathtub), which I assumed was in protest of the litter box not being changed on her schedule (or something).

Then she started taking a dump in the laundry room bathroom sink (where they sleep at night, because she can't behave at night and just sleep with us, unlike Pepper), presumably for the same reason.

Recently, she pooped in the bathtub. More recently, she's taken to pooping on the floor in the laundry room at night.

All this seems to coincide with the litter box being due for changing... except when I go to change it, it's not any worse than it ever has been.

She's always been an anxious cat (hence the need to be locked up at night so as not to disturb Mommy and Daddy sleeping).

Steve is utterly disgusted by this. Of course he's not the one who has to clean it up (and it's not that hard to clean up, she's doing it on bare surfaces that can be easily sanitized).

I haven't actually told him that she's been doing it more often than he realizes, because he makes such a big deal about discovering it.  :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 13, 2011, 05:48:33 PM
I wish our pets were so considerate that they pooped in the sink, instead of the laundry pile, Lilia's coat, or our bed.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 13, 2011, 05:50:01 PM
My cat was still throwing up twice a day, tiny hairballs + small amounts of liquified food.  Once while I was at work, and once between 2 and 4 AM, like clockwork.  Pretty mysterious.  Judging by her litterbox, I thought maybe it was constipation, but she'd had enough of the Hartz stuff that I was starting to worry it would contribute to malnutrition.

Through experimentation, I discovered that . . . apparently it was the Friskies Special Diet canned food.  She'd been eating less and less of it, and I wasn't sure if it was because she was learning to avoid it or because she just didn't feel like eating.  I gave her half a can of the old Fancy Feast, and she hoovered it up.  And went twelve hours without barfing.

Gave her the Friskies again, and four hours later we had the usual problem.  SO.  That seems to be it.  I don't know if they changed it, or if she changed, but she'd been happily eating that without a problem for about a year.  :shrug:

The Fancy Feast is generally higher-quality, with much more protein and actual meat in it.  It has more ash and doesn't list magnesium or phosphorous levels.  Fancy Feast used to be low-phosphorous until a couple of years ago, when Purina decided, to hell with it, consumers don't know shit.  And they changed the formula, which is when I switched to Friskies.  Fancy Feast used to be gluten-free, too.  And my cat only really likes the mushy flavors, which naturally turn out to have the most phosphorous.  I suppose I could by the non-pate flavors and run them through my blender . . . .

Some of the Science Diet foods seem to be OK, but they're pretty expensive, and the brand has gotten bad press over the last decade.  Well, we'll see.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 13, 2011, 05:51:27 PM
In my experience, you can sometimes stop a cat from going in the wrong places if you add a second litter box in a novel place.  Seems to work better if it's different from the usual one, like adding a covered box if the usual one is uncovered.

I could theorize why this seems to work, but I don't really know.  I've known it to work for . . . four different cats, I think.  And it's pretty cheap and, if you have the space, fairly easy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on December 13, 2011, 05:52:46 PM
Problem is, we don't have the space, or at least a good place to put one.  :(


I wish our pets were so considerate that they pooped in the sink, instead of the laundry pile, Lilia's coat, or our bed.

:hug:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 13, 2011, 06:23:03 PM
Eh, it's mostly our fault.  It's funny how their reactions differ, though.  If you yell, "DAMMIT, DOG!" he runs to his crate.  If you yell, "DAMMIT, CAT!" she just blinks at you insolently.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 13, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
:lol:  Cats, not alpha-driven pack animals.  They're social, but their attitude is FINE, I'll come back when you've settled your shit down.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on December 13, 2011, 07:47:17 PM
:lol:  Cats, not alpha-driven pack animals.  They're social, but their attitude is FINE, I'll come back when you've settled your shit down.

This.

Although Tricksy has caught on to the consequences of playing in the dog's water dish.

I mix it up a bit lately.  If I catch her playing in it and there's too much water in the dish to just dump on her (that dish holds a lot of water), I just give her the dunk tank treatment by dropping her into it instead.

I think she hates that even worse.  :lol:

So now, if I find the floor wet around the dog dish, and I say "WTF, who was playing in the water again!!!!???" she gets all big-eyed and bolts behind the couch or down the cat-hole into the basement or something.

So we've successfully forged an association.  Now we need to leverage that association to alter behavior.

Also, with respect to cat boxen, we have two cats and three litter boxes.  But then, we have the space for it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on December 16, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
TIL about cat spanking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Mb1d9Nu5M).

I don't have any paddles to try this out. I have a couple of paint mixing stick things, I wonder if those would work?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on December 16, 2011, 06:15:44 PM
 :uncertain:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 16, 2011, 06:47:37 PM
Oh, you know, the cat butt response.  Which is really a lower lumbar response, but that doesn't have the same ring to it.  So to speak, lipstick, yadda.

That is a robust cat right there, though.  A lot of cats would not want, uh, such strong stimulation.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 16, 2011, 07:22:57 PM
:eek:

It was rhythmic enough to make me wonder if there's a place for kitties as musical instruments
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on December 16, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
without further paws, i will now play Fur Elise

wait wait.

wifout furver PAWZ i now can haz playz Fur Elise LOL LOL
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on December 17, 2011, 02:35:36 PM
Seattle Humane is waiving adoption fees for all cats 1 year and older.  I'm so tempted...
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on December 20, 2011, 07:06:16 AM
 :hmm:

I pat my cats like that with my bare hands. I think they just really dig that kind of all-over body stimulation, like when they get the full body massage/ "scrubbing."
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on December 20, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
Girl at Lemos': So how old is your Aussie?
Me: Two
Girl at Lemos': Oh that's a great age, they're all done with the digging and the chewing and the peeing.
Me: :nonplused:
Girl at Lemos': ... so not so much with the not peeing then.
Me: Awng. Yeah. How old is your Aussie?
Girl at Lemos': 13!
Me: You mean I have to put up with over ten more years of this?!!?
Girl at Lemos': No, no. They calm down a lot. When they get to, um, ten or so.
Me: :nonplused:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 28, 2011, 11:28:08 PM
So, anyway, tonight I got around to attempting to make cat food.  I started small, unambitiously but sufficiently -- I tried modifying better-for-her cat food to a form she would eat.  Mostly, there's a small flavor issue and a bigger texture issue.  So I tried mixing two kinds in a blender.

I used a Cooks personal blender, which is a Magic Bullet-style unit.  My full-size blender would have left me trying to extract one cat of cat food from the blades at the bottom of a large glass pitcher.  Unfortunately, to get the Cooks model to blend the cat food evenly, I wound up converting it to tuna-and-chicken mousse.

My cat seemed to think it was worth eating, but I don't want her normally eating something the consistency of Kool Whip.  I'm not sure of the right solution yet.  This basically wants a small-container blender that will operate at a lower speed and not chop as finely.  The Cooks model has two blade units that, in my experience, produce pretty much identical results ( :shrug: ), and it only has one speed.

I was tempted to try putting a rheostat on the Cooks' power cord, like just cutting a dimmer switch in there and then carefully seeing if that worked.  But I think that only works with DC motors, and the Cooks has a 200W AC motor, so that plan would just make it catch fire.  Not helpful.  And I don't plan to buy a small food processor just to make cat food, but it might come to that.

Alternatively, one of those hand-powered choppers with the spring and the attached glass jar might work.  Messy, and possibly slow, but it seems possible, and those aren't too expensive.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on December 29, 2011, 12:54:14 AM
Get a big wooden or plastic bowl and a double-bladed mezzaluna.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on December 29, 2011, 10:35:13 AM
:hmm:  I considered an ulu, but this is basically a process of mixing wet cat foods together and chopping a cup of giblets into mush the consistency of half-melted sherbet.  Seems like it would take a long time by hand, but it might be worth a try.

A rolling dicer or pasta cutter might do it.  It'd make an awful mess, though.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 02, 2012, 11:04:01 PM
I made a second batch of Kat Whip pretty much the same way, partly because I was low on cat food she'd eat and partly because my cold made going to the store too aggravating.  I got it to mix better this time by repeatedly taking the cup off the blender and shaking it like mad to get the chunks off the top and down to where the blades are.

The stuff does thicken up in the freezer, more approaching the consistency of . . . peanut butter, maybe, except not so sticky.  I guess it's basically pâté.  It's not really that much softer than the Fancy Feast she likes, and she really eats this stuff like crazy, but I feel like I'm giving her elderly-cat food three to five years early.

I can't think of any reason it's actually bad for her.  It's probably better for her teeth.  I wish I knew why she won't eat chunky wet food -- she eats dry food just fine, but with wet food she'll lick all the gravy away and leave the chunks.  It's not super-rare among cats, but I don't understand it.  Then the chunks dry out, and she won't touch them.

So, anyway, this method is working fine and lets me control what she actually eats, but it's a little bit of a pain.  The cat food is just too sticky for the blender.  On the other hand, I used the same blender to make a sherbet smoothie the other night, when my throat was hurting, and it had trouble with that, too -- same problem, in that it threw half the solids to the top of the cup and churned the rest to froth. 

It's gotten great ratings (except for the fact that you only get three cups and can't get more without buying a whole new blender), but I can't figure out what people are using it for if it works great.  I can't imagine it does fruit smoothies too well if it can't blend sherbet.  :shrug:  On the other hand, you can buy one for half or less of what a Magic Bullet costs, and it gets better reviews from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 03, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
i've found a few pulses with my food processor chops things without mushing it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 03, 2012, 08:45:11 PM
I only ('only') own a handheld processor, the stick type that you insert into the container.  It tends to make a mess, but good lord is it powerful.  It's hilarious to put the chopping blade on it and go all lightsaber on some cardboard, although I probably won't do that a second time.

Can't remember if I mentioned this, but I did look at baby food processors.  Er, the kind meant for making baby food, I mean.  They're exactly the right sort of thing, but they cost far more than a cup-sized blender.

It does have to be evenly mush, or she'll leave the chunks behind.  A meat grinder with a fine setting might actually be the most apt tool for the job.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 03, 2012, 08:55:27 PM
sometimes harbor freight carries hand crank meat grinders. i bought one from some kitchen supply store and use it more than i thought i would, i think i paid $25.

i got the food processor heaped in with all my mom's kitchen stuff. i have some really swank electrical stuff from the '70s.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 03, 2012, 09:03:26 PM
We have all those attachments for the kitchenaid.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 03, 2012, 09:05:27 PM
Sweet.  And 70s kitchen finery is pretty sweet, too.

Of course, if I buy a meat grinder and it turns out to be unsuitable, I won't have much use for it, since I don't eat much meat anymore, myself.  But reselling it might be iffy.  I may try it anyway.  Raw ground beef is mushy enough, I'm sure, so the more I think about it, the more it seems like a good way to go.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 03, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
We have all those attachments for the kitchenaid.

got one of those from mom, too.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: eldiem on January 05, 2012, 05:32:34 PM
Dude like every cat i've heard of* does that to cat food with chunks and gravy. Clearly the gravy is the best part. When Artie had her esophagostomy tube, I had to puree her wet food so it would go smoothly into the tube, and I used a stick blender for that, but I can't imagine a cat with teeth enjoying eating that texture. I just try to make sure I get the pate style of canned food when i get it for her because I know she won't eat the other food (except the gravy). Damn cats.

*my cat and a former roommate's cats
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 05, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
My brother and SIL have four cats at the moment, and three of them eat the gravy-and-bits and practically the bowls as well.  The fourth one doesn't eat canned food of any kind, although he'll eat almost anything if it's from your plate.

This cat is the first one I've had who got canned food on a regular basis, so my history with that issue doesn't go back all that far. 
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on January 05, 2012, 07:49:40 PM
i've found that dachshunds eat anything. and as much of it as available.

she had weird mammal bacteria in her stool from eating feral cat poop.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 09, 2012, 11:01:56 AM
Bo has picked a new place to pee - in the corner of the bedroom, by the closet and the clothes hamper.

:nonplused:

I figured out that it's as close as he can get to wear he used to pee in the other room (where he'd still pee if we didn't keep the door closed).  I sprayed it with the stuff that's supposed to tell cats "Don't pee here", and he did it while we were in bed but after we were awake and could hear him.

I think it's a behavior thing and not a health thing, because he seems to be committed to that general area, except there were those incidents with the mats in the bathroom and by the back door.  He's never been put off by changing litter in the past and I've been making an effort to keep the box as clean as possible.

We're going to the vet to see if his kidneys have declined further.  These are the options I can see:

- Keep a towel (changed FREQUENTLY) or a litterbox in the bedroom
- Keep him locked in a closed room with his food, water, and litterbox when no one's home to watch him
  (Bathroom is very small; front room would need a door between it and the living room)
- Get a big crate to keep him in with the food, water, and litterbox
- Send him to the home - the place where Mom volunteers is a shelter where adult cats can live out their natural lives if they're never adopted.  I'm pretty sure he'd hate that.
- The Option Which Shall Not Be Named

Is there anything obvious I'm missing?  I spent part of the morning before I came to work crying and playing with him; my mind is certainly not at its objective best.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 09, 2012, 11:50:53 AM
what if  you put the litterbox where he's peeing?
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on January 09, 2012, 12:48:07 PM
Another tactic that sometimes works (with behavioral urination, not medical) is to put the cat's food dish where he's been peeing.  It can break the pattern that cats can get stuck in when they start repeat-offending in the same location.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 09, 2012, 12:48:42 PM
I don't want to confuse him (he's old) by taking the litterbox away from where it's always been; I am considering putting another box in the bedroom (even though I really don't want one there; I'll have to move it to get into one side of my closet, not to mention smell and litter scattered on the bedroom carpet).
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 09, 2012, 12:49:32 PM
Another tactic that sometimes works (with behavioral urination, not medical) is to put the cat's food dish where he's been peeing.  It can break the pattern that cats can get stuck in when they start repeat-offending in the same location.

Easy enough to try!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Sidious on January 09, 2012, 12:57:45 PM
Sometimes they just pick a different spot, but sometimes they stop entirely.

Unfortunately, I have lots and lots and lots of experience with this.   :(
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 09, 2012, 12:58:41 PM
Our peeing problem is still going on.  Argh.  We got the Feliway spray, which didn't do anything for her.  We got a pheromone collar.  Meh.  We can't even shove the kitty Prozac down her throat.  She pees on coats and clothes.  It seems like this would be an easy fix - don't put that stuff on the floor!  Easier said than done.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Talix on January 09, 2012, 01:08:19 PM
I've got the Feliway too, Feff, and I'm pretty sure Bo peed on it while it was still wet.  Bo started off as a clothes peer, and V could never manage to live without clothing on the floor, so he came with me when I moved.  He peed on a couple of things on the floor but has been really good for years. This is by far the worst he's been with me.  I don't mind working around it - he is my boy - but I don't want to drive the Landscaper crazy.  He's a dog guy, though he and Bo are in love with each other.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: the other andrea on January 13, 2012, 07:19:58 PM
A (belated) Christmas Cat story (a few details are missing, because this was related to me by my mother):

A lifelong friend of mine has a cranky male cat -- big, orange, neutered (we will call him BOC, but he is not related to the O. BOC).  He'd been acting up the week prior to Christmas, running around the house like a madman, and was constantly hungry.

This of course began to worry my friend, who made a mental note to take him to the vet the week after Christmas.

Well, on Christmas day, he came in the house with -- a kitten in his mouth. A live kitten.

So she immediately went outside to see where the kitten came from, male cat at her heels. Eventually, in some sort of outdoor hidey-hole, she found... a mom kitten with a broken leg -- and two other kittens.  One was dead, but one was alive.

So she took the mama cat and two living kittens to the emergency vet, where they were treated, and who were all doing fine, under the circumstances.

Now what is exceptional about this tale is that they noticed that the mama cat wasn't completely starving; in fact, there were dried up bits of canned cat food smeared around and on her when my friend found her -- and during the previous week, she had noticed the BOC had also, while acting as though he was starving, had canned cat food on him, around his mouth and head, and had been making a mess of his food dish as well.

These clues led her and the vet to deduce that the BOC had been bringing his food to the mama cat.

So the end story is is that the vet has a program where they split the cost of care for injured/abandoned animals with the person who brings them in, and also will help with adoption. In this case, a lady promptly adopted not only the kittens, but mama cat as well.

I told this story to Steve, who got teary eyed, as he will at these kinds of stories. I said, "See?  All cats aren't selfish."  To which he replied, "Wow, that cat almost acted like a... dog would."  :lol:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 13, 2012, 07:25:45 PM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 13, 2012, 07:29:33 PM
 :lol:

Great story :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on January 13, 2012, 07:41:31 PM
That is a great story, but I'm not really surprised.  Cats are not the selfish people they are made out to be.  They just don't care about unimportant stuff.

On another note, my lab/shepherd mix brought me a fur coat yesterday.
Well, it was somebody's hide and it was still moist but I guess it's the thought that counts. (she also brought me the head but that was a little too not attached to a live body for me.)
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on January 13, 2012, 07:47:17 PM
Sweet story, TOA. And a relatively happy ending.

If it's the thought that counts, it's a good thing MBM. But, ewwww.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 13, 2012, 10:05:02 PM
She was just trying to do her part to keep the family fed!  Unlike when cats do it.  They're more like, "Hey MORON.  Learn how to hunt already!"
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Hedaira on January 14, 2012, 05:47:49 PM
A (belated) Christmas Cat story (a few details are missing, because this was related to me by my mother):

A lifelong friend of mine has a cranky male cat -- big, orange, neutered (we will call him BOC, but he is not related to the O. BOC).  He'd been acting up the week prior to Christmas, running around the house like a madman, and was constantly hungry.

This of course began to worry my friend, who made a mental note to take him to the vet the week after Christmas.

Well, on Christmas day, he came in the house with -- a kitten in his mouth. A live kitten.

So she immediately went outside to see where the kitten came from, male cat at her heels. Eventually, in some sort of outdoor hidey-hole, she found... a mom kitten with a broken leg -- and two other kittens.  One was dead, but one was alive.

So she took the mama cat and two living kittens to the emergency vet, where they were treated, and who were all doing fine, under the circumstances.

Now what is exceptional about this tale is that they noticed that the mama cat wasn't completely starving; in fact, there were dried up bits of canned cat food smeared around and on her when my friend found her -- and during the previous week, she had noticed the BOC had also, while acting as though he was starving, had canned cat food on him, around his mouth and head, and had been making a mess of his food dish as well.

These clues led her and the vet to deduce that the BOC had been bringing his food to the mama cat.

So the end story is is that the vet has a program where they split the cost of care for injured/abandoned animals with the person who brings them in, and also will help with adoption. In this case, a lady promptly adopted not only the kittens, but mama cat as well.

I told this story to Steve, who got teary eyed, as he will at these kinds of stories. I said, "See?  All cats aren't selfish."  To which he replied, "Wow, that cat almost acted like a... dog would."  :lol:


WTF it got dusty in here all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on January 14, 2012, 10:27:19 PM
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx8se1LR5E1qz7armo1_500.jpg)

Have been doing this a lot lately. Thank Bob for happy dogs.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on January 21, 2012, 01:22:00 PM
there's a guy who works in the local pet store that is a complete Nerd. i don't know if you guys have seen a true petstore nerd, but they are a sight to behold. anyway, he never seems all too jokey or friendly and he can get kind of condescending.

lately, we've been trying to get a "plain old" plecostomus to live in our fish tank (good old lemon's old tank that now has a herd of guppies in it). the Ph is kind of unsuitable for plecos, and we've had 3 of them die (Rocky I, II, and III), but there's a "clown pleco" named Sucky that lives in there (boy this is a long setup) who seems like he's doing just fine, and, in fact, he got REAL aggressive and jealous of Rocky I, II, and Rocky III. so i mentioned that maybe the clown pleco killed Rockies I II and III and the nerd said some snotty condescending thing about how he couldn't have killed them.so i said:

well, maybe he's an EVIL clown pleco.

that got a smirk out of him

/this post brought to you by reader's digest laughter is the best medicine.

Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on January 21, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
by the way, with each Rocky, we have adjusted various aspects of the water quality. since the demise of Rocky III, now i'm taking out the gravel in phases and slowly replacing it :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 21, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
:lol: but not for the gravel-bleaching part, which is the kind of giant pain that is why I do not own fish and such.


Sheer perversity (sheer) made me google, and there are lots of people complaining their clown plecos killed their other fish, and lots of fish experts saying no, that would never happen.

:shrug:

No jury would convict them.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on January 21, 2012, 03:44:31 PM
all the world loves a clown pleco.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 21, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
That's the funniest plecostomus story I've ever read.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on January 21, 2012, 04:09:57 PM
really? i thought it sucked

 :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 21, 2012, 04:11:27 PM
Maybe I should add it's the only plecostomus story I've ever read.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on January 21, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
:hmm:

i wouldn't imagine there are a whole raft of pleco anecdoes floating around out there.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on January 21, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
Yes, but worse.


Quote
i thought it sucked

That's just how they eat.  Can't help it.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mo on January 21, 2012, 04:22:16 PM
:hmm:

i wouldn't imagine there are a whole raft of pleco anecdoes floating around out there.

Seriously though, I lol'd at the long set-up to the story. I've found myself doing that many times and sometimes end up deleting the whole thing before posting. It seems so simple before typing, but then you realize that to get the point across you have to ... wait a minute, I'm doing it now :P
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: TFJ on January 21, 2012, 04:55:58 PM
 :rollin:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: feffer on January 21, 2012, 06:06:57 PM
really? i thought it sucked

 :eyeroll:

:hisey:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on January 23, 2012, 05:27:42 PM
:galm:
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: stormneedle on February 05, 2012, 03:49:38 PM
When playing with cats, you might notice how their pupils dilate when they go into hunting mode. Pupuli was desperate for petting this morning, and after a few minutes of me petting her and her sitting on my hands, she moved off to one side.  Then she rolled on her back looking happy, and looked at me. And her eyes went full black looking at my hands.

She leapt over, barely avoiding "detecting cat-like typing", and took possession of my upper limbs for a while.

When she was done I think I got the message - it's brushing season again. My CPU fan intake is now coated with clumps of cat hair. I should take the machine apart and clean the insides, but maybe in a cleaner environment.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: pdrake on February 06, 2012, 02:05:01 AM
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Title: Re: Pets
Post by: mybabysmomma on February 06, 2012, 08:13:41 AM
What has she got?

How is her weight loss going?
It's not so good for doxie's to be fluffy.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on February 06, 2012, 08:48:50 AM
Shiny.

Looks like she's chewing on a little dragon.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: random axe on February 07, 2012, 07:47:03 PM
OK, ongoing process of finding a better way to feed my cat:

I had gotten to the point where my plan was to just buy a good steel mixing bowl and a potato masher and try hand-mixing (and grinding / gushing-up) the food.  The most robust ingredient I'm currently expecting to use, after all, is still canned meat, so how hard can it be to mush it up enough for my cat?

However.  Meijer had only utter shit for potato mashers.  Actually, this is a disturbing trend -- they frequently only have crappy kitchen accessories and semi-crappy celebrity-name ones in dayglo colors.  Even if I didn't dislike the dayglo thing, fuck Rachel Ray and Wolfgang Puck.  I don't need a celebrity's name on my shit.  It adds nothing (except maybe to the price) and will just annoy me every time I use the thing.  I've passed up buying a LOT of kitchen shit, in particular, because it had a celebrity's name attached, although frankly it's all stuff I seem able to live without, so . . . whatever.

But I can't get good kitchen stuff around here.  If I need restaurant-ish stuff, there's a GFS in an inconvenient location, or I can go to Williams Sonoma and overpay.  Or I can go online, which is not always convenient.

Anyway, what Meijer did happen to have is one of these (http://www.amazon.com/KidCo-BabySteps-Natural-Feeding-System/dp/B000XMHTJU) that had a torn box.  The ice cube tray was missing, and it was marked down to $12.  Fine.

I haven't tried it yet, but it looks likely.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: Dr. Leonard HmofCoy on February 07, 2012, 07:51:43 PM
, fuck Rachel Ray and Wolfgang Puck. 

... at the same time!
Title: Re: Pets
Post by: flipper on February 07, 2012, 08:03:09 PM
, fuck Rachel Ray and Wolfgang Puck. 

... at the same time!